Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

Penfailed

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118144167#Comment_118144167

There was a world of a difference. Agreed. Doesn't mean we were locked down. There was no barrier to movement. No advice to stay at home. No 2k, 5k or countywide restrictions. Therefore, by definition, we weren't locked down.

ShadowTech

So much for February being the end of the emergency powers.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40740903.html

The emergency phase is over and the government should not have a blank cheque to disrupt society going forward. It’s past time to get our democracy working as normal again. The frightening thing is, I expect this legislation to get pushed through with little more than a squeak of opposition.

is_that_so

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118142907#Comment_118142907

The trouble with a seemingly perfect plan is how the virus can wreak havoc with it. You need a plan B , C and D and if this is Plan A I dread to think what they might look like.

bear1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118144483#Comment_118144483

Well tickle me blind, they've done the unthinkable.

is_that_so

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118144571#Comment_118144571

You mean pulling all the various regulations in one place? It's called housekeeping.

Amadan Dubh

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118144587#Comment_118144587

That but also there is the possibility of extending them beyond February. We were told that in November there would be one more extension possible, but not guaranteed, to February.

Considering it hasn't even been 6 months for the majority of adults having being fully vaccinated, I'd say there's a good chance they'll look to add boosters to the covid pass from January onwards.

is_that_so

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118144666#Comment_118144666

Boosters are really an only if needed tool. While they might make a case for the over 40s, there really is none for wasting it on anyone younger. If cases fall away enough they may not move below 60.

Elmer Blooker

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118144571#Comment_118144571

Oh dear, the ‘conspiracy theorists’ have got it right ...... AGAIN.

ShadowTech

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118144587#Comment_118144587

It’s not housekeeping, it’s extending powers that give the government the power to do everything from micromanage your social interactions to shutting down all of society with little to no oversight from the legislature. This was arguably acceptable when everything was chaos with no tools at our disposal and we had no idea what to expect. It’ll be 2 years by February with a highly vaccinated population and a booster program for the at-risk fully rolled out. There’s no justification for this kind of power to be left in the hands of anyone. If the situation takes a seriously bad turn then the Oireachtas can vote to install emergency legislation again if/when needed.

bear1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118144587#Comment_118144587

Is it? So the other day the extended their powers beyond 9/11 until 9/2 and now they're pushing to have it moved passed February?

Based on what?

mikekerry

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118144666#Comment_118144666

There is no possibility about it. They will be extending them in february.

Vax passees are here to stay, look at other countries like israel and france you need boosters to keep covid pass up to date.

They have bought over 20 milliopn boosters they they need to coerce people to take them and vax passes are the way to do it.

They never planned to drop them. They lied and lied again and they will lie again.

is_that_so

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118144692#Comment_118144692

I see no great issue with it TBH. How long is irrelevant in terms of pandemic and three months is a very long period in COVID times. The MHQ was shut down overnight when it was no longer needed. That is the Martin argument. The Dail will pass it as there is still a very sizeable minority of the population who will continue to back these types of things on health grounds.

bucketybuck

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118144684#Comment_118144684

You can only laugh at the comical Ali's in here who keep getting shown up time and again by these things, any rational person would realise that they were being made a fool of but instead they have to keep toeing the party line. Over the next few months you will see more examples of this and still they will shout "conspiracy theory" and "nothing to see here", as if they haven't been proven wrong dozens of times already.

The worrying part is that it must be reflective of society in general, that there are a lot of people who not only don't see that the emperor has no clothes, but have decided that they are going to defend the emperor at all times. And thats exactly how a country arrives to a point where a demonstrably incompetent government can introduce unprecedented civil restrictions with barely a peep of opposition.

This whole country is a case study of gaslighting. Of course predictably, the gaslighters will say it isn't happening...

is_that_so

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118144736#Comment_118144736

Uncertainty as to where this disease is going and what will happen over the next three months. Boosters should address hospitalisations but there is no clear trend on that just yet although the CMO has talked about signs of decrease. They are operating on the basis that it's better to have it to hand.

ShadowTech

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118144749#Comment_118144749

Passing legislation that gives a government this much power should require a clear justification. The fact that we can’t see the future and the mentality of “just in case” isn’t good enough and very few would have accepted that kind of reasoning pre-covid. The onus is on the government to prove they need this power to perform urgent tasks as part of their jobs not on the public to trust that they’ll use largely unregulated power wisely.

