Not Guilty by reason of Insanity READ OP FIRST

knucklehead6

Deirdre Morley has been found not guilty by reason of insanity

https://www.rte.ie/news/2021/0520/1222776-deirdre-morley-court/

Mod

Far too much whataboutery and strawmanning taking place in this thread. Please cut it out and discuss the topic at hand.

Also far too much uncivil discussion here as well. Express your feelings and opinions on the topic by all means, but keep it civil. I have and will continue to card anyone wishing harm to other people in this thread.

Finally, please remember that a) everyone involved in this case (including her husband) has accepted her insanity in this case and b) family and friends who have suffered a terrible tragedy could conceivably be reading your comments.

NIMAN

There's not much that can be said about this entire case.

I read the details of it the other night, and it affected me a lot. So sad.
Innocent lives taken by someone they trusted the most in the world.

Her and her husband now have to try to live their lives, irrespective of the verdict.

May they rest in peace.

The One Doctor

knucklehead6 wrote: »

Deirdre Morley has been found not guilty by reason of insanity

Look after your mental health and please tell someone you trust if you feel bad.

My dad tried to strangle me when I was a kid, his cousin tried to kill all his kids with a knife.

Immortal Starlight

I definitely do not agree with this verdict. She should have been found guilty.

Immortal Starlight

Immortal Starlight wrote: »

I definitely do not agree with this verdict. She should have been found guilty.

Why?
In your expert opinion?

Car99

The One Doctor wrote: »

That doesn't mean she'll be released, just that she'll be in Dundrum/Portrane for the rest of her life.

It does not mean she will spend the rest of her life locked up. Once she is deemed medically fit to return to society she will be allowed out of hospital.

MrMusician18

Given that the experts from both sides agreed, this was the likely verdict.

Car99

Immortal Starlight wrote: »

I definitely do not agree with this verdict. She should have been found guilty.

Good job you weren't on the jury or any jury for that matter.

knucklehead6

The One Doctor wrote: »

That doesn't mean she'll be released, just that she'll be in Dundrum/Portrane for the rest of her life.

I doubt it.

I remember when it happened having a great deal of sympathy for her, probably as i knew of someone who's partner was having a lot of difficulty with her own infant son. As time has moved on, maybe i've become more cynical/jaded.

It's her husband who my sympathy is reserved for

Immortal Starlight

bubblypop wrote: »

Why?
In your expert opinion?

She has committed three murders.

iamwhoiam

Immortal Starlight wrote: »

I definitely do not agree with this verdict. She should have been found guilty.

Three psychiatrists for the defence and prosecution disagree with you .

punisher5112

The One Doctor wrote: »

That doesn't mean she'll be released, just that she'll be in Dundrum/Portrane for the rest of her life.

She did a terrible thing and I hope she dies a terrible death.

***********

Look after your mental health and please tell someone you trust if you feel bad.

My dad tried to strangle me when I was a kid, his cousin tried to kill all his kids with a knife.

That is terrible, hope you can live with that ok... Or as well as one can expect.

Such a horrible thing for you to have gone through and the other family too.....

Immortal Starlight

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Three psychiatrists for the defence and prosecution disagree with you .

I don’t care

Immortal Starlight

Immortal Starlight wrote: »

She has committed three murders.

But she has been deemed by the court to have been insane at the time.
So why do you think that the experts, the jury and the court is wrong?

Curse These Metal Hands

At least Ireland is slowly starting to understand the seriousness of mental illness. Heartened to see no character assassinations in the papers this time. Alan Hawe was found to be severely mentally ill by leading psychiatrist Dr. Kennedy but that didn't stop some disgraceful articles being written. People on here were determined to reject his opinion because "evil." We need to try to understand why these types of crimes keep happening.

We need better mental health supports in Ireland.

Mental Mickey

Immortal Starlight wrote: »

I don’t care

Says keyboard warrior legal "expert ".

bubblypop

bubblypop wrote: »

But she has been deemed by the court to have been insane at the time.
So why do you think that the experts, the jury and the court is wrong?

Because he's emotional and his emotions are more important than anything.

TheValeyard

I do wonder what broke inside her. What triggered this horrific sequence of events.

I dont wish death upon her as others have said. I'd say her own mind will be her prison the rest of her life.

God love that father who has lost everything he ever cared for, I have such sympathy for him.

RIP to those little souls.

Another case where the murdered kids are just an output of a parent's mental health

We need a long hard discussion in this country about the rights of children not to be raised by parents whose diagnosis and care takes precedence over their own safety- be that diagnosis mental health, addiction, whatever

The way that the media/online discussed these cases when its the mother vs when its the father is also a stark contrast that needs a long hard look

StevenToast

This was an awful case...3 beautiful children robbed of their lives...

If the father had committed this crime, i wonder would it be the same outcome?

