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Media reaction with no facts - Carlow Secondary School

  • 20-06-2021 12:50pm
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 542 ✭✭✭


    https://mobile.twitter.com/Pres_Carlow/status/1406212446851846147



    There were a number of individuals involved in Irish media and politics who were extremely critical of the Male teachers in Presentation Carlow to a wholly unfounded allegation. The PE teachers in particularly cited and with some commentators calling for their sacking and even Garda investigations! Some of these included Aodan o Riordan, Ciara Kelly, Hazel Chu, a RTE news report, Newstalk reporter Kacey Riordan, Richie Sadlier etc They were very vocal in their criticism to the school and staff members. Now the press ombundsman has found there was nothing in this but chinese whispers. Since this finding, the above named people have been absolutely silent. Not a peep out of them. They'd be the very people leading the cancel culture crusade.

    Now I'm not calling for them to be sacked but they could at least do the decent thing and apologise for their commentary during those few days in November. They can be quick enough to criticize others but haven't owned up to their own mistake here.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    It probably didn't help that students mainly girls and their parents were all giving wildly different versions of what was said at these meetings in the first place ,
    The media and everyone else jumped on the victim 101 bandwagon after that .
    Apologies need to be made public ,the families involved should be told to find new schools ,I wouldn't feel safe as male working in a school where claims like that can be made and yet get zero protection


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,841 ✭✭✭TomTomTim


    I didn't even know this turned out to be another lie, until I seen it posted by randomers elsewhere. If there was corrections made in news outlets, they were done with subtly, or not at all. It's a bit like the Margret Cash story; the initial outrage driven reports were plastered all over the news, yet there was no follow up showing that she was a pure chancer, trying to scam the system. Yet some people wonder why people don't trust the media anymore.

    “The man who lies to himself can be more easily offended than anyone else. You know it is sometimes very pleasant to take offense, isn't it? A man may know that nobody has insulted him, but that he has invented the insult for himself, has lied and exaggerated to make it picturesque, has caught at a word and made a mountain out of a molehill--he knows that himself, yet he will be the first to take offense, and will revel in his resentment till he feels great pleasure in it.”- ― Fyodor Dostoevsky, The Brothers Karamazov




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 223 ✭✭Sadler Peak


    A lot of apologies need to be made.

    But will they ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,802 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    They ought to apologise but no need for anyone to resign or be fired.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,044 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    A lot of apologies need to be made.

    But will they ?

    I'd say those folks are afraid of legal letters arriving in their letter box.

    All eyes on Kursk. Slava Ukraini.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,099 ✭✭✭tabby aspreme


    I'd say those folks are afraid of legal letters arriving in their letter box.

    And hopefully those letters will arrive, it may prevent something like this happening again


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I'd say those folks are afraid of legal letters arriving in their letter box.

    Rightfully so.


    Hope they get a few astro pitches and a luxurious school bus.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,132 ✭✭✭joseywhales


    And the fact that they gave this nonsense attention has taught another generation that lies, gossip and accusations can get you rewarded with the attention you desire.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 77 ✭✭Arealred


    Look at some of the individuals involved Aodan o Riordan, Ciara Kelly, Hazel Chu, a RTE news report, Newstalk reporter Kacey Riordan, Richie Sadlier. Enough said.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,826 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    PhoneMain wrote: »
    https://mobile.twitter.com/Pres_Carlow/status/1406212446851846147



    There were a number of individuals involved in Irish media and politics who were extremely critical of the Male teachers in Presentation Carlow to a wholly unfounded allegation. The PE teachers in particularly cited and with some commentators calling for their sacking and even Garda investigations! Some of these included Aodan o Riordan, Ciara Kelly, Hazel Chu, a RTE news report, Newstalk reporter Kacey Riordan, Richie Sadlier etc They were very vocal in their criticism to the school and staff members. Now the press ombundsman has found there was nothing in this but chinese whispers. Since this finding, the above named people have been absolutely silent. Not a peep out of them. They'd be the very people leading the cancel culture crusade.

    Now I'm not calling for them to be sacked but they could at least do the decent thing and apologise for their commentary during those few days in November. They can be quick enough to criticize others but haven't owned up to their own mistake here.




    You can't use that term anymore.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,231 ✭✭✭Hercule Poirot


    Hazel Chu really has shown herself to be an utter cretin


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,854 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,184 ✭✭✭85603


    thanks to sht like this the value of nonsense nothingburger allegations is gradually dropping to zero.

    social media fatigue is growing.


