Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117809798#Comment_117809798

The report said worst case scenario not reasonable case. Nowhere does it say it will go to zero at 12 months or any stage.

Furiously spinning to avoid admitting you were wrong.

The more that you read about respiratory viruses and the immune system the more it makes sense. Antibodies are created following exposure to the virus/ vaccine, and in the short term these are readily available to react to exposure to the virus. The immune system however does not maintain a large store of every single antibody produced in perpetuity. Instead they are kind of held in reserve ready to react when next exposed to the pathogen. This is where the respiratory viruses method of infection comes in. They initially infect the nasal passage and upper airways. Immune response in this area is slower. Why? Because if a full immune response was mounted every time a foreign substance was detected in the airway it would inhibit our ability to live a normal life (hay fever is one such example of over active immune response). Respiratory viruses exploit this by replicating initially in the upper airway before the immune system can react. When antibodies, either natural or vaccine derived, wane over time, this allow the virus to get a foothold and infection to occur prior to the body mounting a response. The immune system eventually catches up and significantly reduces severity, for the vast majority at least, however breakthroughs are to be expected. The current variant is so transmissible that it will likely keep infecting us over and over, topping up immunity and resulting in mild illness at worst for most. The vulnerable with weaker immune system will need boosters, just like with the flu

astrofool

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117810255#Comment_117810255

You need to stop browsing the american sites, the vaccines are approved in Europe.

But that won't matter, you'll want super duper approval and then it would be another excuse.

But I would say, get off the Facebook and twitter sites for your vaccine information, read the studies, some have good results for vaccines, some have worrying results for long term efficacy, but at least it would be based off real data and stop coming out with naïve statements like "Heading below 50% toward zero over time", if something drops from 99 to 98, it's "heading below 50%".

charlie14

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117806165#Comment_117806165

Unless my memory is shot to hell or there is some form of public transport out there I have not yet used, I wouldn`t see wearing a face mask, as the man said as good manners, as some great impingement to the freedoms I had on public transport prior to this. If it is a help to those unable to avail of a vaccine I imagine it would also lower the number of influenza cases so all the better. Not just for the benefit of the health system, when you consider the pandemonium with hospital yearly due to influenza, but also for the economy by cutting back on working hours lost. Something I would have thought would be a consideration for all those that have questioned how we are going to pay for the hit to our economy because of this pandemic.

godzilla1989

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117810359#Comment_117810359

Where are the antibodies held in reserve?

Can we test that reserve?

DarkJager21

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117810447#Comment_117810447

In your scenario above you will never get rid of face masks.

To help those unable to avail of the vaccine? Personal responsibility required. If you aren't vaccinated, wear a mask yourself and avoid busy shops. Simple.

To protect the health service? We've been there and done that - and we've been told repeatedly that they are upgrading it and increasing capacity etc etc. If they haven't done that in the 17 months they've had, I'm afraid it's sink or swim time.

Don't Chute!

Pat Kenny had his most poutiest face on this morning when talking about the GAA match at the weekend. When talking about how nobody was wearing masks he said he was reminded of WB Yeats when he said “ you have disgraced yourselves again…” This is how the elite see us in this country, as absolute peasants. I wonder had it been the rugby or golf set would he have been so sanctimonious?

bucketybuck

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117810305#Comment_117810305

Or would prefer not to have a fixed target that they need to adhere to...

bear1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117810628#Comment_117810628

He's an overpaid insufferable idiot.

Ah_well.

i would hope there would be some more easing of restrictions before that 90% threshold is hit in late September. Denmark dropping all restrictions on September 10th. We are hardly going to stay at current restriction levels for another 6 weeks . Ok there’s not going to be a full reopening but there will have to be some restrictions eased .

charlie14

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117806306#Comment_117806306

With public transport going back to full capacity then in reality the only restriction that will remain is face masks on public transport. And even with that nobody can claim with any degree of certainty it will last indefinitely. What has ever been "natural" about public transport ? You are on a journey with people you have not a clue about, where finding a seat is a lottery, you are crammed in a space with some whose personal hygiene is often questionable, and where even at best schedules are often erratic.

Personally I have never had any great difficulty communicating with others due to face masks, and without social distancing then I imagine it would be even less of a problem. I haven`t seen anywhere it has been highlighted as a problem in live or death situations such as operating theaters either.

I would not lose too much sleep over this new world order cabal. If the best they can come up with for world-wide totalitarian rule if face-masks then they do not strike me as the sharpest knives in the drawer. I would have been more impressed with the micro-chips in the vaccines, but then the divorce of Bill and Melinda Gates may have screwed that up with Melinda looking for her share of the assets.

godzilla1989

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117810628#Comment_117810628

Can employers not enforce a mandatory retirement age? He's 73 now, about time he retired.

We can mandate an emergency use vaccine on certain staff, but we can't mandate a retirement age for an old person, woke world is so ****.

astrofool

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117810761#Comment_117810761

I don't think there's anything "woke" about mandating a vaccine on certain staff? Is this the new buzzword people are trying to use now when something frightens them?

bucketybuck

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117810742#Comment_117810742

What about the imposed curfew in bars and restaurants? The attendance limits for events? The refusal to grant licenses for events due to legislation? The 190000 people still out of work due to the restrictions?

