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Remote working - the future?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,114 ✭✭✭PhilOssophy


    Even 40% of office workers going out of a city centre is massive, it means a huge change in spending and there definitely needs to be a major policy response from central government and local authorities. But the local authorities would be very lucky to keep the number at 40%.
    My concern is there will be a drift, with almost nothing done for a few years. It is very hard for local authorities to respond of course, but they need to plan for city centres with much less footfall now.

    Agree, but its also an opportunity for the often lowly paid retail worker to buy a house and live a decent life in a rural town for example. For years we've been told that Dublin is at capacity, and now that the tables have changed and there's opportunities for rural Ireland and for families to live and settle there like many generations before.

    This decrease in demand will also help in time potentailly reduce rents in cities, which will also help young people work and save while having a good time as well.

    Its a long overdue rebalancing of our country, doing what waffly Spatial Strategies (which cost the tax payer a fortune in consultants fees) failed to do.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,114 ✭✭✭PhilOssophy


    I really hope you're right.

    The WFH and no commuting has been a total gift, really felt like life was passing me by, stuck on a merry go round and every week just blended into one.

    I know it sounds a bit grandiose, but the wfh has been transformative. I don't ever think I've been this content, productive and just happy. You get so much more out of your life.

    I agree with this, I don't have a long or expensive commute (on a bike) but I'm definitely of the opinion that spending time with family is much more productive than with any work colleagues.

    That said, a day or two of headspace would do us all the world of good! :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,826 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    dashoonage wrote: »
    Lads, have people the inability to socially interact outside of the work environment or what's the crack ? Big bad world out there outside of the watercooler chats lads....

    This, people who I socialize with I choose to socialize with... work colleagues are just people I work with. Get on with some more then others, some I’ve considered work ‘friends’...

    They get forgotten about at 6pm each evening and I’d think about them not for a millisecond at the weekends..

    It’s mad how many people identify with a job, workplace and colleagues as an extreme social extension and almost family mindset....

    I go to work to earn, I just try and enjoy, have some craic and do what I need to...and leave.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,807 ✭✭✭Sunny Disposition


    I really hope you're right.

    The WFH and no commuting has been a total gift, really felt like life was passing me by, stuck on a merry go round and every week just blended into one.

    I know it sounds a bit grandiose, but the wfh has been transformative. I don't ever think I've been this content, productive and just happy. You get so much more out of your life.

    I don't think it's grandiose, I would say it has been transformative for a lot of people. If you save two to three hours a day that would be spent commuting that is life changing.
    But the real benefits will be felt when the restrictions ease. It happened on the hoof and people felt isolated not just because they didn't see work colleagues, but their social lives evaporated as well. Hopefully that'll be a thing of the past in a few weeks.
    TBH life DOES pass you by if all you're doing is working and commuting.


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    Strumms wrote: »
    This, people who I socialize with I choose to socialize with... work colleagues are just people I work with. Get on with some more then others, some I’ve considered work ‘friends’...

    They get forgotten about at 6pm each evening and I’d think about them not for a millisecond at the weekends..

    It’s mad how many people identify with a job, workplace and colleagues as an extreme social extension and almost family mindset....

    I go to work to earn, I just try and enjoy, have some craic and do what I need to...and leave.

    Exactly. I take my work seriously, I actually really enjoy the work I do and I feel fortunate to say that. But I consider my work colleagues to be just that... colleagues. Nice people. But we're a team, not best mates.

    I don't think about work AT ALL outside of work hours. I believe it's healthy to switch off like that, and I pity people who make work their whole life.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,994 ✭✭✭ambro25


    Del2005 wrote: »
    There's tax implications for companies if their staff are remotely working in different countries. So they'll make staff come in a few days to make sure that they are resident in the country where they are employed.
    You’re right, there are such tax implications, and they are frequently complex. But not sure how or why a company would make its employees come in to ‘make sure’ that they are ‘resident in the country where they are employed’.

