Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XI *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

dalyboy

charlie14 wrote: »

Well you didn`t mention the 2 meters apart in the queue, and you appear to believe that prevents transmission, so I don`t really see why you can write off masks where there is no social distancing as not possibly doing the same.

Yeah have you been in a shop or cafe in the last 14 months ?
Have you noticed the spacing on the ground. It’s 2M apart.

If you don’t believe that the 2M distancing is effective then you should send your local TD an email letting them know your concern.

My humble opinion is that both distancing and masks are an absurdity considering the over 70’s have already been vaccinated already.

FintanMcluskey

Emperor. wrote: »

Surely the masks will be gone indoors

If you assume that clubbing etc requires you don't wear a mask

The logical extension is that everyone gets tested on entry or has a passport or whatever system is devised to enable the above to happen

The masks will go once nPHEt or government say they aren’t needed

The government did a 180 degree turn regarding restrictions this week

They went from talking about delaying inter county travel until July to giving the green light for inter county travel next week

The same posters that defended the July plan then agreed with the plans for next week, despite nothing changing regarding the virus over the past week

So once the once someone in government or nPHEt say it, the masks are gone

charlie14

Spiderman0081 wrote: »

They have dropped dramatically. That and the vomiting bug have pretty much been wiped out. In my opinion, mask wearing in a perfect world where everyone uses them perfectly would probably make a difference. It’s just not the reality. Sweden has proved that social distancing and hand washing are the key to suppressing the common influenza. Not mask wearing.

Hand washing has always been a major factor where flu transmission was concerned and social distancing would have been too, but it was never really practised. I don`t see where masks would not have an effect where there is no social distancing, but it`s really academic.
People are not going to wear masks or social distance because of flu.

Emperor.

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

The masks will go once nPHEt or government say they aren’t needed

The government did a 180 degree turn regarding restrictions this week

They went from talking about delaying inter county travel until July to giving the green light for inter county travel next week

The same posters that defended the July plan then agreed with the plans for next week, despite nothing changing regarding the virus over the past week

So once the once someone in government or nPHEt say it, the masks are gone

Masks and SD should go asap

I've no problem with compulsory vaccination , passports and testing on entry to venues or whatever is needed to achieve

Anyone who says masks are not an inconvenience is not a sociable being imo

charlie14

dalyboy wrote: »

Yeah have you been in a shop or cafe in the last 14 months ?
Have you noticed the spacing on the ground. It’s 2M apart.

If you don’t believe that the 2M distancing is effective then you should send your local TD an email letting them know your concern.

My humble opinion is that both distancing and masks are an absurdity considering the over 70’s have already been vaccinated already.

I have no problem with either social distancing or wearing a mask.

Are you really unaware of the need to keep numbers as low as possible while getting the vaccination numbers as high as possible ?

charlie14

Emperor. wrote: »

Masks and SD should go asap

I've no problem with compulsory vaccination , passports and testing on entry to venues or whatever is needed to achieve

Anyone who says masks are not an inconvenience is not a sociable being imo

Compulsory vaccination would most likely speed up masks going, but I cannot see that being a runner.

Emperor.

charlie14 wrote: »

Compulsory vaccination would most likely speed up masks going, but I cannot see that being a runner.

The ones that don't take the vaccine don't get entry

Fuk them.

charlie14

Emperor. wrote: »

Surely the masks will be gone indoors

If you assume that clubbing etc requires you don't wear a mask

The logical extension is that everyone gets tested on entry or has a passport or whatever system is devised to enable the above to happen

I imagine the likes of clubbing will be well down the list on opening up, but even then, like concert or sports events for large crowds, will require either a vaccine passport or recent test result for entry.

thebronze14

dalyboy wrote: »

Just on the masks ... my parents (early 70’s both vaccinated) walked into two cafe takeaway establishments last week mistakenly NOT wearing masks.
They were in a queue system for 5 mins approx both times.

Nobody in the queue cared
Were served by the staff who didn’t care
And my parents (who were originally very covid “brainwashed”) also didn’t care.

When they told me of their unintentional adventure I was delighted for them.
Incidentally they’ve booked a luxury cruise for jan 2022 last night
They’ve both officially got over this mind f@&k and are getting on with their lives.

I personally never once wore a mask since this mask mandate occurred. I’ve worn a turtle neck jumper that I pull up entering a shop that has barely covered my upper nose. It still passes the “face covering” title imo and I’ve never been asked to put on an actual mask.

I loathe to imagine the smell of your jumper this far into the pandemic:eek:

charlie14

Emperor. wrote: »

The ones that don't take the vaccine don't get entry

Fuk them.

You`ll get no argument from me on that.

