Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII Read OP For Mod Warnings

13-10-2021 12:54pm

It will be a tough sell for the public health authorities and the govt to suggest that even with 90% plus of the population fully vaccinated, and that 70% of ICU admissions are unvaccinated, that the country can’t proceed with the remaining lifting of covid restrictions next Friday.

The leak re this meeting that Fergal Bowers that suggests the negative mood music with NPHET, DOH and the HSE was deeply unhelpful for the nightclub and entertainment industry who for some if the 22nd October date of reopening doesn’t proceed, could mean that they cease trading. The leak culture in this country has to STOP ASAP.

the govt are afraid to upset and undermine Dr Tony and NPHET after the Christmas debacle of last year. They clearly don’t want a repeat of this whole “meaningful Christmas” nonsense that had devastating consequences for many families losing their loved ones and led to many getting very sick.

I don’t go to nightclubs, but know that they are an important fabric of local society. Failure to reopen on next Friday will be the final nail in the coffin which would have devastating consequences for rural and local economies.

what happens will happen I suppose. But hopes that we will see 50,000 for Ireland v Portugal and bustling city centres come next month are rapidly fading. It’s a failure on our public health representatives and politicians that we continue to see the continuation of the same issues blighting the health system. It’s completely unacceptable.

nakom · 13-10-2021 1:01pm

and that 70% of ICU admissions are unvaccinated

is there any data backing up this?

bear1 · 13-10-2021 1:04pm

I'd love to hear the rationale for keep restrictions in place post 22..

I suspect this is simply the media doing what the media does best.. talk utter shite.

But if they do indeed keep restrictions in place or even partly then I simply couldn't fathom the reasons they'd potentially give.

As I said, docile population so I'd suspect no reaction to it.

SEPT 23 1989 · 13-10-2021 1:05pm

The back peddling has started

Hector Savage · 13-10-2021 1:09pm

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/1013/1253440-covid-19-ireland/

Ah yes !! they will be delighted with this ... absolutely delighted!!!

13-10-2021 1:10pm

Conspiracy theorists incoming to tell us about how all this was predicted...

Deeper Blue · 13-10-2021 1:10pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118013441#Comment_118013441

There's no reasoning except that they have to be seen to be doing something, even if it's of no benefit. Just another example of covid theatre

breadmond · 13-10-2021 1:11pm

I knew this would happen. They were just waiting on an excuse. They claim that we have just enough vaccine protection for our current level of restrictions bit how the hell could we have any higher proportion of people vaccinated?

Hector Savage · 13-10-2021 1:11pm

Just listening to the RTE news here ...

"ireland is on a tightrope , with barely the right amount of vaccines available to keep things open as they are now"

:D Talk about gaslighting !!!

yeah 90%+ vaccinated, yeah a tightrope .... and I see the "concern" is returning ... I wonder what the adherents to the church of covid will say when they do a U turn on the October 22 lifting of restrictions ...

Hector Savage · 13-10-2021 1:15pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118013566#Comment_118013566

Conspiracy theorists!!! would you go away ourra da!!!

They have been constantly backpeddling since March 2020 and "15 days to flatten the curve" ...

Hector Savage · 13-10-2021 1:15pm

Bryan Dobson on RTE news just short of **** on air ...

bucketybuck · 13-10-2021 1:15pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118013537#Comment_118013537

The rationale for restrictions in the future will always be the same rationale that applied for them in the first place: to protect the health service.

If the health service is about to collapse then what do you do? That was the question asked in 2020, I have yet to see one reason why it no longer applies?

And remember, the key point is the collapse itself, not what caused it.

charlie14 · 13-10-2021 1:15pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118011988#Comment_118011988

Those opposed to lockdown, or as far as I could tell any restrictions were telling us that lockdown and restrictions would have such ruinous effect on our economy we would never recover. Yet for 2021 Corporation Tax revenue rose by 8% to a record 13.5 Billion, Income Tax by 3.3 Billion and V.A.T. by 1 Billion with our GDP predicted to grow by 15.6% next year. Their budget deficit predictions were well wide of the mark as well.

I don`t see anything much in this budget of increased taxes due to the governments Covid actions. Far as I can see they are for climate change measures.

Allinall · 13-10-2021 1:17pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118013570#Comment_118013570

Nothing has happened.

13-10-2021 1:20pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118013537#Comment_118013537

Hiding it amidst the budget news does not strike me as a media tactic of spreading fear.

Joebobs · 13-10-2021 1:28pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118013567#Comment_118013567

im concerned about being in an office where people are not wearing a mask(during the day), thanks for reply. i guess i can drink my Tea through a straw..and eat my lunch outside

Hector Savage · 13-10-2021 1:30pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118013596#Comment_118013596

Riiight and when Ireland's health service was/will be on the brink every flu season because it's such a pox health service - was there lockdowns pre 2020???

Deeper Blue · 13-10-2021 1:32pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118013675#Comment_118013675

Unless you're severly immunocompromised I honestly don't think you have anything to worry about. Best of luck

JoChervil · 13-10-2021 1:36pm

I still think returning to the office should be on voluntary basis counting on each employe personal responsibility. Each person knows the best their circumstances like situation at home, their health, vaccination status, way of commuting, which an employer can't asses. I think it should stay that way till March, which would let us get through winter and sneezing time...

lawred2 · 13-10-2021 1:38pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118013574#Comment_118013574

Barely the right amount of vaccines available to keep things open as they are..

Urm what does that even mean? Vaccines aren't like Calpol.. you get vaccinated, you move on.

lawred2 · 13-10-2021 1:39pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118013675#Comment_118013675

Maybe you should

Or stay at home

bloopy · 13-10-2021 1:44pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118013742#Comment_118013742

There an interesting emphasis on existing vaccine waning in the piece on radio one. Is it possible that it is not about stopping the reopening but more to do with softening people up for boosters for all?

SupplyandDemandZone · 13-10-2021 1:45pm

The big fear for the government is getting this wrong and seeing a huge spike in the lead up to Xmas forcing their hand into rolling way back on opening up. For all our mental health's sake i don't think we can take another lockdown of any sort as a nation. I know personally i'll struggle big time if that happens.

The last few months should have been spent massively increasing our hospital capacity to handle any surge so we can remain open.

Hector Savage · 13-10-2021 1:46pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118013742#Comment_118013742

It's just to set the precedent, and they can say "See !! if we were 95% covered we would have been able to lift restrictions !! - but because of naughty naught 'anti vaxxers' we'll need to reintroduce them"

I expect them to come out with the "save christmas" tripe too ...

bucketybuck · 13-10-2021 1:48pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118013690#Comment_118013690

No, there were not lockdowns to protect the health service before 2020.

In 2020, there were lockdowns to protect the health service.

So which is it going to be in the future?

And to avoid the usual blather, no I would not lockdown or have any restrictions. But this isn't about me, it is about what the people who were in charge in 2020 are going to do next.

Hector Savage · 13-10-2021 1:52pm

Other countries around Europe are admitting that even if there are more waves the health services can deal with it at this stage with pretty much 100% of elderly/vulnerable covered + 85-90% of the rest of the adults.

Denmark have had cases rising now for weeks, don't think they will be rolling back will they ?

is_that_so · 13-10-2021 1:55pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118013791#Comment_118013791

That's likely to come from those people who are still unvaccinated and Delta is quickly running through all of those! By Christmas we should have all of these groups currently being offered a third shot, done. It's not a major fear but some restrictions could come back in that scenario.