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    85603 wrote: »
    thanks to sht like this the value of nonsense nothingburger allegations is gradually dropping to zero.

    social media fatigue is growing.

    This was all over the news and social media at the time. Damage is done unfortunately. Nowhere near as many will hear about this.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 583 ✭✭✭crooked cockney villain


    Hazel Chu really has shown herself to be an utter cretin

    The national media coverage that this local county councillor who holds an honorary position receives is absolutely staggering. I don't think there has ever before been a nationally known Irish politician who was never actually a TD, Senator or President (Presidential run no doubt coming in 2025 or so if she fails to get into the Dail/ Seanad before then)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 869 ✭✭✭Icemancometh


    My opinion of journalists remain unchanged.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,408 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Surely there is enough here for a long series of lawsuits against certain individuals for such serious defamation?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,231 ✭✭✭Hercule Poirot


    Surely there is enough here for a long series of lawsuits against certain individuals for such serious defamation?

    Now that they've been officially exonerated I hope they do go down this path.

    Hopefully might teach others to actually research the issues or newbites they see/hear before they start mouthing off and publicly laying into people.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 379 ✭✭Tilden Katz


    Were any of the teachers named? If so, that’s alarming. This really is something that could lead to a suicide quite easily. Having one’s good name tarnished is devastating.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,014 ✭✭✭archfi


    Were any of the teachers named? If so, that’s alarming. This really is something that could lead to a suicide quite easily. Having one’s good name tarnished is devastating.

    And wellness-mental health guru/moany football pundit Sadlier couldn't wait to stick his oar in and damage very badly the reputation and health of the male teachers (I think 7 men)
    Always the be kind hoohas. Always.

    A thing isn't what it says it is.

    A thing is what it does.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 705 ✭✭✭Newbie20


    As a male teacher in an all girls school, I feel very angry about this story. If I was a teacher in this school I wouldn’t be letting this go. All these “do gooders”, they’ve no problem tarnishing someone’s good reputation when there’s a bandwagon to be jumped on. Disgraceful.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,743 ✭✭✭StupidLikeAFox


    Checked a few on the list and Richie Sadlier was the only one that seems to have come out with an apology on twitter so far. Be interesting to see if any of the others follow suit


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,014 ✭✭✭archfi


    Checked a few on the list and Richie Sadlier was the only one that seems to have come out with an apology on twitter so far. Be interesting g to see if any of the others follow suit

    Actually, just saw that since you mentioned it.
    i'll give him kudos for that and hopefully he has learned his lesson.

    A thing isn't what it says it is.

    A thing is what it does.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,067 ✭✭✭Gunmonkey


    Checked a few on the list and Richie Sadlier was the only one that seems to have come out with an apology on twitter so far. Be interesting to see if any of the others follow suit

    I wouldnt be holding out hope. Would imagine the likes of those who jumped on this bandwagon would twist any legally obliged apology into a soapbox about "how hard it is for young women in Ireland" or such.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32 Splish Splash


    Whatever about the original article and the Press Council's ruling, the school did behave very poorly. The school principal gave an interview on Morning Ireland last year which shows how endemic the problem of bodyshaming is - he genuinely thought there was no problem with how they handled the issue. Linky


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,447 ✭✭✭Calhoun


    I wonder if there will be a defamation lawsuit, i think in such cases that's the only way to really drive home the importance of accuracy in what you say on social media.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 906 ✭✭✭purifol0


    Thejournal.ie are covering this too, but with "comments closed" for some reason. Would it be because they themselves were disgraceful in their original reporting of the story, and helped fan the flames of false accusations?

    Tis about two weeks since they published that article on why media censorship...is bad. The comments were not kind. More than a few mentions of hypocrisy. This is just another one.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,091 ✭✭✭Curse These Metal Hands


    They all seem to be deleting their tweets with no apology. Spineless.

    Ruth Coppinger is an all round terrible person. The same happened with the false story that a Dublin hospital had refused a woman an abortion after it was legalised, she immediately called for board members heads to roll, by the end of the day it was found to be lies and she just never mentioned it again. Absolutely no integrity.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,091 ✭✭✭Curse These Metal Hands


    purifol0 wrote: »
    Thejournal.ie are covering this too, but with "comments closed" for some reason. Would it be because they themselves were disgraceful in their original reporting of the story, and helped fan the flames of false accusations?

    Tis about two weeks since they published that article on why media censorship...is bad. The comments were not kind. More than a few mentions of hypocrisy. This is just another one.