    Residence is a personal choice and tax implications of cross-border working are a personal responsibility: the employer’s only liability in that context, is to make sure the correct deductions are made under (domestic) tax laws applicable to the employer, wherein any reconciliation to be made under double-taxation agreements is usually the employee’s responsibility.

    We get this a lot here in Luxembourg, wherein most offices have employees residing in France, Belgium and Germany, each of which has a different statutory maximum number of days allowed for work-from-home, before the employee must start paying income tax and social security contributions in their country of residence instead of Luxembourg.

    From memory, 29 days for French residents, 24 for Belgian residents and 19 days for German residents (these thresholds have been waved by each country since last year, in country-respective deals with Lux, but these “pandemic-only” exceptional arrangements are scheduled to end by end June 2021).

    Currently no idea if they’re going to continue or not, in modified form or not. Green-ification and worker sentiment is for continuation, but FR/BE/DE authorities want the €s / must shield local employers from Lux competition on job markets.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,645 ✭✭✭krissovo


    From Monday we will officially have no offices we have just been informed. Turns out they have spent the last 12 months re-modeling the old offices and they are now to be known as Innovation and Collaboration Hubs.

    In fairness they have done a great job and it looks a great place to work from when you need to as it is zoned for different uses. We have the following spaces: Customer, Collaboration, Focus, Connect & Social, Rest & relax, Wellbeing, learning zones

    We are all now officially home based and can claim travel expenses & hotel if needed when attending the hub.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,114 ✭✭✭PhilOssophy


    Strumms wrote: »
    This, people who I socialize with I choose to socialize with... work colleagues are just people I work with. Get on with some more then others, some I’ve considered work ‘friends’...

    They get forgotten about at 6pm each evening and I’d think about them not for a millisecond at the weekends..

    It’s mad how many people identify with a job, workplace and colleagues as an extreme social extension and almost family mindset....

    I go to work to earn, I just try and enjoy, have some craic and do what I need to...and leave.

    Agree with this. I think it might be an age thing though, when I was in my twenties, I was well up for a night out with fellow graduates. Including Coppers and the like.

    Now, I don't mind a quick pint or two after work maybe once a month or 6 weeks. But beyond that, I see work as paying bills and I've my own life outside of the place.

    I like my immediate team, but think my work colleagues beyond that are meh.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,114 ✭✭✭PhilOssophy


    The good thing is, that there's room for both in the new ways of working.
    If people want to work 100% remote, they will be able to find a role which will facilitate it.
    If people want to go into an office 5 days a week, thy will find a place which will facilitate it too.
    Both will have room in our post Covid world.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 989 ✭✭✭ineedeuro


    The good thing is, that there's room for both in the new ways of working.
    If people want to work 100% remote, they will be able to find a role which will facilitate it.
    If people want to go into an office 5 days a week, thy will find a place which will facilitate it too.
    Both will have room in our post Covid world.

    Most companies will offer both.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 538 ✭✭✭Young_gunner


    krissovo wrote: »
    From Monday we will officially have no offices we have just been informed. Turns out they have spent the last 12 months re-modeling the old offices and they are now to be known as Innovation and Collaboration Hubs.

    In fairness they have done a great job and it looks a great place to work from when you need to as it is zoned for different uses. We have the following spaces: Customer, Collaboration, Focus, Connect & Social, Rest & relax, Wellbeing, learning zones

    We are all now officially home based and can claim travel expenses & hotel if needed when attending the hub.

    the dream!


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    the dream!

    Isn't it though


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 989 ✭✭✭ineedeuro


    krissovo wrote: »
    From Monday we will officially have no offices we have just been informed. Turns out they have spent the last 12 months re-modeling the old offices and they are now to be known as Innovation and Collaboration Hubs.

    In fairness they have done a great job and it looks a great place to work from when you need to as it is zoned for different uses. We have the following spaces: Customer, Collaboration, Focus, Connect & Social, Rest & relax, Wellbeing, learning zones

    We are all now officially home based and can claim travel expenses & hotel if needed when attending the hub.

