Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

ClosedAccountFuzzy

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117622189#Comment_117622189

Well, then you take your chances and don’t complain to anyone if you turned it down and subsequently get a bad dose of COVID and, let’s hope they don’t clog up the hospitals, preventing people needing, say heart surgery, from getting access to ICU beds, which is the reality of it.

Clogging ICU unnecessarily, apart from taking your own life into your hands means someone who might say need an urgent bypass or valve surgery doesn’t get it and has to wait and may die as a result.

My view of it is the choice is a selfish and unscientific one. Don’t take it if you don’t want, but don’t think it has no consequences.

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117622226#Comment_117622226

Would you not be comcerned your kids might pass covid onto unvaccinated waiting staff?

ClosedAccountFuzzy

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117622291#Comment_117622291

I honestly don’t think they should be opening indoor dining with unvaccinated staff. It seems like a huge duty of care breech by the government. At the very least all hospitality staff should be offered immediate registration for vaccines.

CruelSummer

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117622264#Comment_117622264

ISAG are out of the traps first chance they get. Tomás Ryan falsely claimed Covid causes Autism in pregnancy on an ISAG video recently with no evidence whatsoever. He also claimed hundreds of children would die in Ireland last summer on Prime Time which was swiftly debunked by Sunitra Gupta plus a little thing called facts, figures and data. He suggested we treat every Covid case like a ‘murder’ in January 2021, and still continues to this day to claim we should go ‘Zero Covid’ while we’ve an open border to NI & Common Travel Area to U.K.

On analysis of what this ‘Zero Covid’ utopia would look like to ISAG - it seems they would like a Chinese style of Governance without Democratic institutions.

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117622291#Comment_117622291

At some point in life, we’ve all been responsible for spreading a cold/flu that eventually killed someone.

We just weren’t hysterical about it before Covid.

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117622321#Comment_117622321

I honestly agree,the only politians who spoken anything approaching sense on this are paul murphy and PBP

Their wrong on plenty stuff,but dead right on saying noone should have to risk their health/welfare in work

mcsean2163

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I don't understand this at all. Assuming you're referring to under 45s group, there's virtually no risk of death to them. Much more likely to die in a road accident than from covid19.

Are you suggesting nobody should be allowed drive and if not why not?

Wolf359f

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117622321#Comment_117622321

Why is it a huge duty of care breach?

There are many occupations where staff have to deal with the public but don't get fast tracked for vaccination....

Some even have to spend time extremely close.... Barbers trimming beards etc....

Shouldn't they be first before dining staff?

So where is the risk? Dining staff have been working along side unvaccinated staff for months, all wearing a mask.

But now that vaccinated people are on the premises and inside.....so you feel it's the vaccinated people posing a risk to the staff?

duffman13

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The second bit is nonsense. Murphy and Co. were/are banging the zero covid drum so would support anything that aligns with that. Hospitality staff should have been given an option to register for a vaccine as an effort to speed up reopening but there's no guarantee they accept it either.

People have a choice to go back to work and the vast majority of people I know who work in hospitality just want something of the summer to trade off

ClosedAccountFuzzy

I’d argue all of that was too. Someone’s haircut was more important than protecting the staff.

It shows a very biased towards middle aged people type of thinking by government.

The reality is that a lot of people in front line jobs, with high levels of covid risk, are younger and they were just abandoned to be last in line for vaccines. It’s the same “I’m alright, Jack!” attitude you see in housing too. The twenty-somethings are seen as collateral damage.

Hospitality seems worse, as it’s potentially crowded and most people don’t go for a haircut after a few beers…

I honestly think the way we approached not vaccinating front line staff, including dentists and dental nurses in the early roll out was abysmal.

There should have been an occupational risk cohort done as priority. I would have gladly waited a few weeks for my shot as I am at low risk and can avoid exposure risk quite easily.

It’s all a bit late now, they’ll be vaccinated in due course, but I can see this playing out into political consequences for government parties if Delta proves to be a problem.

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Put it another way,if covid was relistted as a workplace illness,and anyone who caught it there was allowed to sue for illness/sick caught at work.....would publicans be shouting from rooftop to reopen?

The uk come out today and said 50% those hospitilised,even among young had long term consequences in organs etc.....

a few weeks and the risks are virtually elimanted with completion of vaccination.....

paul murphy is a lone voice of sense who deosnt want to put unvaccinated people at risk in work,i feel the position is meritable tbh

giveitholly

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Paul Murphy was never and never will be a lone voice of sense

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Agh the zero covid thing we werent allowed do,as we would be in long term on/off lockdowns....liberials really showed him up there🤣🤣🤣

Noone should have to risk their health in work,i dont understand the pushback againest this concept,theres a massive industry built around health and safety and teachers were rightly prepared to walk off job a few months ago over it.....why should bar staff be different

Richmond Ultra

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I'm down in Kerry this evening and the talk in a number of pubs which I sampled produce in was that some of the hotel's out Muckross direction have been hammered by Covid this week and are possibly short staff for the weekend.

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117622453#Comment_117622453

He's usually fairly good to cut swades through bullshít and political correctness and tell it like it is

Kinda refreshing to see someone like that who isnt an out-and-out money/business obsessed man

ClosedAccountFuzzy

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117622460#Comment_117622460

Basically comes down to a sort of a class system at play. People want their drinks and their pub atmosphere, and they don’t care about the 18 year old glass collector or the bar person who has to serve them or the person who has to clean up their puke either.