    Just saw the original article from November and the comments are open. Several comments alluding to male staff potentially being pedophiles. Hope they sue.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61,272 ✭✭✭✭Agent Coulson


    Sadlier's tweet is a please don't sue me apology.


    He deleted his original tweets If he had any balls and wanted to genuinely apologies he would have quoted his original tweets and shown what he said at the time while not knowing the actual facts instead of deleting them and giving his apology on tweet from the school that tagged those social media justice warriors who want to cancel everyone.

    Also fair to the school of keeping a list of everyone of those individuals and media outlets that jumped on the bandwagon and tagged then all now.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 542 ✭✭✭PhoneMain


    Sadlier's tweet is a please don't sue me apology.


    He deleted his original tweets If he had any balls and wanted to genuinely apologies he would have quoted his original tweets and shown what he said at the time while not knowing the actual facts instead of deleting them and giving his apology on tweet from the school that tagged those social media justice warriors who want to cancel everyone.

    Also fair to the school of keeping a list of everyone of those individuals and media outlets that jumped on the bandwagon and tagged then all now.


    Yeah but you can be sure that these people are hoping that it dies down and is quickly forgotten about. Aoife Grace Moore is on Ireland AM there, she was another one who was critical of the male teachers. Amy notion the story was covered this morning? Not on your nelly! I hope the school doesnt let it lie until they've at least got an apology.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,839 ✭✭✭✭padd b1975


    Checked a few on the list and Richie Sadlier was the only one that seems to have come out with an apology on twitter so far. Be interesting to see if any of the others follow suit

    No chance of Coppinger apologising to her mortal enemy-the straight white male.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,312 ✭✭✭paw patrol


    Sadlier's tweet is a please don't sue me apology.


    He deleted his original tweets If he had any balls and wanted to genuinely apologies he would have quoted his original tweets and shown what he said at the time while not knowing the actual facts instead of deleting them and giving his apology on tweet from the school that tagged those social media justice warriors who want to cancel everyone.

    It's good he apologised but his talk of "feelings" is bizarre,
    who cares about feelings - he defamed their character in a horrendous way.
    Also fair to the school of keeping a list of everyone of those individuals and media outlets that jumped on the bandwagon and tagged then all now.

    this is brilliant , hats off to them


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,044 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    They must know deleting their original tweets are a bit pointless? They are well screenshotted by this stage.

    All eyes on Kursk. Slava Ukraini.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,711 ✭✭✭keano_afc


    If anyone genuinely believes people like Aodhain O'Riordain and Hazel Chu are going to admit they made a mistake, they haven't been paying attention.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,312 ✭✭✭paw patrol


    keano_afc wrote: »
    If anyone genuinely believes people like Aodhain O'Riordain and Hazel Chu are going to admit they made a mistake, they haven't been paying attention.

    perhaps not - but the public should never let them forget we know what utter cnuts they are esp those two you mention


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,010 ✭✭✭kildare lad


    I hope the school decides to sue the people and social media platforms for defamation . It's far to easy for people to pump out false information and ruin people's careers and their lives . It happened a TD out my way called Frank o Rourke . Coming up to his reelection tweets and facebook posts started being shared with false information . He ended up losing his seat and there was court case going on with him against Facebook and Twitter .

    https://www.irishexaminer.com/opinion/commentanalysis/arid-40216364.html

    Frank O’Rourke believes he was shafted at the last general election.

    The former Fianna Fáil TD for Kildare North claims he was the victim of a campaign of personal vilification and the High Court may yet decide whether anybody is accountable for that.

    His case is a perfect exemplar of the dark side of modern politics, particularly in how damaging misinformation can be spread across social media.

    Mr O’Rourke is suing Twitter and Facebook for hosting posts in the run-up to last February’s general election which he claims were highly defamatory and based on complete falsehoods.

    Yesterday, his lawyer brought a motion to have an individual who posted a tweet on election day joined to the proceedings.

    This man, the Irish Examiner has established, is personally unknown to Mr O’Rourke.

    Mr O' Rourke was also granted permission by the High Court to add another "persons unknown" to defamation proceedings. Declan Doyle, SC for Mr O'Rourke, told Ms Justice Leonie Reynolds that his client is still trying to identify the person who posted the alleged defamatory post on a Facebook page.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,294 ✭✭✭limnam


    Richie Sadlier has followers?


