Kilkenny GAA Thread

Charlie69

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123653974#Comment_123653974

just feels like it 🤣 seven out of ten 🙈

JJs Left Hand

In fairness, in terms of coaching, it's now pretty clear that Herity is Kilkennys most qualified and needs to be brought into the fold

His work with Kildare and now an integral part of Tipps setup far surpasses Henry, Eddie, Hogan and anyone else you can name. I'm not sure he should be manager as he might be better suited being the main coach

hogans heroes

More sick than ever after watching that.better team in last 2 semi finals but didn't get the job done and other two teams go on and win.surely a cody galway moment for cork.Need to be ruthless and couldn't even do a Nicky quiad and look for contact lenses he doesn't have.

Charlie69

I love how John McGrath plays the game, real old school streetwise operator. Used all his experience to win the penalty and was probably the match winner today, scored 2-2 and won the penalty leading to a red card. Great bit of stuff.

ttowncat

Lyng Should hang his head in shame after the last 2 years. Liam cahill shows how it's done. Tactical changes, ruthless togetherness and energy on the line.

Imagine the shoe on the other foot in that semi final. Imagine kilkenny hitting long ball into a full forward line of dj or eddie b or Charlie carter or tj looking for breaks. Tipp had pure gifted hurlers in john macgrath, forde and maccarthy looking for opportunistic breaks in the semi and final. Lyng standing there like a statue with the arms folded letting the tipp goalie one-2 the puckout down on top of that. The cork manager had the same demeanor from start to finish today.

Noel Doherty not much better. He actually played a game where huw lawlor was not to be engaged in the fullback position- do any of these people plan tactically?

ttowncat

Unbelievable Stuff from tipp today and hats off to them.

The favourites thing is such a disease it can take everything from players. Cork are athletes and they couldn't even do that when they had to.

sportsmaddad

Could Kilkenny have hatched and executed a plan to manage Cork as well as Tipp did today? Even ignoring the 2nd half, which was a freak show from Cork, restricting them to one goal chance well into 1st half injury time was the foundation for this win. Could Kilkenny have done it?

Topcat32

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123622832#Comment_123622832

Yeah I did, thanks for pointing it out, and I was obviously a bit over emotional in some of my posts after the semi final and my original post this evening, well done to Tipp, hopefully Kilkenny can learn from how success can be achieved even after a couple of years where the atmosphere around the senior team was a bit toxic around the county, I do feel sorry for Pat Ryan, criticism is fair and to be expected for anyone who puts their neck on the line, but I think people should be conscious of the level of effort both physically and mentally that people like Pat Ryan and Derek Lyng put into the management of the teams with the high risk that despite their efforts, it will be seen as a failure

Sir Chaz

I'd say yer man with the tattoo is fairly popular tonight.

Cork huge bottlers. Tipp were savage.

kk.man

Tipperary have come on light years tactically under Cahill. The bar has risen again. Kudos to them playing 7 men at the back and two up front which seemed like they were 3 there most of the time. You can see know why we couldn't score goals against them.

If tipp put their ducks in a row I can see them dominating for a good few years.

hogans heroes

They can never do 2 in a row.

hogans heroes

Cork management need to take along hard look at themselves. Looked lost as to how to stop the tipp wave coming against them.

Formosa

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Billy Ocean

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123654223#Comment_123654223

This is pure hindsight analysis but Cork had 3 meltdowns in 7 games, last 10 mins v Clare, 1st half v Limerick and 2nd half today.

Formosa

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123654176#Comment_123654176

You should put your name down yourself for the job next year.

Krazy gang

Ronan Maher is some bloody leader. Blotted Hayes out of the game. Brilliant speech too. I was even a bit emotional listening to it. Great tactical move by Cahill to try frustrate cork and stem the tide. Got the keeper move right. Herity probably had an influence there. Trusted the young lads.

Kilkenny players will have huge regrets obviously but what can you do? Just come back again. Nothing between 5/6 teams

blackcard

Tipp did to Cork today in the second half what Kilkenny did to Tipp in the second half of the 2012 semi final

njcat

Kilkenny and Limerick players will have lots of regrets after Cork's strange meltdown today. Feel sorry for Horgan and Harnedy; thought this was their first medal. Hats off to Tipp for peaking at exactly the right time. Cork tried to win the double like Clare in 2024 and Limerick in 2023; this required peaking for both the league final and today. Difficult to understand why Cork looked so lethargic and mounted no challenge except for the second quarter.

Martin567

I was so disappointed after the semi-final loss two weeks ago that I never got around to looking at any of the highlights later on tv. Watching the final buildup today I saw a few scores from that day for the first time since.

The crucial score on the day was the last Tipp goal. Without that there's a fair chance Kilkenny would have won. I was shocked to see today that there was a blatant free-out not awarded to Kilkenny in the buildup. Michael Carey intercepted the first ball played in. As he went to gather the slothar, Noel McGrath put his arm around the neck and swung him around. A few seconds later the ball was in the net.

I've seen no mention of this anywhere since which is very strange given how crucial the score was.

