What’s the best diet for weight loss ?

lapua20grain

Calorific deficit along with exercise is the only way to lose weight, none of keto nonsense.

BabysCoffee

lapua20grain wrote: »

Calorific deficit along with exercise is the only way to lose weight, none of keto nonsense.

What about the heart health benefits of eating fat?

lapua20grain

BabysCoffee wrote: »

What about the heart health benefits of eating fat?

A calorific deficit does not rule out carbs or fat it means that you monitor what you eat and use more calories than you put in to your body.

bladespin

lapua20grain wrote: »

Calorific deficit along with exercise is the only way to lose weight, none of keto nonsense.

It's not nonsense, it's just another way to create a calorific deficit.

lapua20grain

lapua20grain wrote: »

A calorific deficit does not rule out carbs or fat it means that you monitor what you eat and use more calories than you put in to your body.

I know as I have done it for the last year, I didn't change what I ate but the volume of food changed and as a result I've lost 41 kilos in a year.

lapua20grain

bladespin wrote: »

It's not nonsense, it's just another way to create a calorific deficit.

Is it sustainable over the long term?

bladespin

lapua20grain wrote: »

Is it sustainable over the long term?

Not for me lol, hated it after just a few hours but for some it definitely is, there's almost a religious nature to the way some look at it.

Warbeastrior

Whats the point in living if you follow Keto.

lapua20grain

bladespin wrote: »

Not for me lol, hated it after just a few hours but for some it definitely is, there's almost a religious nature to the way some look at it.

And that the thing, there is so much you can't eat with it but with just going for a deficit means that there are no banned foods just common sense.

bladespin

lapua20grain wrote: »

And that the thing, there is so much you can't eat with it but with just going for a deficit means that there are no banned foods just common sense.

Again, it's whatever works for the individual, I knew very early that it wasn't for me but, as said, some love it.

Macy0161

lapua20grain wrote: »

Is it sustainable over the long term?

For an individual it may be. Wouldn't be for me, same as IF or low carb. What's sustainable is very individual.

fwiw, what worked for me is everything in moderation/ no banned foods or food groups. But for other people, calorie counting/ food weighing/ portion control isn't sustainable.

My problem isn't with different methods, its proponents trying to put added, unproven, benefits on top. I really don't get what's so hard about the phrase "what worked for me" without having to convert people to an ideology or justify it.

El_Duderino 09

I've found fasting very effective. I've been on the 16:8 solidly since October. If nothing else it means you cut out late night snacks.

I've also tried some longer fasts like 24, 36 and 48 hour fasts. They're obviously good for weightloss but not sure if they're healthy. There's loads of stuff on YouTube about extended fasting and an occasional long-fast doesn't seem to be any harm to the body (assuming you're relatively healthy to begin with). There are suggested benefits such as autophagy and general anti aging effects. But I'm not a doctor so I'm not advising anything.

It worked fine for me but my Mrs was skeptical that I had developed an eating disorder when I told her I was going to do some fasts. She felt better when she saw me eating normally the rest of the time.

Edit just to keep up with the tone of the thread: fasting is the only way to lose weight, anyone who disagrees should get a proper education on YouTube. /joke.

Cill94

Macy0161 wrote: »

My problem isn't with different methods, its proponents trying to put added, unproven, benefits on top. I really don't get what's so hard about the phrase "what worked for me" without having to convert people to an ideology or justify it.

This is exactly the issue.

Unfortunately, they don't want to listen to reason, because then they'd have to admit that there are many ways of losing fat. Ways that would have allowed them to enjoy the food they've convinced themselves is evil.

It's a shame some people can't learn to just moderate the tasty stuff, but I also can't give them a free pass to misinform people.

Mellor

lapua20grain wrote: »

Calorific deficit along with exercise is the only way to lose weight, none of keto nonsense.

A calorie deficit and keto and not opposing ideas though.
Keto works by creating a deficit.

Some find it helpful. It’s not going to be for everyone.
People like over complicating things.

Warbeastrior

Warbeastrior wrote: »

Whats the point in living if you follow Keto.

Your point in living becomes telling other people about how great Keto is. :P

I don't have a major problem with it. Have done it in the past when I was younger and lived on my own, but your entire life revolves around the way you eat. Really has an impact on socialising and family life.

ReturnOfThe

ReturnOfThe wrote: »

It's a highly processed food so explains your slavish addiction to it !

If cream cheese, greek yogurt and bran flakes is as highly processed as my diet goes, then I have no problem with being addicted :pac:

Macy0161

Basil3 wrote: »

If cream cheese, greek yogurt and bran flakes is as highly processed as my diet goes, then I have no problem with being addicted :pac:

Seriously, where's the recipe!

Macy0161

Macy0161 wrote: »

Seriously, where's the recipe!

Sent you a message

markmoto

Minime2.5 wrote: »

Lucy8080

Heres an educational video for you

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-eq8VObUFsk

By the way just in case you think otherwise

1. The earth is not flat

2. The theory of evolution is correct

You posted video about myth of carbohydrates?

