Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII Read OP For Mod Warnings

CalamariFritti · 19-01-2022 03:00PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118498979#Comment_118498979

I'm amazed to see this over and over again.

Not having a go at you but even the acceptance of it as justification for anything is contradictory.

We cannot 'stamp out transmission' of covid. All the experts agree on this. We never could even when it wasn't everywhere. Now its definitely everywhere and its going to stay everywhere too.

Therefore vaccine passport for travel 'to stamp out transmission' makes no sense whatsoever.

Anyone who wants to hang onto certs wants them for a different reason. And I dont mean you, I mean Ms von der Leyen for example.

Penfailed · 19-01-2022 03:02PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118499002#Comment_118499002

That's a very long post in response to something that wasn't said. I've freely admitted when I've been wrong in the past.

Just wondering again...all those posters that were certain back in November and December that we were going into lockdown and that schools were going to be closed before or after Christmas going to admit they were wrong?

aidoh · 19-01-2022 03:10PM

Interesting that all the good news from the last few days has been from the co-teesh and not the main man himself, isn't it?

cannonballTaffyOjones · 19-01-2022 03:12PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118499456#Comment_118499456

Dont think so, was more transmissable and as severe, just looked worse as much more got it..

is_that_so · 19-01-2022 03:14PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118499743#Comment_118499743

Yes there is a rationale for their rational decisions!

Marty Bird · 19-01-2022 03:14PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118499147#Comment_118499147

I don’t think it would kill off tourism, look I don’t like it but I see the point of countries looking to protect their population that’s their right. I’m not vaccinated I had my family holiday no issues with the tests.

If that remains in the future I accept it, I accept the risks that goes with this.

growleaves · 19-01-2022 03:15PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118500008#Comment_118500008

No idea. I wasn't one of them.

is_that_so · 19-01-2022 03:20PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118500008#Comment_118500008

TBH these two years have conditioned some people and posters to think and respond in a particular way. Being wrong at times is just part of that response for all of us.

Penfailed · 19-01-2022 03:31PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118500188#Comment_118500188

True...but at least admit when you're wrong...no?

Penfailed · 19-01-2022 03:33PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118500145#Comment_118500145

True...but you think we'll only be 3/4th by late summer. I'm not sure how that's measurable.

PTH2009 · 19-01-2022 03:35PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118500092#Comment_118500092

Yep he could come out tonight or tomorrow and dash all our hopes

Will the Government tell him/them 'no thanks' if they do recommend some different then the rumours going round

is_that_so · 19-01-2022 03:37PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118500290#Comment_118500290

Hard thing to do on the Interweb when people will remind you just how wrong you were!

JRant · 19-01-2022 03:39PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118500290#Comment_118500290

I thought i was wrong once, turns out I was mistaken.

choronzonix · 19-01-2022 03:39PM

I'll happily hold up my hands and say that I thought there would be tighter restrictions imposed in early January, but I did think the schools would remain open. My rationale was that MM had put all of his credibility into the promise to keep schools from shutting again, and that we'd therefore have to endure worse restrictions (maybe the closing of hospitality for Jan or something) to 'keep the schools open'.

The pressure that the ISAG loons and and teachers unions etc were bringing to bear in early Jan made me think the government would surely buckle and close schools anyway, but they managed to 'hold firm' (lol) and resist the psychos. That was perhaps the first sign for me that they might be starting to look for an exit route from this madness, but we'll of course have to see how things pan out, especially if they're going to drag the arse out of it with a 'phased reopening' again.

In September and early October though I thought there was absolutely no way they would be ending almost all restrictions on 22nd October as they had planned, it just seemed like an absolutely bonkers thing to schedule for at the beginning of flu season.

Penfailed · 19-01-2022 03:43PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118500385#Comment_118500385

Yeah...you thought we'd be under heavy restrictions for three months. I suppose it depends on your definition of heavy...

Penfailed · 19-01-2022 03:47PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118500365#Comment_118500365

It's an anonymous forum. Like I said, I've freely admitted when I've got it wrong. Others appear reticent to do so for fear of losing internet points. It's an interesting phenomenon.

Penfailed · 19-01-2022 03:48PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118500389#Comment_118500389

Fair play!

JRant · 19-01-2022 03:50PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118500422#Comment_118500422

I also thought you had a sense of humour Pen 😄

In all seriousness, I've gotten loads of stuff wrong in this thread and others. No issue holding my hands up when I do either. Anyone that says they got everything right is talking through their hat IMO.

Most of December and all of January so far has been under heavy restrictions. So 2 out of 3 months ain't bad. Thankfully they didn't go the lockdown route or close schools.

growleaves · 19-01-2022 03:58PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118500316#Comment_118500316

It's not strictly measurable. It's my way of saying there will still be some restrictions even in summer.

Technically the plan is to remove all the restrictions at the moment including certs by end of June.

Yet Alan Kelly is already talking about another shutdown later in the year...

Why would they bother going Full 2019 if they are prepping us for another winter shutdown? You gotta use your noggin.

Red Silurian · 19-01-2022 04:01PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118498356#Comment_118498356

Not sure how you came to that conclusion but to be clear my answer is no, I don't believe the Irish Government is responsible for variants

I think they will overreact to another mild variant, again, and shut down parts of our economy if/when one is discovered

choronzonix · 19-01-2022 04:01PM

I think anyone going around claiming they were right about everything from day 1 is deluded. We're all in a constantly evolving process of guesswork based on the information we're exposed to, our own biases and what we want to believe, to a certain extent. The only people deserving of ridicule are those who still act as though it is still March 2020 and we don't know anything about this virus, or that we should completely ignore the patterns of behaviour we have seen come from NPHET and the government, which while not entirely transparent (like I said, I assumed they'd go full restriction nuclear in Jan or close the schools) can be predicted with a certain educated guess by now.

Penfailed · 19-01-2022 04:04PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118500494#Comment_118500494

Ha! I do! I actually thought I'd thanked your post as I'd sniggered when I read it. Done now 😁

cannonballTaffyOjones · 19-01-2022 04:06PM

Will there be any St Patricks day parade ?

Red Silurian · 19-01-2022 04:08PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118498952#Comment_118498952

Initially the WHO said restrictions should only be used to buy time for hospitals to bulk up their resources and not as a means of reducing case numbers. i don't know any country that followed this advice, we certainly didn't

RTE reporting Boris Johnson to go back to Plan A for England from next week, thinking I might book a Paddys day trip to London