I see it at home with my mother.government knows best and stop talking down Tony and the rest.case highlighted on local radio about how an elderly woman died cause an ambulance was called away from her to go to another call in another county for an emergency situation.the other emergency didn’t turn out to be an emergency after all.

when I said that the whole covid thing now is being used to disguise the **** hole the hse is u are basically shouted down and u don’t know what ur talking about.

we deserve everything that is happening to us as a country and nothing is going to change.welcome to Ireland 2021.

is_that_so

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118144810#Comment_118144810

Well, we have it extended until Feb 9 anyway and it does make sense to have it all in one place, probably as part of the Health Act. There are parts of that we never use either but they are still in it for very specific circumstances. We really need to see what's in the bill first.

facehugger99

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118144483#Comment_118144483

The price of liberty is eternal vigilance.

Unfortunately the Irish people and the cowards we elect to lead us have demonstrated we would gladly trade away almost any civil liberty if the man on the telly tells us it will makes us safe.

I've never been ashamed to be Irish prior to Covid but the last 20 months have been a truly shameful experience.

is_that_so

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118144845#Comment_118144845

It's been pretty much all of the Dail, not just the government, who have been on board with measures.

Parachutes

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118143592#Comment_118143592

You’re wasting your time. This was the lad who said you aren’t restricted unless you did the restricted thing.

Russman

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118144864#Comment_118144864

Pretty much all of the western world too have adopted much the same approach, bar a few outliers.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118144864#Comment_118144864

And that's the problem. There's no difference between the parties. They're identical.

Russman

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118144964#Comment_118144964

Any chance its not the parties that are wrong ?

Penfailed

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118144935#Comment_118144935

Either stop repeating this falsehood or show evidence. I've asked you to do so previously. You haven't to date.

What's your definition of lockdown by the way? Clue - we weren't locked down in the summer.

CalamariFritti

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118143322#Comment_118143322

Where is this information that it was 0.2% pre vaccine?

https://www.who.int/bulletin/online_first/BLT.20.265892.pdf

https://apps.who.int/iris/handle/10665/340124

And if that is the IFR why have 0.4% of the total population of Bulgaria died from it already with a continuing high death rate?

I'd say its because its not the same in every country. The way its being counted is not even the same in every country. Also in bold... really?

I love the way you guys keep making **** up and back slapping each other about it

no comment

Fact of the matter is all that debate that was had last year about testing methods and definitions of covid infections & deaths and IFR and risk assessment etc. has not gone away. At all. These points are still as valid as they ever were. With people fully vaccinated and the risk mitigated to an unknown but significant degree these points are even more relevant than they ever were.

No screams of Bulgaria and accusations of making sh1t up will change that.

watchingfromafar

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118144682#Comment_118144682

So when they then lower the age for boosters to include your cohort, what will be your argument as to why you agree, because its clearly evident that you see no issue with the extension of powers.

2 jabs and we are free lads...okay boosters for the very old! then we are free...okay okay now 65+ if in care homes...oh no wait things are changing best we get the 40+ boosters done.

How are you linking the need booster jabs to cases? We know cases are going to peak sometime in January before the curl over and drop regardless of vaccines.

Clearly transmission isn't being effected enough by the jabs.

At no point will you ever disagree with these passes. That much is obvious.

MOH

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118144587#Comment_118144587

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118144749#Comment_118144749

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118144767#Comment_118144767

When they finally decided they needed mandatory hotel quarantine (after blaming the world and it's dog up until then) it took them about 3 months to implement it as they needed time to investigate the legal implications. Despite the fact it had been mooted as a possibility at least 6 months beforehand.

When they decided they weren't lifting all the restrictions on nightclubs they spent all week cobbling something half-assed together and announced it on the night places were reopening.

When nursing homes wanted to restrict visits how long did it take for Holohan to stop telling people they were wrong?

When anything practical needs to be done, which was a reasonable possibility of being needed, there's zero plan, zero forethought, zero competence.

Yet when they want sweeping emergency powers "just in case", they do it months in advance. Not sure how you don't have a problem with that.

astrofool

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118145000#Comment_118145000

Some people equate any restrictions with lockdown, they've been locked down from driving their car for years because they refuse to show their license.

CalamariFritti

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118143547#Comment_118143547

Desktop, yes. Its the only tolerable way of using boards. I haven't tried phone in a while, maybe it got better.

astrofool

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118145214#Comment_118145214

I mean, it's almost as if a global pandemic is an evolving situation that requires plans to change.

Yes that isn't fair on those who want things to be "done", but that's life.

Comparisons with times of genocide and dictators from history is pretty disrespectful to the people who lived and died during those times.