    :eek:
    If only my company woudl do the same


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,826 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    krissovo wrote: »
    From Monday we will officially have no offices we have just been informed. Turns out they have spent the last 12 months re-modeling the old offices and they are now to be known as Innovation and Collaboration Hubs.

    In fairness they have done a great job and it looks a great place to work from when you need to as it is zoned for different uses. We have the following spaces: Customer, Collaboration, Focus, Connect & Social, Rest & relax, Wellbeing, learning zones

    We are all now officially home based and can claim travel expenses & hotel if needed when attending the hub.

    Go in every day ;)

    If asked, “ sorry, I don’t have a suitable space / environment to work from at home.. :). SFA they could do about it legally.

    If they tried to sack / discipline they could be on a serious financial looser if you went the legal route.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,488 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    krissovo wrote: »
    We are all now officially home based and can claim travel expenses & hotel if needed when attending the hub.

    Have Revenue signed off on the expenses ?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 989 ✭✭✭ineedeuro


    Have Revenue signed off on the expenses ?

    Why would revenue get involved in expenses?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,776 ✭✭✭C3PO


    I really hope you're right.

    The WFH and no commuting has been a total gift, really felt like life was passing me by, stuck on a merry go round and every week just blended into one.

    I know it sounds a bit grandiose, but the wfh has been transformative. I don't ever think I've been this content, productive and just happy. You get so much more out of your life.

    And so you should definitely find a job that allows you to continue to work remotely. But it is becoming clear that full time working from home will not be a choice for the majority of office workers much as you would seem to wish for that.
    Can I ask whether you are so exercised because you are being put under pressure to return to the office?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,776 ✭✭✭C3PO


    The good thing is, that there's room for both in the new ways of working.
    If people want to work 100% remote, they will be able to find a role which will facilitate it.
    If people want to go into an office 5 days a week, thy will find a place which will facilitate it too.
    Both will have room in our post Covid world.

    Agreed - and that is how it should be. But people who want to work full time remotely may well have to move from their current role to achieve this - many companies will not facilitate that option, nor are they obliged to.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,793 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    Swindled wrote: »
    WFH on a large scale has finally exposed the sham of layer upon layer of bloated middle management and bureaucracy and enormous office and real estate requirements for what it is, employees knew it, and now Business owners know it as well.
    This is not necessarily a good thing though.....


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    kippy wrote: »
    This is not necessarily a good thing though.....

    Expand?


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,062 ✭✭✭blackcard


    I find it amazing that a lot of people have time to post on this thread during working hours. Will this be more or less likely if more people are working from home?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,793 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    blackcard wrote: »
    I find it amazing that a lot of people have time to post on this thread during working hours. Will this be more or less likely if more people are working from home?

    People have been posting on boards during working hours for decades. Some things will never change thankfully.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,793 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    Expand?

    Well how many jobs exist in organisations that don't really need to be there at all if you analyse it deeply? I am speaking in terms of private sector here as well as public sector. What happens to these people once they can be done without?
    Expanding it further, when you don't have centres of employment (lets just call it that) what happens to the support structures around these centres of employment. Much less economic activity supporting coffee shops, restaurants, bars etc etc and not all of this activity goes back to rural areas and gets spent elsewhere.
    Less jobs in general.
    Note: I am entirely pro work from home/employee choice but there will be some major changes associated with it IF it becomes widespread and not all of them positive, however I believe the positives do outweigh the negatives.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,811 ✭✭✭joe40


    Because of my job working from home won't be an option, but I think I would miss the interaction with colleagues.

    I think a hybrid model would be ideal for most (just my opinion). Limit the commutes but still retain the interaction between staff. This would be particularly important for new staff.

    For a lot of people moving to a new place, work is where you make first contacts and friends.