They just want beer to magically appear in a glass. They have their vaccine and that’s all that matters.

Arghus

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To be fair to him he did bring up potential problems with meat factories last year in The Dáil before it actually became a problem and he was roundly castigated at the time for talking down the Great Irish meat industry with its impeccable safety standards...

Not saying the man isn't full of it or that I'd ever consider voting for him maybe it was as much a case of one thing out of the many things he said actually turning out right.

duffman13

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Teachers went back to work and weren't offered anything to entice them to do so. Retail staff have been in work for months and have thousands of contacts on a weekly basis and are generally lower paid younger workers. Hospitality is a huge industry and isn't just young people either

I'm not getting into liberal/socialist bullshit your angling at there either. Murphy advocated up to about 3 months ago for a zero covid approach. It had a slim chance at the start of the pandemic but never really after last summer. I have family in Melbourne and zero covid worked in parts but their lockdowns were/are awful. They also know they can't leave the country and get back until at least mid 2022.

Wolf359f

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I'm sorry I disagree.

All the data points to age being the highest risk factor of complications from Covid. Yes certain jobs have a higher exposure, but age was the biggest risk.

With the obvious exception of HCW's.

Dentists, dental hygienists and dental clerical staff were and are all deemed HCW's, and along with GP's , their nurses and receptionists were all vaccinated along with hospital staff.... They are all HCW's thet were top of the list. Was the rollout still abysmal? or was it abysmal because they got preference over young and healthy hospitality staff?

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Hospitaility is however rightly or wrongly over whelmingly young people

Do retail staff work in an envirnoment where people will have no masks for majority of time??....the comparison is heavily laboured at best otherwise

Anyone who seen the snapchats of the euro final will know what a farce and likelyhood social distancing will be

I feel its foolish and wrong to expect people to risk their health in work tbh,for sake of few weeks until the staff are vaccinated (those who want one),deosnt make sense to me anyway..

ClosedAccountFuzzy

Beyond the most vulnerable ages, we could have started looking towards vulnerable occupations.

The high risk groups in terms of age are geriatrics (in medical terminology). When you start getting into 50s, 40s etc the risks aren’t significantly different to 30s and 20s.

We went through the under 60s in reverse chronological order mostly because it was bureaucratically easier than identifying riskier groups.

At this stage, the 20 somethings will be vaccinated in a few weeks anyway so it’s too late to even worry about it, but I think we misstepped as it could have protected people more effectively and also speeded up aspects of reopening.

Obvious groups were teachers, gardai, security staff, hairdressers/barbers and similar and hospitality staff.

MisterScorpio

wow!

duffman13

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Hotels and indoor hospitality has been open for weeks in hotels for 6 or 7 weeks now. It's already happening, should we roll back now and lock thst down aswell?

ClosedAccountFuzzy

At this stage just lash through the vaccines as fast as possible.

I think though you’re inevitably going to see clusters in hospitality as the summer ends.

Also as the person above was pointing out what risk are vaccinated customers to unvaccinated staff?

So far the evidence seems to be that covid vaccines are protecting against illness, not transmission.

An unvaccinated member of staff could potentially get a nasty dose of COVID from a vaccinated customer who might only be mildly symptomatic. That to me is unfair.

gral6

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Paul Murphy is an imbecile. He's gone at the next elections.

Wolf359f

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I could have sworn I read, for every additional 7 years, it doubles your risk from Covid, so yes a 20 year old and 30 year old have significant different risks based on age. Yes you can go by occupation, but studies in the UK concluded that age was a bigger risk over occupation. Hense the reason why nearly every country on the planet went:

Nursing homes -> HCW's -> down through the ages (apart from high risk underlying conditions etc...)

mcsean2163

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117622460#Comment_117622460

Farming is the most dangerous occupation in Ireland

https://www.irishtimes.com/special-reports/the-future-of-farming/farms-are-ireland-s-most-dangerous-workplaces-1.4348566?mode=amp

Building also dangerous and Gardai put themselves at risk too.

The basic building blocks of society food, shelter and justice are there because people put themselves at risk.

Atlantic Dawn

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I can't believe how much he has misread the public opinion on the government approach and in particular those who vote for him, complete idiot.

Banana Republic 1

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He is a doctor it’s his job to point out the risks. People know well that smoking kills, ****, even the nazis wanted to ban them. It’s the first thing doctors ask and it’s the first thing they “recommend” giving up and yet people keep it up.

its obvious at this stage, it was obvious all along really that the government have used NEPHT as top cover for themselves putting all the harsh lockdown plans on their backs, much like they blamed the EU for all the cut backs in the last decade. Now the difference is the government is using NHEPT as a popularity springboard.

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That bmj study found that people with long Covid suffered long Covid. Nothing at all about the risk. And the Norwegian study basically included anyone who felt and mild symptom , whatever the cause, as being long Covid. At this stage upward of 750,000 people here have had the virus. How come we all don’t know loads of people who are now unable to live a normal life due to long Covid. The problem is long Covid has now become “any minor ailment” post Covid. Which is a major disservice to those actually suffering significant long term effects.