Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII Read OP For Mod Warnings

Backstreet Moyes · 19-08-2021 10:47am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117774937#Comment_117774937

We need well educated kids coming into the workforce to pay off all this debt.

We can open up everything like other countries only for our health care system.

The people overseeing this pandemic are the same experts that have overseen one of the worst mismanaged healthcare systems in Europe despite being giving billions to run it.

Lockdowns and restrictions help ease the pressure on the health care system that Nphet have overseen.

You can have people say nobody wants restrictions but it certainly helps ease pressure on the people who are advising the government the longer we enforce restrictions.

is_that_so · 19-08-2021 10:49am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117774908#Comment_117774908

That's a rinse and repeat report from last September, with the only difference being that 3rd level are now in the mix. Why are people so surprised that this is still a priority?

19-08-2021 10:57am

another example here of how CELEBS get round quarantine.. so you can imagine what the politicians are like on their cosy little "we are the world" junkets.

That would make me sick If I lived there... while they strangle hold their own tax paying citizens.

Hong Kong acknowledges quarantine exemption as Nicole Kidman films TV series (msn.com)

Penfailed · 19-08-2021 11:00am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117774749#Comment_117774749

There's a lot to get through with this post. I'll try though. I'll take it paragraph by paragraph for ease of understanding.

I'm not trying to deny we have restrictions in Ireland.

I'm not currently trying to defend the restrictions and NPHET. I have done at different stages throughout the whole thing but I currently think restrictions are too tight. I also thought they were too restrictive last summer.

Regarding the paragraph about heading north, unvaccinated and hugging people - I wasn't bragging. I didn't hug anyone that didn't already know my vaccine status. I only had Covid a month ago so I've less chance of potentially infecting someone than someone who has been vaccinated.

I don't constantly defend NPHET and have been critical of them at various stages throughout the pandemic.

I'm not all over the place but because you have formed an opinion of me it has coloured your perception of my postings.

zebastein · 19-08-2021 11:02am

The best that can happen now would be to see a decrease in hospital and ICU numbers. We should see the effects of the big spike of jabs which were given in July. The 20-30s are getting their second jabs now, the people who got a Janssen in the pharmacies are now 4weeks in and the immunity should be built.

If we can see more discharges in the hospitals (high amount of people being admitted 2weeks ago should lead to a high number of discharges now), and the numbers stabilizing, it will be hard to announce on the 1st September that nothing can be lifted.

19-08-2021 11:02am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117774287#Comment_117774287

Agree these are merely token gestures and nope they don’t want music, they even have a ban on dancing. It’s puritanical in a way when you see the big events in other countries, maybe Ireland is just turning into a backwater!!

Penfailed · 19-08-2021 11:04am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117774767#Comment_117774767

This is getting frustrating. I DO CARE! I agree with you. It should be happening here. Nothing I've said should indicate otherwise.

is_that_so · 19-08-2021 11:07am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117775195#Comment_117775195

By September 1st only schools and 3rd level will be confirmed. Everything else is likely to have to wait until the end of the main vaccination programme in late September.

LuckyLloyd · 19-08-2021 11:24am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117775195#Comment_117775195

This has to be the hope, yes.

giveitholly · 19-08-2021 11:26am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117775235#Comment_117775235

And can you honestly see further easing of restrictions by the end of Sept and we heading into the winter period? Can you see indoor concerts and music allowed? Not a hope,swimming lessons,various classes like Irish dancing for children and many other activities allowed restart,the mind boggles that we have so many people vaccinated and so many restrictions still in place. Then you have the likes of Mary Favier(not sure if I spelt her name correctly) preaching on the radio about keeping restrictions in place,the fact that someone like her is getting airtime says it all about this country and our weak spineless leaders. And don't get me started on the opposition

Buffman · 19-08-2021 11:32am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117774803#Comment_117774803

Move your wedding to Northern Ireland and do whatever you want.