Just today I read a comment on another thread about how Tipperary were robbed back in the 2009 final. Presumably this refers to the penalty which should only have been a free. So a two point swing to Kilkenny. I've also seen lots of comments over the years about the 2019 semi-final and Limerick not getting the late '65.

It's strange how those incidents from games several years ago are still remembered while crucial mistakes like above were not mentioned at all and are already forgotten.

Just a thought but are Kilkenny people too soft in accepting injustices against them, not wanting to be seen as a sore loser, etc? The whole mess up with the scoreboard got ridiculously little coverage and the GAA seem to be trying to get away without ever giving a proper explanation of what happened.

Obviously the Kilkenny team have their own things to work on. They made too many sloppy errors against Tipp but today must surely show that they're not too far away. Whether they can make that final step is another issue.

Village87

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123655003#Comment_123655003

We are going down the same merry path as the last 10 years. We convince ourselves we are good enough. We are effectively in the All Ireland semi final next year. So we peak for that game, of course we are going to hurl our best stuff for 45/50 mins. But we fall asunder after, lack of pace in the forwards, lack of impact off the bench, mismanagement, we are carrying Riche Reid and Paddy Deegan and Mikey Butker to a certain degree. We need to improve on all of these to win an all Ireland, not just live in fantasy and convince ourselves we are good enough.

RoyalCelt

The mess up on the scoreboard got huge coverage but I agree kk prople are too humbled. You've been wronged a few times now.

Maybe it's easy to be humble after experiencing the cody domination and being so far ahead on the roll of honour.

The team will be kicking themselves knowing full well they could have ambushed cork today and likewise last year you threw it away against Clare.

You were that goal line save right at the end from potentially being champs this year. Btw how many players on your current squad have AI medals?

mullinr2

The fact of the matter is that Tipp have won a senior, U 20 and minor All Irelands in the space of 14 months. Something we did in our heyday. They seem to be going one direction and Kilkenny the other. I dont care whatever anyone else thinks (it's all about getting one or two players crap) winning underage titles is important. It breeds confidence and it's that confidence that stood to Tipp today.

Martin567

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123655020#Comment_123655020

This year is over and next year could be completely different. Maybe we'll be much further away next year, who knows?

But there's no fantasy about being good enough this year. Clearly we were very close, much closer in hindsight than we realised at the time.

We outhurled Tipp for large portions of the semi final and really should have beaten them. It's our own fault we made so many sloppy errors and credit to Tipp they were clinical enough to capitalise on almost every mistake. Even with that, every break of a ball on the day seemed to go with Tipp. The last goal should have been a free-out and Tipp made a last second save on the line. Yes, we lost but it can hardly be denied that it was close.

If we had won two weeks ago, would we have won today? Looking at Cork, I think there's a decent chance we would. We didn't need to beat them by 15 points, one would have done. On today's Cork performance, we were more than good enough to beat them.

Martin567

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123655039#Comment_123655039

The scoreboard thing didn't really get huge coverage. It got a few articles for a day or two but little enough that the GAA have been able to ignore it. They issued a statement 90 minutes after the match clarifying the score and complete silence ever since. That's not good enough for such a massive error which would have been calamitous for them if Kilkenny had scored the late goal.

Kilkenny Co Board should be demanding a full explanation of the whole thing. If you can't rely on the scoreboard in Croke Park in the last minutes of the match then what's the point? Michael Verney in the Irish Independent said the ref confirmed the incorrect score 80 minutes after the game ended before later changing his mind. This hasn't been denied since but still no further statement.

Only Eoin Murphy, TJ Reid and Richie Reid have All Ireland medals.

terracedgarden

It actually riled me up seeing David Herrity in the background at the winners hotel. A former Kilkenny player. The Co. Board need to get him on our side no matter the team or capacity.

Realt Dearg Sec

Listening to shefflin talking about cahill on the Sunday game, that he was questioned last year and he went and found young players of character and put faith in them, sounds like a guy who wants to manage kilkenny.

Not sure he's my first choice,I would want mullally or Hogan personally.

eoinfitzokk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123655223#Comment_123655223

100% seemed like that. Also he kinda rolled his eyes a bit with some facial expressions when they they started taking the piss about kk having too many sweepers.....like he has very strong feelings on how the semi-fianl was tactically managed to the end.

I'd say he wants the job. Some on here and in the county will want it. Players might want it or at least not against it....with many having hurled under him. But do the county board want it?

The big thing for Tipp this year is that started to get a real bounce of each other and built some serious momentum. All the supporters turning back to support the team. Sounds familiar to what KK need to do to get closer to compete in an All Ireland. If we don't do this by management change, how do we build that internally?

Conversations 3

Tactics beat Kilkenny in the semi-final and beat Cork in the final.

We need better management who have a plan A, B and C if needed during a game and can see the weakness's in the opposition before and during the game.

Village87

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123655313#Comment_123655313

Henry also made another point that stuck. He was talking about Liam Cahill and how his approach "brings fire to the bellies of Tipperary players". Our sideline in minor, u20 and senior the last few years would not bring much fire to the bellies.

ttowncat

Caused too much agro. Deleted