Media reaction with no facts - Carlow Secondary School

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Agent Coulson wrote: »

Sadlier's tweet is a please don't sue me apology.


He deleted his original tweets If he had any balls and wanted to genuinely apologies he would have quoted his original tweets and shown what he said at the time while not knowing the actual facts instead of deleting them and giving his apology on tweet from the school that tagged those social media justice warriors who want to cancel everyone.

Also fair to the school of keeping a list of everyone of those individuals and media outlets that jumped on the bandwagon and tagged then all now.

Yeah but you can be sure that these people are hoping that it dies down and is quickly forgotten about. Aoife Grace Moore is on Ireland AM there, she was another one who was critical of the male teachers. Amy notion the story was covered this morning? Not on your nelly! I hope the school doesnt let it lie until they've at least got an apology.

padd b1975

StupidLikeAFox wrote: »

Checked a few on the list and Richie Sadlier was the only one that seems to have come out with an apology on twitter so far. Be interesting to see if any of the others follow suit

No chance of Coppinger apologising to her mortal enemy-the straight white male.

paw patrol

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Sadlier's tweet is a please don't sue me apology.


He deleted his original tweets If he had any balls and wanted to genuinely apologies he would have quoted his original tweets and shown what he said at the time while not knowing the actual facts instead of deleting them and giving his apology on tweet from the school that tagged those social media justice warriors who want to cancel everyone.

It's good he apologised but his talk of "feelings" is bizarre,
who cares about feelings - he defamed their character in a horrendous way.

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Also fair to the school of keeping a list of everyone of those individuals and media outlets that jumped on the bandwagon and tagged then all now.

this is brilliant , hats off to them

TheValeyard

They must know deleting their original tweets are a bit pointless? They are well screenshotted by this stage.

keano_afc

If anyone genuinely believes people like Aodhain O'Riordain and Hazel Chu are going to admit they made a mistake, they haven't been paying attention.

paw patrol

keano_afc wrote: »

If anyone genuinely believes people like Aodhain O'Riordain and Hazel Chu are going to admit they made a mistake, they haven't been paying attention.

perhaps not - but the public should never let them forget we know what utter cnuts they are esp those two you mention

kildare lad

I hope the school decides to sue the people and social media platforms for defamation . It's far to easy for people to pump out false information and ruin people's careers and their lives . It happened a TD out my way called Frank o Rourke . Coming up to his reelection tweets and facebook posts started being shared with false information . He ended up losing his seat and there was court case going on with him against Facebook and Twitter .

https://www.irishexaminer.com/opinion/commentanalysis/arid-40216364.html

Frank O’Rourke believes he was shafted at the last general election.

The former Fianna Fáil TD for Kildare North claims he was the victim of a campaign of personal vilification and the High Court may yet decide whether anybody is accountable for that.

His case is a perfect exemplar of the dark side of modern politics, particularly in how damaging misinformation can be spread across social media.

Mr O’Rourke is suing Twitter and Facebook for hosting posts in the run-up to last February’s general election which he claims were highly defamatory and based on complete falsehoods.

Yesterday, his lawyer brought a motion to have an individual who posted a tweet on election day joined to the proceedings.

This man, the Irish Examiner has established, is personally unknown to Mr O’Rourke.

Mr O' Rourke was also granted permission by the High Court to add another "persons unknown" to defamation proceedings. Declan Doyle, SC for Mr O'Rourke, told Ms Justice Leonie Reynolds that his client is still trying to identify the person who posted the alleged defamatory post on a Facebook page.

limnam

Richie Sadlier has followers?


This social media "craze" needs to end.

newhouse87

At least sadlier showed some decency, that oriordain comes across as a bit weird to be honest. Coppinger-actually funny how much she hates everything, saw brid smith smile once, was an odd sight.

Manach

It is a bit ironic, the political/chattering classes often call for and implemention of speech codes/legisational that has a chilling effect on public discourse but rarely do they think that these or even the constitutional bedrock right of other's retaining their good reputation applies.

Kermit.de.frog

newhouse87 wrote: »

At least sadlier showed some decency

Sadlier is afraid of getting sued.

keano_afc

newhouse87 wrote: »

At least sadlier showed some decency, that oriordain comes across as a bit weird to be honest. Coppinger-actually funny how much she hates everything, saw brid smith smile once, was an odd sight.