JDxtra · 19-08-2021 11:57am

Just one more winter to flatten the curve...? 🙄

Parachutes · 19-08-2021 12:01pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117775447#Comment_117775447

How long till they start using the term “lockdown season” ?

19-08-2021 12:01pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117775338#Comment_117775338

100% EXACTLY. WELL SAID.

Allinall · 19-08-2021 12:03pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117775195#Comment_117775195

ICU down to 52 today, from 54.

Numbers in hospital down to 244, from 248 yesterday.

Hopefully the start of a trend.

https://covid19ireland-geohive.hub.arcgis.com/pages/hospitals-icu--testing

mariab21 · 19-08-2021 12:05pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117775474#Comment_117775474

What difference does it make. They will make up some other **** to justify the slowest reopening in Europe

Allinall · 19-08-2021 12:06pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117775482#Comment_117775482

Fair enough.

Stay in denial, and enjoy your wedding.

zebastein · 19-08-2021 12:16pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117775482#Comment_117775482

I don't think there is one single opinion in this government. We have seen it with the Hotel quarantine, we see it now with the Arts Minister.

The problem so far is that there was too much uncertainty and not enough positive facts for the ministers in favour of easing the restrictions to put enough pressure. With vaccination and if numbers in hospitals are stable or decrease, that is an opportunity to have this voice heard.

The head of the government is spineless: the archbishop allowed communions to happen, and the government had to include it in the next reopening. If other parts of society put enough pressure, they will get things. So far the Irish people have been very polite and complacent, so MM and his friends could decide what they want without any pressure

19-08-2021 12:19pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117775087#Comment_117775087

This is what happens when you use google as opposed to knowledge. You are measuring the change from x1 to x2.

mariab21 · 19-08-2021 12:31pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117775489#Comment_117775489

What denial. You saying we havnt the slowest reopening in Europe. We just found out 2 weeks ago the Govt rejected a roapmap to reopen by the Minister for Arts.

godzilla1989 · 19-08-2021 12:38pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117775544#Comment_117775544

Which is what you do when comparing against placebo eg 95% vs 99%

is_that_so · 19-08-2021 12:49pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117775314#Comment_117775314

Some of these I can see but not in September, more likely from October onwards because the government will want to see how 3rd level goes first. I expect masks to be there for the foreseeable, especially on transport, but we might see movement on social distancing.

Backstreet Moyes · 19-08-2021 12:50pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117775079#Comment_117775079

Musicians have suffered financially and mentally for a long time.

I know of a Musician who committed suicide over the restrictions.

Four pubs where I live have outdoor seating where you could hire someone to play music, yet only one of them does and its a band on a Saturday and Sunday, so two slots for all the musicians in the city every week.

Yet here you are commenting that music is allowed now like everyone is back to work, while thousands are struggling financially and mentally.

People with kids and mortgages who are under terrible stress and here you are nitpicking a comment as if things are back to normal.

I assume you are young and have no responsibilities because you can head off to the North when you want and unless you turned down a vaccine you would have been given a first vaccine before you got Covid.

Going on bragging about how you can go through a week without being inconvenienced by restrictions and not a care about people who can't.

You are either in my opinion either coming on here trying to wind people up because you are bored.

You are the type who would start an argument in an empty room, the type who is always right and even friends on a night out sigh when they here you are coming out because you are always right about everything.

You want restrictions to end yet you are happy not to get vaccinated when we most likely need to hit a certain percentage of vaccinations to ease restrictions but you don't care because restrictions don't apply to you.

Maybe I am wrong and you are totally unaware of how you come across but what is not up for debate is the fact you have no sympathy for the people of the country who are struggling and only care about yourself.

growleaves · 19-08-2021 12:51pm

Hey guys is there a way we can take rights away from white males and give them to the immuno-underprivileged?

It's really important that we try to promote biological equity.

shesty · 19-08-2021 12:54pm

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/entertainment-sector-should-have-reopened-this-summer-immunologist-says-1.4650824

Can people read this? It may be behind a paywall for some, I can put the article text in a post if needed.