Btw educational info for you,

1. There is essential amino acids
2. Essential fatty acids

But there is no essential Carbohydrates/Sugar
In fact sugar very addictive and shown in mice studies over perform cocaine.

markmoto

Cill94 wrote: »

This is exactly the issue.

Unfortunately, they don't want to listen to reason, because then they'd have to admit that there are many ways of losing fat. Ways that would have allowed them to enjoy the food they've convinced themselves is evil.

It's a shame some people can't learn to just moderate the tasty stuff, but I also can't give them a free pass to misinform people.

Is not about learn. Majority of obese people for variety(hormonal,neurology etc) reasons can't moderate. It doesn't work. Especially if they grown up being obese.

Macy0161

markmoto wrote: »

In fact sugar very addictive and shown in mice studies over perform cocaine.

Even that study was problematic. Notwithstanding it showed "some evidence" with rodents and not with bloody humans!

Macy0161

To paraphrase the aforementioned Ben Carpenter - people crave foods that are tasty as f*ck!

Anyway (to post again as it's way/ whey up the thread) - Ben Carpenter and Graeme Tomlinson (The Fitness Chef) do regular (science based) take downs of this type of nonsense. Graeme Tomlinson also very good on food choices with his infographics.

Mellor

OmegaGene wrote: »

never see anyone going to the kitchen for an old spoon of the whits stuff or straight out of the bag or even fruit which is rich in sugar

I’ve also never seen a person on the streets turning tricks for a sugar fix. It’s “as addictive”...

Cill94

markmoto wrote: »

Is not about learn. Majority of obese people for variety(hormonal,neurology etc) reasons can't moderate. It doesn't work. Especially if they grown up being obese.

I’m aware

Minime2.5

Mellor wrote: »

Keto works by creating a deficit.

Keto works if you create a deficit

Minime2.5

markmoto wrote: »

You posted video about myth of carbohydrates?

Btw educational info for you,

1. There is essential amino acids
2. Essential fatty acids

But there is no essential Carbohydrates/Sugar
In fact sugar very addictive and shown in mice studies over perform cocaine.

But what if you enjoy eating carbs? Oatmeal , Potatoes, Fruit, Yogurt because make no mistake you can eat these types of carbs and loose weight , if you believe otherwise, your deluded

Carbs are the preferred source of fuel for the brain, your body can convert protein into sugar through gluconeogenesis by why bother when you just eat carbs. Carbs are packed with nutrients and electrolytes . The addictive nature of carbs comes only when fat is also combined, chips, burgers, crisps cakes and why are you mentioning mice studies , there is no real world evidence to support the claim that carbs are addictive to humans or perhaps you know a few oatmeal and apple junkies where you live?

Alf Veedersane

markmoto wrote: »

In fact sugar very addictive and shown in mice studies over perform cocaine.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0149763414002140


"there is currently insufficient scientific evidence to label any common food, ingredient, micronutrient, standard food additive or combination of ingredients as addictive."

Mellor

Minime2.5 wrote: »

Keto works if you create a deficit

Birds fly by flapping their wings.
Birds fly if they flap their wings.

Seems to be two ways to say the same thing.
Only that latter makes less sense as a response to the previous post.
I mean, if we’re going to be pedantic keto doesn’t need a deficit at all if you’re not trying to lose weight.

markmoto

Minime2.5 wrote: »

But what if you enjoy eating carbs? Oatmeal , Potatoes, Fruit, Yogurt because make no mistake you can eat these types of carbs and loose weight , if you believe otherwise, your deluded

Carbs are the preferred source of fuel for the brain, your body can convert protein into sugar through gluconeogenesis by why bother when you just eat carbs. Carbs are packed with nutrients and electrolytes . The addictive nature of carbs comes only when fat is also combined, chips, burgers, crisps cakes and why are you mentioning mice studies , there is no real world evidence to support the claim that carbs are addictive to humans or perhaps you know a few oatmeal and apple junkies where you live?

Are you looking to lose weight only or enhance & prolong quality of your life as well?
Apparently ketogenic diet offer all that, carbs not.

markmoto

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0149763414002140


"there is currently insufficient scientific evidence to label any common food, ingredient, micronutrient, standard food additive or combination of ingredients as addictive."

Experts Agree: Sugar Might Be as Addictive as Cocaine
https://www.healthline.com/health/food-nutrition/experts-is-sugar-addictive-drug#What-is-an-addiction?


Why Is Sugar Addiction A Problem?
https://www.addictioncenter.com/drugs/sugar-addiction/#:~:text=Signs%20of%20a%20Sugar%20Addiction&text=The%20clearest%20signs%20of%20sugar,stressful%20or%20irritating%20life%20experiences.



And why Gov put taxes on Sugar & Tobacco ?
https://www.thejournal.ie/sugar-tax-revenue-5212076-Sep2020/#:~:text=The%20aim%20of%20the%20tax,behaviours%20around%20consuming%20sugary%20drinks.
https://apps.who.int/iris/bitstream/handle/10665/260253/WHO-NMH-PND-16.5Rev.1-eng.pdf;jsessionid=A0F5C33B177A93BC7FC5B07F4BF4B5DE?sequence=1