Sadlier apologised out of fear, thats all.

He's an odd one. Not content with being a football pundit, tries to wade into social justice in a vain attempt to increase his popularity. Just another virtue signaller without an original thought in his head.

paw patrol

Sadlier original tweet .
Him deleting it is cowardly.

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L1011

kildare lad wrote: »

It happened a TD out my way called Frank o Rourke . Coming up to his reelection tweets and facebook posts started being shared with false information . He ended up losing his seat

Frank lost his seat cause the tide went out for FF in the constituency; him trying to blame a few tweets and Facebook posts that the majority of people weren't aware of until he went to the papers about it is ridiculous.

StupidLikeAFox

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Also fair to the school of keeping a list of everyone of those individuals and media outlets that jumped on the bandwagon and tagged then all now.

The schools social media team as the wrote the press release:

DeadHand

padd b1975 wrote: »

No chance of Coppinger apologising to her mortal enemy-the straight white male.

The comment may be tongue in cheek, but it has huge relevance.

Had this been women under the spotlight, or migrants, or Travellers (also native but a protected subset) or any other group besides native Irish men, as the male Carlow teachers presumably are, the same commentators who rushed to judgement in this case would have (rightfully) kept silent until more details emerged or (more likely) ignored the issue altogether.

As it was, because the targets were thought to be indigenous men, they were fair game for public ruination without evidence.

This despite the fact that the same elements of the media and political establishments that fell over each other in their rush to destroy the exonerated teachers because they were male also lectures the nation on a daily basis about what a horribly racist and sexist country Ireland is, and how Irish men are to blame for it.

And we’ll still be told we live in a “patriarchy”.

randd1

DeadHand wrote: »

The comment may be tongue in cheek, but it has huge relevance.

Had this been women under the spotlight, or migrants, or Travellers or any other group besides native Irish men, as the male Carlow teachers presumably are, the same commentators who rushed to judgement in this case would have (rightfully) kept silent until more details emerged or (more likely) ignored the issue altogether.

As it was, because the targets were thought to be indigenous men, they were fair game for public ruination without evidence.

This despite the fact that the same elements of the media and political establishments that fell over each other in their rush to destroy the exonerated teachers becausethey were male also lectures the nation on a daily basis about what a horribly racist and sexist country Ireland is, and how Irish men are to blame for it.

And we’ll still be told we live in a “patriarchy”.

They'll eventually reap what they sow.


Either the people pushing for this type of narrative will succeed and we'll have a society that is racist and sexist where their opinions will be ignored due to the racism/sexism, or they'll fail to succeed in pushing the narrative and will be ignored and become utterly irrelevant.

People often complain about the candidates who get elected in rural Ireland but it always amazes me the sort of people who seem to get consistently returned in Dublin. It's brutally bad, surely Dublin has better to offer to it's people?

keano_afc

Deleted User wrote: »

People often complain about the candidates who get elected in rural Ireland but it always amazes me the sort of people who seem to get consistently returned in Dublin. It's brutally bad, surely Dublin has better to offer to it's people?

O'Riordain benefitted from two sitting TDs in his constituency not seeking re-election.

But yeah, I cant understand the mindset of anyone who would vote for him.

Salvation Tambourine

The Carlow incident really did highlight how fickle people can be once they hear a story and presume it's true. I assume stories are true all the time but try not to join in on a pile on unless there was proof. Even with proof I don't like pile ons.

I just saw someone I know like this tweet. 23 words of a completely unsubstantiated story that will be added to the 'All men are perverts' files by some. It has 85k likes from people that presumably believe it's true. It may well be but it seems a bit mad that something like this can spread so quickly.

https://twitter.com/IncendiaryNomad/status/1406412106585436162

Agent Coulson

Sadlier is also a Psychotherapist who spouts his brand of nonsense on podcasts, radio and TV about it to anyone who will listen so it was also a real life business decision for him to put out an non apology, apology so his client base can see how real he is and if he actually causes some mental destress to someone he can say sorry on Twitter and it's all good.

newhouse87

So should sadlier not have apologized? Sure he is protecting himself but the rest didnt bother and just hope it will be swept under the carpet.

kildare lad

L1011 wrote: »

Frank lost his seat cause the tide went out for FF in the constituency; him trying to blame a few tweets and Facebook posts that the majority of people weren't aware of until he went to the papers about it is ridiculous.