Interesting commentary.Basically an immunologist stating the following:

""Prof Moynagh said because of Ireland’s vaccine uptake Covid-19 case numbers are now “likely to be as good as they are going to get” in the coming months and “that should be reflected in some of the things we are thinking about”.

The Government should have been more ambitious with reopening earlier in the summer, said Prof Moynagh. “Were we seriously saying we were going to open up things at the beginning of September when schools were opening, and universities, and we were heading into the winter months?

“Things do not get easier and we need to be up front about that.”"

He's right, and the exact same thing happened last year. We were s-l-o-w-l-y lifting restrictions without any apparent thought that September would be precarious, simply due to the nature of the timing and of course we got hit. We are making the same mistake all over again. It feels like we are on the back foot constantly. That might have been ok in March 2020, but after 2 more rounds of lockdowns, it is most definitely not ok. Forward planning is just non-existent as far as I can see. And the reluctance to even mention what could be done to alleviate the Health Service problems, never mind to actually go and try to do something is unreal.

It beggars belief that we have continued to choose to pour millions down the drain in Pandemic Support payments over actually trying to do something with the health system - even just planning for the Health system to be able to manage through this pandemic long term.

Further down that article -

"Vaccine certs

Elsewhere, the Restaurants Association of Ireland has asked that vaccine certificates be removed due to high levels of vaccination in the general public.

In a document sent to Fáilte Ireland, the association also said that all social distancing requirements should be removed, which they claimed result in a capacity loss of 40 per cent.

The trade group said sanitisation, ventilation and C02 monitors would help mitigate the risk of Covid spread.

Similarly, it has asked that the set closing time of 11.30pm be removed, which it said has resulted in a “loss of a last sitting time for approximately 50 per cent of restaurants who would run a late sitting during weekend periods”. It also argued that this closing time puts additional pressure on public and private transport systems."

Also an interesting viewpoint.

We aren't going to get a much better vaccination rate in this country (as anyone who actually understands statistics will know), so to quote Boris "if not now, then when?". An element of common sense has to start coming into this somewhere.

godzilla1989 · 19-08-2021 12:59pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117775474#Comment_117775474

Its a good trend, but will be shortlived imo, it's just wishful thinking and head in the sand stuff, hoping it will get better, we might as well accept it now that's it's going to be a very tough winter

Compared to last year it's horrific.

19th Aug 20 with no vaccines and we had 17 in hospital

19th Aug 21, 244 in hospital with 85% fully vaccinated

1335% increase like for like and the trend graph looks the exact same as last year. Lowest in July and a gradual incline month by month until we had to lockdown in Winter.

Delta has fucked everything up

Penfailed · 19-08-2021 1:15pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117775695#Comment_117775695

Yet again, more projection on your part.

I'm a musician (not my full time job). I used to play regularly in a band. We haven't even had a practice session since March last year. I didn't (not once) comment that everything is back to normal and that everyone is back to work.

I didn't turn down a vaccine. I was going to get around to it at some stage but I was too busy and I'm shíte when it comes to things like that. I have a wife and a couple of kids. We all went to the festival last weekend. It's very family friendly.

I did not (not once) say that I can go through a week without being inconvenienced by restrictions. At most, I might have said 'a few days'.

As I've recently had Covid, in my opinion, I don't need to get vaccinated. I'll let my share go to someone that does.

Lastly, maybe it's just the way you read something that's not there...but I most certainly do have sympathy for people who are struggling and don't just care about myself. I just don't type it out very often. I shouldn't need to.

namloc1980 · 19-08-2021 1:16pm

@shesty We aren't going to get a much better vaccination rate in this country (as anyone who actually understands statistics will know), so to quote Boris "if not now, then when?". An element of common sense has to start coming into this somewhere.

Unfortunately common sense went out the window a long time ago.