Awful tragedy..RIP to those 3 little kids.

spookwoman

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Three psychiatrists for the defence and prosecution disagree with you .

Her psychiatrists also thought she was doing fine.

One comment that stuck with me yesterday was if it had been the father who had killed those children would there be the same level of sympathy or the same verdict.

StupidLikeAFox

NIMAN wrote: »

There's not much that can be said about this entire case.

I read the details of it the other night, and it affected me a lot. So sad.
Innocent lives taken by someone they trusted the most in the world.

Her and her husband now have to try to live their lives, irrespective of the verdict.

May they rest in peace.

It takes a lot to be shocked these days but I had a lump in my throat reading the details. Literally closed the laptop and sat in silence for a few minutes. These are the worst two details I thought, and I've put them in spoiler tags because they are gruesome:

The husband coming home to what he thought was his wife who had been in a car crash, and noticing the child's legs sticking out from a play tent and then the guards finding the childs soother in the plastic bag using to strangle her

Immortal Starlight

Mental Mickey wrote: »

Says keyboard warrior legal "expert ".

I have not claimed to be an expert on anything. I have an opinion which I’m entitled to hold.

Dyr

NIMAN wrote: »

Her and her husband now have to try to live their lives, irrespective of the verdict.

May they rest in peace.

Yeah, so racked with guilt that she's still breathing gods air. Poor her.

The POS men who murder their families don't get this "poor cratur" treatement and most of them at least had to decency to top themselves as well.

**** her and the horse she rode in. She's still alive and those kids are not.

Immortal Starlight

Deleted User wrote: »

Because he's emotional and his emotions are more important than anything.

No her 3 children’s lives are the most important thing.

Oranage2

spookwoman wrote: »

Her psychiatrists also thought she was doing fine.

One comment that stuck with me yesterday was if it had been the father who had killed those children would there be the same level of sympathy or the same verdict.

If the father did it he'd be a monster, that's why I've to put my feelings aside and label her a monster too

FlubberJones

This is a sickening crime and the woman will have to live with it for the rest of her life... this is the only positive that will come out of this.

The father on the other hand... dear me, how does he move on with this in the back of his mind....

randd1

Probably the right verdict given her extreme mental state. She should spend a very long time in psychiatric care as she's clearly a serious danger to herself and others.

That being said, if she were a man I'd have no doubt there would have been a guilty verdict.

I see this going the usual route

"The court has ruled and technically its correct and experts have said it so anyone who has an issue with it is either ignorant or a monster"

That wont help the next three kids and bear in mind before that high horse runs off with you on it that the person commenting may have very relevant experience in being raised by parents where the latter's diagnosis and treatment came before the child's wellbeing.

Immortal Starlight

Immortal Starlight wrote: »

I have not claimed to be an expert on anything. I have an opinion which I’m entitled to hold.

Your opinion is that all the experts, the jury and the courts are wrong.

CrabRevolution

Curse These Metal Hands wrote: »

At least Ireland is slowly starting to understand the seriousness of mental illness. Heartened to see no character assassinations in the papers this time. Alan Hawe was found to be severely mentally ill by leading psychiatrist Dr. Kennedy but that didn't stop some disgraceful articles being written. We need to try to understand why these types of crimes keep happening.

We need better mental health supports in Ireland.

There's a pretty obvious reason Hawe was vilified and this case is the opposite, and it's not that we've become more sensitive as a nation....

Immortal Starlight

Immortal Starlight wrote: »

No her 3 children’s lives are the most important thing.

Will your posts bring them back?

randd1

randd1 wrote: »

Probably the right verdict given her extreme mental state. At the very least, she should spend a long time in psychiatric care as she's clearly a serious danger to herself and others.

That being said, if she were a man I'd have no doubt there would have been a guilty verdict.

Fathers have also been found insane in similar circumstances

BabysCoffee

Immortal Starlight wrote: »

I definitely do not agree with this verdict. She should have been found guilty.

The judge who gave guidance to the jury would disagree with you

maxsmum

Curse These Metal Hands wrote: »

We need to try to understand why these types of crimes keep happening.

We need better mental health supports in Ireland.

I think mental health services can only work with what patients tell them. It said multiple times in this case that she never disclosed her true suicidal / homicidal feelings to the medical profession. It sounds like she had plenty of involvement with mental health services.

gibgodsman

I don't think most her understand the law, she was never going to be found guilty because simply put she is insane, and she has been found insane, she will spend the rest of her life in a mental institution where she belongs, Jail isn't suitable for people like her

She could never have been found guilty of murder due to the fact anyone with a brain could tell she was bat**** crazy

Curse These Metal Hands

CrabRevolution wrote: »

There's a pretty obvious reason Hawe was vilified and this case is the opposite, and it's not that we've become more sensitive as a nation....

I do remember on a note he left he wrote that the family would be too impacted by his death and he had to take them too. This was apparently down to toxic masculinity.. Almost identical to the reasoning Deirdre Morley offered.