    This social media "craze" needs to end.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,746 ✭✭✭newhouse87


    At least sadlier showed some decency, that oriordain comes across as a bit weird to be honest. Coppinger-actually funny how much she hates everything, saw brid smith smile once, was an odd sight.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 9,768 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manach


    It is a bit ironic, the political/chattering classes often call for and implemention of speech codes/legisational that has a chilling effect on public discourse but rarely do they think that these or even the constitutional bedrock right of other's retaining their good reputation applies.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,408 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    newhouse87 wrote: »
    At least sadlier showed some decency

    Sadlier is afraid of getting sued.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,711 ✭✭✭keano_afc


    newhouse87 wrote: »
    At least sadlier showed some decency, that oriordain comes across as a bit weird to be honest. Coppinger-actually funny how much she hates everything, saw brid smith smile once, was an odd sight.

    Sadlier apologised out of fear, thats all.

    He's an odd one. Not content with being a football pundit, tries to wade into social justice in a vain attempt to increase his popularity. Just another virtue signaller without an original thought in his head.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,312 ✭✭✭paw patrol


    Sadlier original tweet .
    Him deleting it is cowardly.

    [IMG][/img]RS.jpg


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 71,142 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    It happened a TD out my way called Frank o Rourke . Coming up to his reelection tweets and facebook posts started being shared with false information . He ended up losing his seat

    Frank lost his seat cause the tide went out for FF in the constituency; him trying to blame a few tweets and Facebook posts that the majority of people weren't aware of until he went to the papers about it is ridiculous.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,743 ✭✭✭StupidLikeAFox


    Also fair to the school of keeping a list of everyone of those individuals and media outlets that jumped on the bandwagon and tagged then all now.

    The schools social media team as the wrote the press release:
    EmGUR_PXgAAjH1v.jpg


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,784 ✭✭✭DeadHand


    padd b1975 wrote: »
    No chance of Coppinger apologising to her mortal enemy-the straight white male.

    The comment may be tongue in cheek, but it has huge relevance.

    Had this been women under the spotlight, or migrants, or Travellers (also native but a protected subset) or any other group besides native Irish men, as the male Carlow teachers presumably are, the same commentators who rushed to judgement in this case would have (rightfully) kept silent until more details emerged or (more likely) ignored the issue altogether.

    As it was, because the targets were thought to be indigenous men, they were fair game for public ruination without evidence.

    This despite the fact that the same elements of the media and political establishments that fell over each other in their rush to destroy the exonerated teachers because they were male also lectures the nation on a daily basis about what a horribly racist and sexist country Ireland is, and how Irish men are to blame for it.

    And we’ll still be told we live in a “patriarchy”.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,100 ✭✭✭randd1


    DeadHand wrote: »
    The comment may be tongue in cheek, but it has huge relevance.

    Had this been women under the spotlight, or migrants, or Travellers or any other group besides native Irish men, as the male Carlow teachers presumably are, the same commentators who rushed to judgement in this case would have (rightfully) kept silent until more details emerged or (more likely) ignored the issue altogether.

    As it was, because the targets were thought to be indigenous men, they were fair game for public ruination without evidence.

    This despite the fact that the same elements of the media and political establishments that fell over each other in their rush to destroy the exonerated teachers becausethey were male also lectures the nation on a daily basis about what a horribly racist and sexist country Ireland is, and how Irish men are to blame for it.

    And we’ll still be told we live in a “patriarchy”.
    They'll eventually reap what they sow.


    Either the people pushing for this type of narrative will succeed and we'll have a society that is racist and sexist where their opinions will be ignored due to the racism/sexism, or they'll fail to succeed in pushing the narrative and will be ignored and become utterly irrelevant.


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    People often complain about the candidates who get elected in rural Ireland but it always amazes me the sort of people who seem to get consistently returned in Dublin. It's brutally bad, surely Dublin has better to offer to it's people?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,711 ✭✭✭keano_afc


    People often complain about the candidates who get elected in rural Ireland but it always amazes me the sort of people who seem to get consistently returned in Dublin. It's brutally bad, surely Dublin has better to offer to it's people?

    O'Riordain benefitted from two sitting TDs in his constituency not seeking re-election.

    But yeah, I cant understand the mindset of anyone who would vote for him.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 940 ✭✭✭Salvation Tambourine


    The Carlow incident really did highlight how fickle people can be once they hear a story and presume it's true. I assume stories are true all the time but try not to join in on a pile on unless there was proof. Even with proof I don't like pile ons.

    I just saw someone I know like this tweet. 23 words of a completely unsubstantiated story that will be added to the 'All men are perverts' files by some. It has 85k likes from people that presumably believe it's true. It may well be but it seems a bit mad that something like this can spread so quickly.

    https://twitter.com/IncendiaryNomad/status/1406412106585436162


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