Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

prunudo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117661918#Comment_117661918

The rules have essentially been drummed up to prevent groups of young unvaccinated people going to the pub. The cmo has made it as difficult as possible for people to go on the piss.

A bar man bending to rules to accommodate an older person going for one or two pints won't be punished by the authorities.

timmyntc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117662046#Comment_117662046

Yep - the unvaccinated will have to sit at outside tables, or just drink at each others houses instead!

Another great success for the governments pandemic management. Instead of putting testing in place for entry (and catching so many more cases), you force people out of a safe socialising environment and they mix in a much riskier one.

is_that_so

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117661944#Comment_117661944

Was chatting to a publican last week and he was concerned about how to deal with his regulars. He certainly didn't seem keen to push the rules completely.

HerrKapitan

Allowing regulars in without being asked for certs wont last long.

The bar will get reported in no time once other customers catch on.

prunudo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117662265#Comment_117662265

Why though, if its a small pub, you know your clientele by name, is the barman expected to ask for the cert everytime they enter the premises. It won't happen.

And the people who might report them need to mind their own business.

harr

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117662265#Comment_117662265

That won’t happen in small county pubs maybe at weekends when a bit busier they might . Pubs are closed long enough and no regular is going to be reporting their local .

I am sure the Owners have the cop on to check anyone he/she doesn’t know or recognise.

Graham

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117662265#Comment_117662265

There's bound to be a few establishments that try and skirt around the new rules, anybody that thinks otherwise is just kidding themselves.

At the same time most establishments will implement them and comply with them, all be it maybe grudgingly.

I'm just pleased to see another element of the restrictions being relaxed in a relatively measured way. I know limiting indoor hospitality to vaccinated customers isn't ideal but there's no denying it's a big improvement from where we were yesterday.

Best of luck to all the businesses reopening today and their staff.

charlie14

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117661559#Comment_117661559

Not that we have a lot in common with Sweden, but compared to them per head of population they have to date had 44% more Covid deaths, twice as many infected and their excess deaths for 2020 at 9,175 were 10.34% higher than 2019.

They are the elephant in the room though when compared to their Nordic neighbours who used lockdown. Making adjustment for population size. Sweden`s 14,413 Covid deaths are almost 10 times greater than those of Norway (799 deaths), over 3 times greater than Denmark (2542 deaths) and over 8 times greater than Finland (978 deaths).

charlie14

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117661944#Comment_117661944

I remember the same being said about the smoking ban as regards rural pubs and a few elderly regulars. An Garda Siochana weren`t enforcing that either, but a few visits by the health authority put an end to that idea.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117662333#Comment_117662333

I used Sweden as an example because it is the one most people think of in Europe in terms of very few restrictions. I was referring specifically to it being possible to eat indoors in Sweden for over year, but somehow impossible to eat indoors in Ireland until now, and even then only with a vaccine passport. Why has it been possible to eat indoors for over a year in Norway, Finland, Australia and New Zealand for over a year, but impossible to do the same thing in Ireland?

Don't Chute!

Mark Cagney whimpering on Newstalk this morning about how he won’t be dining indoors for the foreseeable future because of “The Risk”(TM) Ciara Kelly in fairness called him on it saying vaccines give almost 100% protection from serious illness and death and if that’s not enough to open things up then we should just write of the rest of our lives. He was also saying he’s been curtain twitching at young people at the shop beside his house saying they are “cheek by jowl only putting masks on going into the shop and whipping them off as soon as they get out”. Ciara again asks him so what!? They are outside!

I wonder do people realize that just because places are opening up, it doesn’t mean they HAVE to go to them? Don’t want to go? Stay at home. We really have become a nation of simpletons who need to be told what to do and when to do it.

josip

Now that all the vulnerable are fully vaccinated and ICU numbers have been stable at ~20 for weeks, when will the HSE allow visitors into hospitals?

A terminally ill relative has been given 3 more months, but can't yet see any of her family.

All they can do is wave through the window, it's very sad.