Many people claimed the level of planning involved was proof he was sane too.

Immortal Starlight

Deleted User wrote: »

Will your posts bring them back?

Why would they?

spookwoman

Oranage2 wrote: »

If the father did it he'd be a monster, that's why I've to put my feelings aside and label her a monster too

To smother / stangle a person takes time and to do that 3 times takes a special kind of monster.

Seeking help knowing something was wrong and then regretting and wanting to turn back time to me means she knows the difference between what's right and what's wrong and should have been charged with murder.

namloc1980

gibgodsman wrote: »

I don't think most her understand the law, she was never going to be found guilty because simply put she is insane, and she has been found insane, she will spend the rest of her life in a mental institution where she belongs, Jail isn't suitable for people like her

She could never have been found guilty of murder due to the fact anyone with a brain could tell she was bat**** crazy

That is not at all certain yet. The judge is going to review the next steps on the 31st May and an updated report from the Central Mental Hospital.

piplip87

She wrote to note apologising about the murders and left a note on the door asking the husband to call 911. She also tried to kill the kids the day before.

Not guilty by reason of insanity infers that the person was not aware of the difference between right and wrong. Surely an apology note backs up the fact that she know it was wrong.

The similarities between this case and the Alan Hawe murders are there for all to see. I wonder if he survived would he be found not guilty by reason of insanity?

maxsmum

gibgodsman wrote: »

she has been found insane, she will spend the rest of her life in a mental institution where she belongs,

well, she was found insane at the time she committed the murders.
She will be released when she is no longer deemed a risk, and the reports mentioned she responded very well to treatment soon after the incident, so she could be released tomorrow in theory.

SEPT 23 1989

I don't have much sympathy for a triple murderer

The Raging Bile Duct

gibgodsman wrote: »

I don't think most her understand the law, she was never going to be found guilty because simply put she is insane, and she has been found insane, she will spend the rest of her life in a mental institution where she belongs, Jail isn't suitable for people like her

She could never have been found guilty of murder due to the fact anyone with a brain could tell she was bat**** crazy

Why do you think she's going to spend the rest of her time in a mental institution? In her testimony she talked of being put onto new medication after she was arrested that seems to have stop her psychosis completely. Medication that they were able to proscribe her once they knew the full extent of her mental health issues - something she had been keeping hidden from everyone - including her psychiatrist - because of the shame she felt.

spookwoman

spookwoman wrote: »

To smother / stangle a person takes time and to do that 3 times takes a special kind of monster.

Seeking help knowing something was wrong and then regretting and wanting to turn back time to me means she knows the difference between what's right and what's wrong and should have been charged with murder.

She was.......

namloc1980

Whatever about the younger 2 but after killing them she picked up the eldest lad from school, bought him his lunch in a shop, then took him home and killed him. Completely pre-meditated.

volchitsa

Curse These Metal Hands wrote: »

At least Ireland is slowly starting to understand the seriousness of mental illness. Heartened to see no character assassinations in the papers this time. Alan Hawe was found to be severely mentally ill by leading psychiatrist Dr. Kennedy but that didn't stop some disgraceful articles being written. People on here were determined to reject his opinion because "evil." We need to try to understand why these types of crimes keep happening.

We need better mental health supports in Ireland.

How do you diagnose someone after their death?

Infini

gibgodsman wrote: »

I don't think most her understand the law, she was never going to be found guilty because simply put she is insane, and she has been found insane, she will spend the rest of her life in a mental institution where she belongs, Jail isn't suitable for people like her

She could never have been found guilty of murder due to the fact anyone with a brain could tell she was bat**** crazy

It's just horrific that this could have been prevented had there been intervention or facilities to take her in before this happened. She was known to be having difficulties but it got worse and intervention wasn't taken sooner. We badly need an overhaul in the whole mental health system and approach, the amount of junkies and that I see around town for example screams at how badly the country fails at taking these kinds off the street and getting them help so for someone like this to get intervention sooner is a shocking failure.

RIP to the poor kids.

BPKS

StevenToast wrote: »

This was an awful case...3 beautiful children robbed of their lives...

If the father had committed this crime, i wonder would it be the same outcome?

Awful tragedy..RIP to those 3 little kids.

I doubt it.

There mood around the story would be more towards anger rather than sympathy.

volchitsa

volchitsa wrote: »

How do you diagnose someone after their death?

About as reliably as you do before it, if the results of allowing these people access to vulnerable children is any evidence

spookwoman

maxsmum wrote: »

well, she was found insane at the time she committed the murders.
She will be released when she is no longer deemed a risk, and the reports mentioned she responded very well to treatment soon after the incident, so she could be released tomorrow in theory.

Can you fully trust her to keep taking the meds and to tell the truth to her psychiatrists after what she has done. She lied to her family and psychiatrists.