    I have colleagues who are also close friends and meet regularly outside of the workplace.


  • Registered Users Posts: 538 ✭✭✭Young_gunner


    C3PO wrote: »
    And so you should definitely find a job that allows you to continue to work remotely. But it is becoming clear that full time working from home will not be a choice for the majority of office workers much as you would seem to wish for that.
    Can I ask whether you are so exercised because you are being put under pressure to return to the office?

    I’m “exercised” as I see the enormous opportunity we are presented with to improve quality of life by allowing people to wrk fully remotely. I have yet to hear any coherent sensible argument to mandate people to return to any office for any amount of days. Do you have a coherent argument for same?

    Points around “culture” and “collaboration” all seem so nebulous and flimsy.

    (Btw, I’m here for a respectful discussion)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,084 ✭✭✭✭Mrs OBumble


    I’m

    Points around “culture” and “collaboration” all seem so nebulous and flimsy.)

    Why do they seem like that? Do you really not understand what ethos and values are. Are you such an individualist that you never work with other people - including inexperienced ones who need to learn how to apply theory in practice?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,645 ✭✭✭krissovo


    Have Revenue signed off on the expenses ?

    Why would I care? I work for a MNC I am sure they have done their homework.


  • Registered Users Posts: 538 ✭✭✭Young_gunner


    Why do they seem like that? Do you really not understand what ethos and values are. Are you such an individualist that you never work with other people - including inexperienced ones who need to learn how to apply theory in practice?

    I wonder has anyone not been able to do their job properly over the last 15 months due to wondering about ethos and values? I really don’t think so!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 824 ✭✭✭The chan chan man


    Graduates need to be in an office to learn from the older guys. Full time remote working is not sustainable or realistic. 1-2 days at home per week in manageable i think and that’s how we’ll be dealing with it from Sept on.


  • Registered Users Posts: 46 dkav9


    Graduates need to be in an office to learn from the older guys. Full time remote working is not sustainable or realistic. 1-2 days at home per week in manageable i think and that’s how we’ll be dealing with it from Sept on.

    why can't they learn over teams/sprout etc?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,776 ✭✭✭C3PO


    Points around “culture” and “collaboration” all seem so nebulous and flimsy.

    For many companies these would be huge considerations and far from nebulous - it could be argued that they are what distinguish one company from another!

    Personally, I be perfectly happy to work permanently remotely but I can see the impact that this has had on our organisation’s “culture” and “collaboration” over the last 15 months and it has not been positive! And so I will be agreeable to work a hybrid model which I think gives a very fair compromise!


  • Registered Users Posts: 538 ✭✭✭Young_gunner


    C3PO wrote: »
    For many companies these would be huge considerations and far from nebulous - it could be argued that they are what distinguish one company from another!

    Personally, I be perfectly happy to work permanently remotely but I can see the impact that this has had on our organisation’s “culture” and “collaboration” over the last 15 months and it has not been positive! And so I will be agreeable to work a hybrid model which I think gives a very fair compromise!
    In my firm we’ve been more productive than ever, and personally I’ve worked harder than ever.

    I’ve never once said to myself “I miss the culture”


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,845 ✭✭✭Antares35


    Why do they seem like that? Do you really not understand what ethos and values are. Are you such an individualist that you never work with other people - including inexperienced ones who need to learn how to apply theory in practice?

    I've been working with other people since March 2020. It just happens that we've also been WFH. You keep banging this drum that people who support home working are without ethos, values and team spirit but it's not true.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,084 ✭✭✭✭Mrs OBumble


    Antares35 wrote: »
    I've been working with other people since March 2020. It just happens that we've also been WFH. You keep banging this drum that people who support home working are without ethos, values and team spirit but it's not true.

    No I don't.

    They have a very strong ethos and values, based on individual happiness. Team spirit? The proof is in the pudding on that one.


  • Registered Users Posts: 17 steveasdf


    No I don't.