Just face masks on public transport? Amazing.

astrofool

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117810894#Comment_117810894

The EMA has issued Conditional Marketing Approval, as is usual for new medicines approved by the EMA.

Are you refuting the effects the vaccinations have had on hospital admissions and death count? Do you need to see the graphs again?

Interesting that you're following Tim Spector, in a country that did use emergency approval for the vaccines, were they wrong? Should the UK have waited 6 months and then gone with full approval from the beginning of a highly delayed rollout?

What difference has the full FDA approval made?

Red Silurian

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117810628#Comment_117810628

Golf spectators don't tend to be sitting in stadiums quite like other sports, not sure why he wouldn't if it was a rugby match

Red Silurian

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117811055#Comment_117811055

You do realise that it's people like you who are keeping our restrictions intact? I find it ironic that you complain about restrictions but are unwilling to trust vaccines in the same post

ElTel

Is it too much to expect Antigen testing to play a major part in the new roadmap?

Viral loads are 1000 times higher with Delta (from average CT values of positive PCR tests) so the antigen tests should perform better?

Red Silurian

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117811181#Comment_117811181

More vaccines means more ability to reopen, unless you've been asleep for the last year and a half you should know this

So because Pfizer have a history of fraud you don't want to take a vaccine developed by Biontech or Moderna? Smart...

godzilla1989

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117811247#Comment_117811247

Do you watch any news yourself Red Silurian?

Scotland and Israel are as good as back into lockdown with 80%+ adults vaccinated

Time to wake up buddy

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-scotland-records-highest-ever-daily-coronavirus-cases-but-no-circuit-breaker-lockdown-planned-12392058

https://inews.co.uk/opinion/israel-covid-guinea-pigs-restrictions-make-plans-advance-1162947

Deeper Blue

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117811366#Comment_117811366

It literally says in the headline that Scotland aren't going back into lockdown...

darconio

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117811087#Comment_117811087

How exactly is that? Are you telling me that you believe in the bs that we need to vaccinate our children otherwise they will generate a new strain that will be deadly for the people that are already vaccinated? On the contrary it's because people are afraid and constantly need to be told what to do that we'll never get out of this mess: wear your mask ...yes sir, get your 3rd jab...yes sir, get your green pass... yes sir, and on and on and on. Thank god it was us talking about CT here...

godzilla1989

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117811397#Comment_117811397

Down a few lines it says "can't rule anything out" It's a seed to get us talking about it, like we are now

Unless you've been asleep these last 20 months Deeper Blue, you should know by now that when stuff like that gets out to the media it invariably unfolds

"Nicola Sturgeon said schools going back has increased interactions and said she could not rule "anything" out when it comes to re-imposing rules during the pandemic"

Deeper Blue

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117811460#Comment_117811460

The last 20 months we didn't have 85% of the population vaccinated though.

Can't see any more lockdowns myself, I don't think people would stand for it and why should they since everyone has been vaccinated?

The virus is no longer a significant threat to the vast vast majority.

bear1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117811460#Comment_117811460

You said:

Quote "Scotland and Israel are as good as back into lockdown with 80%+ adults vaccinated" Unquote.

The article shows that's not entirely the case... so how are you coming to the conclusion?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117810628#Comment_117810628

Pat had no problem with a full old Trafford though and no bloody masks.too much time on his hands to lodge planning objections

godzilla1989

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117811474#Comment_117811474

2% of all cases are ending up in hospital here, it's still a big threat to hospital capacity

You think they won't happen, I think they will

We will see who's right this winter

charlie14

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117810922#Comment_117810922

As public transport looks highly likely to go to full capacity then social distancing is effectively gone so I do not see where wearing a face mask if required would stop anyone from going back to work.

You may not have noticed, but attendance limits for events have been increasing. 40,000 for Croke Park last weekend. As to why some would wish to have a meal in a restaurant after 11.30 pm I have no idea. If people normally have a meal after that time then they must have one hell of a digestive system. As to pubs I have found that between 10.30 am and 11.30 pm I can get enough alcohol into my system. Saying that, like attendance numbers, for both they are not closing times that I believe will stay as such. Like others have posted, I`m not that sure the present furore of granting Public Picnic a licence is all down to the government. From snippets I have heard from local councillors and locals who is hiding behind who using legislation is open to question.

Deeper Blue

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117811539#Comment_117811539

And if it does happen I'm sure you'll be back to tell us all how right you were! G'luck

godzilla1989

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117811588#Comment_117811588

I will quote you on it, don't worry

If I am wrong and hope I am, I will apologise and your free to call me a moron, which I am.

charlie14

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117810780#Comment_117810780

Then Professor Spector made a major jump that the data does not support. Winter is 3 months away and the efficacy from the data is 74% having dropped just 14% in 5 months.

I don`t know what you believe he implied has to do with here and vaccine resources. Far as I can see we presently have enough vaccines to give to anyone that wants one and we have more than enough boosters shots on order to cover all front line staff and the vulnerable. Unless by chance it is just an attempt at giving the authorities a kicking for ordering booster shots when other countries are not at our vaccination levels. I would find it rather strange if that is what you are attempting seeing as just a short time ago they were getting a kicking for not going out and getting into a bidding war to get their hands on more vaccines.

Seeing as you are now quoting U.S. presidents here`s one for you.

"Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and to remove all doubt."

Abraham Lincoln