I'd agree with the FF part but people should be held responsible for slandering people on Facebook or twitter . We live in an age were there seems to be less and less personal responsibility . They think they can say what they like, no matter how factually wrong/blatantly lying it is and there no repercussions while the victim gets ruined . Will Hazel Chu and Aodhran o Riordan be as quick to apologise as they were to slander the teachers for " objectifying and shaming the girls "

Salvation Tambourine

newhouse87 wrote: »

So should sadlier not have apologized? Sure he is protecting himself but the rest didnt bother and just hope it will be swept under the carpet.

Yeah, the anger towards the one person to come out and actually apologize (and revise his apology to a better apology in response to a tweet) is really odd.

whippet

kildare lad wrote: »

I'd agree with the FF part but people should be held responsible for slandering people on Facebook or twitter . We live in an age were there seems to be less and less personal responsibility . They think they can say what they like, no matter how factually wrong/blatantly lying it is and there no repercussions while the victim gets ruined . Will Hazel Chu and Aodhran o Riordan be as quick to apologise as they were to slander the teachers for " objectifying and shaming the girls "

not a chance - Hazel will spin it as she was the real victim here .. she was dupped in to believing that there were pervert teachers in Carlow and she lost months of sleep wondering how she could safely bring up a child in this cruel world.

paw patrol

Salvation Tambourine wrote: »

Yeah, the anger towards the one person to come out and actually apologize (and revise his apology to a better apology in response to a tweet) is really odd.

Jill Kerby apologised and did so properly.
sadlier talked of feelings instead of the true allegation he made which was one of pedophilia. Go read it and tell me otherwise.

I have an immense dislike of Chu and o'Riordan and their ilk but they didn't say anything as bad as he did in this matter

archfi

As Hazel is wont to say, 'you can't be it if you can't see it'
Lets hope the the reverse is true here.
'Don't be it if you can see it'
Don't be Hazel.

newhouse87

paw patrol wrote: »

Jill Kerby apologised and did so properly.
sadlier talked of feelings instead of the true allegation he made which was one of pedophilia. Go read it and tell me otherwise.

I have an immense dislike of Chu and o'Riordan and their ilk but they didn't say anything as bad as he did in this matter

They still haven't admitted wrong, he has. Does sound however his allegation was worse, but all should apologize and wouldn't vilify the man that admits he was wrong and apologized while the others say nothing and will be again quick to jump to their conclusions when it suits. Sadlier likely will have learned his lesson, the others see no need to apologize so wont have leant anything from their behavior.

whippet

paw patrol wrote: »

I have an immense dislike of Chu and o'Riordan and their ilk but they didn't say anything as bad as he did in this matter

they are public representatives and have an implied duty of care to ensure what they are commenting on is actually a real story.

This is what annoys me the most ... Hazel Chu has 45k twitter followers ... she is actively looking to further her political career and the fact that she can spread a dangerous lie about some teachers in Carlow with a 10second tweet is crazy.

She has called out the social media companies to do something about racist tweets ... maybe now she sees that the problem isn't the platform - it's the users who generate the lies and hate

paw patrol

newhouse87 wrote: »

They still haven't admitted wrong, he has. Does sound however his allegation was worse, but all should apologize and wouldn't vilify the man that admits he was wrong and apologized while the others say nothing and will be again quick to jump to their conclusions when it suits. Sadlier likely will have learned his lesson, the others see no need to apologize so wont have leant anything from their behavior.

You make a fair point.
Sadlier did apologise and that should be accepted.

whippet wrote: »

they are public representatives and have an implied duty of care to ensure what they are commenting on is actually a real story.

This is what annoys me the most ... Hazel Chu has 45k twitter followers ... she is actively looking to further her political career and the fact that she can spread a dangerous lie about some teachers in Carlow with a 10second tweet is crazy.

She has called out the social media companies to do something about racist tweets ... maybe now she sees that the problem isn't the platform - it's the users who generate the lies and hate

Fully agree 100%.
chu is dangerous esp if you view what she said also about blanch shooting and others. ...blanch just more high profile.