    They have a very strong ethos and values, based on individual happiness. Team spirit? The proof is in the pudding on that one.

    Are you trolling? To say this post is a massive generalisation would be an understatement to say the least..


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,845 ✭✭✭Antares35


    steveasdf wrote: »
    Are you trolling? To say this post is a massive generalisation would be an understatement to say the least..

    I didn't even know what that post meant it was so vague.


  • Registered Users Posts: 538 ✭✭✭Young_gunner


    so the current standings in the poll show that out of c.200 people, almost 47% want to work full time remote, 47% want a hybrid and 6% want a full return to the office.

    the times, they are a changing!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,615 ✭✭✭caviardreams


    In my firm we’ve been more productive than ever, and personally I’ve worked harder than ever.

    I’ve never once said to myself “I miss the culture”

    Culture isn't something you "miss" - it's the organisation's operating system, it's how work happens - the norms, expectations, behavior, standards. It takes a long time to develop and to change, and equally a long time to erode so it may not be noticeable in a year or two but 5 years+ of fully remote working and who knows what will happen in terms of expected behaviour and cultural norms imo.


  • Registered Users Posts: 538 ✭✭✭Young_gunner


    Culture isn't something you "miss" - it's the organisation's operating system, it's how work happens - the norms, expectations, behavior, standards. It takes a long time to develop and to change, and equally a long time to erode so it may not be noticeable in a year or two but 5 years+ of fully remote working and who knows what will happen in terms of expected behaviour and cultural norms imo.

    Again this is all so spurious and speculative


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,615 ✭✭✭caviardreams


    Again this is all so spurious and speculative

    Speculative - yes, and I actually said "who knows what will happen" :confused::confused: Nobody knows the long term effects - good or bad - so everything and every view on this is speculative imo (including your own)

    Spurious - can you really see into the future 5 years from now as to what the effect and impact will be for definite and know with 100% certainty that there won't be any negative effect?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,342 ✭✭✭markpb


    Again this is all so spurious and speculative

    Dismissing something as spurious and speculative because you don’t understand it is very naïve. I don’t understand string theory but I’m happy that it is a real thing and not just something physicist’s make up to keep themselves in a job.

    Likewise, the social interaction between people in any context (work, family, friends) is a real thing. The bond (whether you’re aware of it or not) between workers is a real thing. The ethos in a company is absolutely real. It’s the thing that makes people in a company behave a certain way, it influences how they relate to each other, how they feel about the company and its consumers, how they go about their work, how they behave under pressure and a whole host of other things. Even the most ardent individual contributor is shaped by these things, even if they’re unaware of it or deny its existence.

    Almost everyone is aware of toxic workplaces, why do people deny that positive workspaces and ethos and culture also exist? If you started a job in a company where people showed up late all the time, bitched about management and customers and made no effort to do a good job, do you think you wouldn’t be affected by that?

    It’s possible that a move to widespread WFH will happen and persist in the long term but no-one knows yet. It’s possible that people will flourish in that environment, that relationships can be created over Teams, that remote working is suitable for the masses and not just the people who choose to do it in the past and in companies that created the right environment for it to work. Only time will tell, anyone declaring success in 15 months is jumping the gun.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,776 ✭✭✭C3PO


    so the current standings in the poll show that out of c.200 people, almost 47% want to work full time remote, 47% want a hybrid and 6% want a full return to the office.

    the times, they are a changing!

    Ah here ... so the majority of people want to return to the office in some capacity and you are claiming a victory?

    I can guarantee you that if I put up a poll asking people whether they wanted to work a 3 day week the vast majority would think it was a great idea! But is it likely to happen any time soon - absolutely not! I’m afraid fully remote working for anyone who wants it is just as likely a scenario as a 3 day working week!