Penfailed · 19-08-2021 1:19pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117775726#Comment_117775726

Very good article. I support this stance.

I shouldn't have to state that ^^^ but it appears that some people misunderstand my posts.

is_that_so · 19-08-2021 1:23pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117775743#Comment_117775743

But it's not a like for like comparison. Our current cases would have seen some restrictions reapplied in August 2020. What we are effectively doing now is letting it rip through those who are unvaccinated as we shrink the size of that group through vaccination.

lawred2 · 19-08-2021 1:39pm

we're paying for decades of HSE mismanagement and a state agenda to facilitate two tier healthcare

and now the HSE through NPHET and a craven government has the power to throttle society to cover for their inadequacies.

godzilla1989 · 19-08-2021 1:55pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117775837#Comment_117775837

There's more fully vaccinated people getting covid on the 19th of Aug 21 than there was people getting it in on the 19th Of Aug 20 with no vaccine's

We had 48 cases on 19/08/20, probably be 2000 cases today and over 200 of them will be fully vaccinated

It's ripping through everyone.

Parachutes · 19-08-2021 2:04pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117775997#Comment_117775997

Who cares? This virus effects virtually no one under the age of 80

growleaves · 19-08-2021 2:08pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117776075#Comment_117776075

Yes and natural lifespan doesn't change.

Michaelangelo lived to the age of 88.

Backstreet Moyes · 19-08-2021 2:21pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117775801#Comment_117775801

Fair enough we will leave it at that

Red Silurian · 19-08-2021 2:35pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117776075#Comment_117776075

Incorrect

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0819/1241669-coronavirus-ireland/

Chief Medical Officer Dr Tony Holohan said that 43% of patients in ICUs are below the age of 50

Probably caused by the more recent or lower vaccination uptake

TheDoctor · 19-08-2021 2:50pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117776282#Comment_117776282

There was 54 patients in ICU last night. 43% of this number is 23 people under the age of 50.

April 2020 estimated population was 4,977,400 people with an estimate of 3,389,600 or 68.1% of the population being under 50.

https://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/er/pme/populationandmigrationestimatesapril2020/

So 23 people out of 3,389,600 are in ICU under the age of 50.

68.1% of the population are represented by 23 in ICU (under 50)

31.9% of the population are represented by 31 in ICU (over 50)

So it is still a disease of the elderly.

mariab21 · 19-08-2021 2:50pm

40,000 for croke park this Sunday, no testing, no tempature checks, no covid certs needed all mixing and mingling pre match around Drumcondra.

Are these events not meant to be test events?

JRant · 19-08-2021 2:55pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117776354#Comment_117776354

The only thing they are testing is our patience.

Red Silurian · 19-08-2021 2:56pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117776353#Comment_117776353

Very true, my bad, when you said virtually no one under the age of 80 I thought it would be closer to 0 and much further away than 23, which represents 43% of our total ICU numbers, I thought it would be closer to 0%

My bad

Red Silurian · 19-08-2021 2:59pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117776354#Comment_117776354

I'd say the idea is they will monitor what way case numbers will go for the 2 weeks after the event and call that their "test"

To be fair there's unlikely to be mass testing before any other sporting events this year as none of them will be on the scale of the All Ireland crowd numbers

Penfailed · 19-08-2021 3:01pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117776075#Comment_117776075

No. The delta variant has changed that.

PTH2009 · 19-08-2021 3:02pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117776406#Comment_117776406

Don't worry if a case comes from any 'test event' in Ireland we will never hear the end of it by the media

mariab21 · 19-08-2021 3:03pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117776406#Comment_117776406

Would it not be safer to like all concerts in belfast, need proof vaccination, recovery from covid or negative test.

Its as if they want cases to rise.

Monaghan played Tyrone in Croke Park recently 14,000 same rules there was none. How can they monitor cases of people if half the people at game don't live in the country.

Tryone will also be back next week in front of 40,000