At what stage do hospitals decide that the end of life phase has been reached?

Quags

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117662590#Comment_117662590

This is exactly all down to the reports from the media & NPHET. People are now waiting on guidance from a CMO who thinks he controls the country and can play with everyone no matter what the outcome is as long as it doesn't affect him.

Floppybits

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117662649#Comment_117662649

100% agree. The CMO has now turned into an Arch bishop McQuaid type character were what ever he says go whether he is right or wrong. I see Leo Varadkar calling on the HSE to get better data on patients with Covid in hospital, why was this not done from the start?

https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/1419586108812402692

Nozebleed

i dropped into the local pub at this morning. there was 6 lads already there.. all of whom are 50-75 years of age. it would be fair to say they're alcoholics. what makes me laugh is of the 6 lads 3 were drink driving with their cars parked in the private pub car park,and this would be known to the staff.

the staff were all over the vaccine cert & ID situation some of the lads even handed over their driving licences along with the cert in order to get in for a pint.

So the staff are perfectly happy to serve alcohol to those patrons who are drink driving. yet if someone unvaccinated perfectly healthy was to walk in without a piece of paper they would be turned away under health regulations.

lukas8888

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117662333#Comment_117662333

When your finished cherry picking,why not compare Sweden with Belgium,Spain ,Italy, UK, for balance.

norma foley says secondary students will need to wear masks all day in school. This is to stop the spread and yet GOVT say they can attend dinner with their folks? is that correct or am I missing something?

Graham

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117662824#Comment_117662824

You don't think the most similar and neighbouring countries are a more appropriate comparator?

Not that it really matters to be honest. That debate has been done to death and nobody here is really daft enough to think we're going to start time travelling to implement the Swedish model. That horse hasn't just bolted, it's off relaxing in an equine retirement home munching on rich green pasture.

Relax brah

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117661805#Comment_117661805

most pubs/restaurants have done well with the decent weather - many aren’t reopening indoors because they simply don’t have to

Graham

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117662816#Comment_117662816

Newsflash.

They're not. As evidenced by our uptake rates.

is_that_so

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117662869#Comment_117662869

This advice for schools hasn't changed yet so her comments are really not that outrageous.

average_runner

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117662900#Comment_117662900

I know of a pub in West Dublin that is making more money now with their outdoor area compare to their indoor area before covid! 10k or more per week!!!

mcsean2163

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117661573#Comment_117661573

Norway and Finland had less restrictions than Sweden according to Oxford....

Relax brah

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117662919#Comment_117662919

Yep. Ask people working in Diageo, they are selling just as much booze to pubs as they were before lockdown.

Take the media and publication complaints with a pinch of salt.

bucketybuck

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117662919#Comment_117662919

Aren't anecdotes like this not more to do with the fact that a lot of the competition is closed?

When the weather turns and all the other pubs are open lets see how they are doing. But it doesn't mean very much that a place with an outdoor area is doing well in a heatwave while a lot of other pubs are closed.

giveitholly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117662919#Comment_117662919

With the weather changing that won't last long

There was over a thousand people marching in Dublin last weekend against various covid related restrictions and procedures. Where was this organised?

Penfailed

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117663001#Comment_117663001

You're a bit light with the numbers there. It was organised online.

Hurrache

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117663001#Comment_117663001

Cloud cuckoo land.

Many of the same dumb **** even chanted that Michael D Higgins was a paedophile, at the behest of that fuckwit Ben Gilroy.

gmisk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117662952#Comment_117662952

Plenty of other studies say the exact opposite.....sure throw up your link to the Oxford study.

https://bmcpublichealth.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12889-020-09615-3

The damning statement in the below for me.

"If Norway had followed the Swedish model, the country would, at the peak, have had more than three times as many COVID19-patients in hospitals, and more than 2,5 times as many deaths, according to NHH-researchers"

https://partner.sciencenorway.no/epidemic-health-healthcare/comparing-norway-and-sweden-norwegian-coronavirus-measures-reduced-hospitalizations-drastically/1701510