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,807 ✭✭✭Sunny Disposition


    Remote working is bound to be the future, just because it makes sense. The hybrid model makes sense too of course, to a point. But cutting out the need for office space offers massive cost savings, way too big to be passed up. The emergence of remote working is like finding a way out of paying your mortgage/rent but still keeping a roof over your head. That’s without the benefits of cutting out commuting times for workers, which is obviously good for productivity.

    It really needs to be embraced at all levels, rather than resisted. Business is competitive and global and companies who don’t embrace it will be at a major disadvantage. When there are problems those need to be dealt with without trying to turn the clock back to 2019.

    All this was coming anyway, but the pandemic brought it about at a pace too fast for some people to be comfortable with, which is a bit unfortunate, but can be dealt with.

    The Irish government really need to get onboard with it and help the transition, because we are so dependent on exports. We can’t afford to be laggards.

    There are few companies that won’t have had at least a few issues over the last year and there needs to be a sharing of information to help with the change. Small businesses in particular could do with some support and advice, but encouraged not to regress and and try to just go back to what they were doing pre-pandemic.

    On a societal level a lot of work needs to be done too. A lot of people’s lives are defined by work and the ensuing relationships, but those are not going to be as strong anymore. People will have more time and need to be helped to use that to develop replacement social relationships away from work.
    The internet has changed life dramatically in many ways already, this is the next wave, there are more positives than negatives, but there is a need to recognise that this is massive social/commercial change and to try and deal with the challenges.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,084 ✭✭✭✭Mrs OBumble


    When there are problems those need to be dealt with without trying to turn the clock back to 2019.
    All this was coming anyway, but the pandemic brought it about at a pace too fast for some people to be comfortable with, which is a bit unfortunate, but can be dealt with.

    A major problem is that most Irish houses are build without a separate office. Some people have a spare bedroom which can be converted. But many don't. And there's not exactly a glut of spare houses, with our without office space, at the moment.

    So how can that be dealt with? If you say regional hubs, please address the issue of who pays for the space they provide, and how employers still achieve savings if they have to pay for this.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,807 ✭✭✭Sunny Disposition


    A major problem is that most Irish houses are build without a separate office. Some people have a spare bedroom which can be converted. But many don't. And there's not exactly a glut of spare houses, with our without office space, at the moment.

    So how can that be dealt with? If you say regional hubs, please address the issue of who pays for the space they provide, and how employers still achieve savings if they have to pay for this.

    This is kind of what I was referring to in the post, people need to be supported to work in as comfortable a way as possible remotely, that needs to be a focus. Most office workers have done fairly well over the last year and the State can play a role in encouraging sharing of information, even at the level of showing people how to organise their homes, and definitely providing grants for desks/chairs. Realistically at this stage it’s fairly clear office work can be done remotely, it’s about doing it as well as possible now. Of course very few people have a separate office in their house, but that doesn’t mean people can’t work from home, millions of people around the world are doing it.

    I just think remote working is inevitable because of the cost savings first and foremost. Forty years ago two of my companies had offices in London and the rent was a massive pain. I had a small office in Belfast until a few months ago but closing that is a great help too, and the staff are doing fine so far. I encourage them to come to me with any remote working issues, it’s important to do that and support them. There’s no way firms are going to keep up offices if they don’t have to, it’d be madness. Even if they have to keep some physical place they’ll want it to be as small as possible.

    I think trying to argue against remote working rather than making it as easy as possible for everyone is a mistake some people could make for a while. Railing against it won’t help, accepting it and working to deal with the challenges is really the best option. It clearly can be done and it saves money and cuts out commuting time. There’s really no point arguing it can’t be done, it’s about helping people to adjust if it’s not easy for them.


  • Registered Users Posts: 538 ✭✭✭Young_gunner


    C3PO wrote: »
    Ah here ... so the majority of people want to return to the office in some capacity and you are claiming a victory?

    I can guarantee you that if I put up a poll asking people whether they wanted to work a 3 day week the vast majority would think it was a great idea! But is it likely to happen any time soon - absolutely not! I’m afraid fully remote working for anyone who wants it is just as likely a scenario as a 3 day working week!

    With respect, I think you're missing the point.

    re. a 3 day week, this isn't a fair comparison. People haven't been working a 3 day week for the last 15 months with no drop in productivity!

    Current Pole results show that only 5% want a full return to the office, and 47% want to work full time remotely with occasional visits to the office.

    but look, it's up to employees to make their case for what they want and employers to do the same.
    I think sensible Employers will afford trusted staff maximum flexibility.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,084 ✭✭✭✭Mrs OBumble


    ... the State can play a role in encouraging sharing of information, even at the level of showing people how to organise their homes

    ... I encourage them to come to me with any remote working issues

    ... it’s about helping people to adjust if it’s not easy for them.

    So advise me:

    I live in a small apartment. There is NO spare floor space to install a dedicated computer desk or any other furniture. It's a rental with minimum furniture anyway. I have my monitor propped on a shoe-box in the middle of the 2-person-size kitchen table. The laptop goes in front of it. There are about 9 square inches to the side for the mouse. When I'm working from home and on calls, my semi-retired partner has NO living area available for him to listen to the TV/radio/music - and he needs to not talk to me 'cos I'm thinking about work. We have a Part 4 tenancy in a RPZ, which I don't want to lose the benefits of - and besides there are very few properties available to rent. Renting an office in this area would cost me €600pcm or more, which I cannot afford.

    How should I "adjust" to make WFH viable?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,793 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    So advise me:

    I live in a small apartment. There is NO spare floor space to install a dedicated computer desk or any other furniture. It's a rental with minimum furniture anyway. I have my monitor propped on a shoe-box in the middle of the 2-person-size kitchen table. The laptop goes in front of it. There are about 9 square inches to the side for the mouse. When I'm working from home and on calls, my semi-retired partner has NO living area available for him to listen to the TV/radio/music - and he needs to not talk to me 'cos I'm thinking about work. We have a Part 4 tenancy in a RPZ, which I don't want to lose the benefits of - and besides there are very few properties available to rent. Renting an office in this area would cost me €600pcm or more.

    How should I "adjust" to make WFH viable?
    You can't do much really - you've been fairly steadfast in your opposition to it from the beginning so it's obviosuly something you have no time for.
    As such - you'll make decisions based on your own circumstances and priorities/requirements - which is totally fine.
    Others will do the same, and we'll all get along fine, just as we always have.


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    So advise me:

    I live in a small apartment. There is NO spare floor space to install a dedicated computer desk or any other furniture. It's a rental with minimum furniture anyway. I have my monitor propped on a shoe-box in the middle of the 2-person-size kitchen table. The laptop goes in front of it. There are about 9 square inches to the side for the mouse. When I'm working from home and on calls, my semi-retired partner has NO living area available for him to listen to the TV/radio/music - and he needs to not talk to me 'cos I'm thinking about work. We have a Part 4 tenancy in a RPZ, which I don't want to lose the benefits of - and besides there are very few properties available to rent. Renting an office in this area would cost me €600pcm or more, which I cannot afford.

    How should I "adjust" to make WFH viable?

    Get a smaller mouse?


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 989 ✭✭✭ineedeuro


    So advise me:

    I live in a small apartment. There is NO spare floor space to install a dedicated computer desk or any other furniture. It's a rental with minimum furniture anyway. I have my monitor propped on a shoe-box in the middle of the 2-person-size kitchen table. The laptop goes in front of it. There are about 9 square inches to the side for the mouse. When I'm working from home and on calls, my semi-retired partner has NO living area available for him to listen to the TV/radio/music - and he needs to not talk to me 'cos I'm thinking about work. We have a Part 4 tenancy in a RPZ, which I don't want to lose the benefits of - and besides there are very few properties available to rent. Renting an office in this area would cost me €600pcm or more, which I cannot afford.

    How should I "adjust" to make WFH viable?

    Go wireless


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