Zebra3

charlie14 wrote: »

I have no problem with either social distancing or wearing a mask.

Good for you.

But I'm being forced to wear one 39 hours a week in work plus another 8 hours or so a week on public transport and when I go to the supermarket for something that is of no threat to me.

Penfailed

dalyboy wrote: »

face nappies

Are we still doing this? Really?

charlie14

Zebra3 wrote: »

Good for you.

But I'm being forced to wear one 39 hours a week in work plus another 8 hours or so a week on public transport and when I go to the supermarket for something that is of no threat to me.

Same here, other than the public transport, and I am one of those someone mention that has driven home wearing one without realising it.
I have never solely looked on them as protecting just me from threat.

Zebra3

Zebra3 wrote: »

Good for you.

But I'm being forced to wear one 39 hours a week in work plus another 8 hours or so a week on public transport and when I go to the supermarket for something that is of no threat to me.

Could you ask your employer to put in a Perspex screen instead around your desk/ work area. Seems that a lot of people are in the same boat as you . Have been in shops where the staff were pulling down the mask just to get air, it seems awful.

Opinon8d

I drove through my local town tonight at midnight and plenty of drunk people walking home almost like pubs are open. Which was not the case any other weekend I drove around. It would make you think perhaps we would be better with outdoor dining/drinking in safe spaces being open to people then the house gatherings that are clearly happening.

colly10

Anyone know what level they’ll call the new changes?
Are we still in “level 5” throughout May?

gozunda

scamalert wrote: »

Were back to this is india, no were not india, are you sure were not in india,and why did you bring up india, i didnt bring up india, can i not mention india fck feel your pain having to read the brain melt some people get away posting here.

Well if some do insist on taking comments completely and utterly out of context, misquoting same and adding legs and let them run off on all four barking - then what do you expect. I mean seriously?

But for love of dog DONT mention the "I" word on this thread. :eek:

But yes you're correct- 'the pain having to read the brain melt some people get away posting here' ....

Boggles

dalyboy wrote: »

I personally never once wore a mask since this mask mandate occurred. I’ve worn a turtle neck jumper that I pull up entering a shop that has barely covered my upper nose. It still passes the “face covering” title imo and I’ve never been asked to put on an actual mask.

It touched 20 degrees last week?

So during the summer if you need to go to a shop or anything when you are out and about you'll don the turtle neck instead of a face covering that weighs a couple of grams?

Absolute Genius.

Micky 32

Micky 32 wrote: »

Speaking of Israel, seems their positivity rate has now dropped to 0.1%.:)

And yet masks are still required indoors.

Graham

Graham wrote: »

You should take a look at the masks thread gortanna, I think you'd like it

It's a restriction and so discussing it in the restrictions thread makes sense. And there's no discussion allowed in the masks thread. But I've made my point on masks. If they're not going away completely with case numbers and deaths on the floor in a number of countries around the world then I don't see how they'll ever go.

pjohnson

Penfailed wrote: »

Are we still doing this? Really?

No adult is.

Unless they have a sexual fetish which is a different matter.

Boggles wrote: »

It touched 20 degrees last week?

So during the summer if you need to go to a shop or anything when you are out and about you'll don the turtle neck instead of a face covering that weighs a couple of grams?

Absolute Genius.

The mad "solutions" they come up with to "fight the system" is hilarious.

Stormyteacup

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

The masks will go once nPHEt or government say they aren’t needed

The government did a 180 degree turn regarding restrictions this week

They went from talking about delaying inter county travel until July to giving the green light for inter county travel next week

The same posters that defended the July plan then agreed with the plans for next week, despite nothing changing regarding the virus over the past week

So once the once someone in government or nPHEt say it, the masks are gone

Agree with this. And right up until government or NPHET decide masks are no longer a legal requirement and the recommendations on distancing begin to be eased we will hear how vital they are to help save lives, how simple those measures are, and what a godawful human being you are if you grumble about them.

Then on one day, hopefully in the not too distant future, you will be able to walk into a supermarket without a mask and not be in breach of any law.

It will be interesting to see how many will continue to practice distancing and masking to protect themselves and others, when it’s no longer mandated.

Zebra3

gansi wrote: »

Could you ask your employer to put in a Perspex screen instead around your desk/ work area. Seems that a lot of people are in the same boat as you . Have been in shops where the staff were pulling down the mask just to get air, it seems awful.

Don't have a designated work area like that. Lot of moving around.

the kelt

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

The masks will go once nPHEt or government say they aren’t needed

The government did a 180 degree turn regarding restrictions this week

They went from talking about delaying inter county travel until July to giving the green light for inter county travel next week

The same posters that defended the July plan then agreed with the plans for next week, despite nothing changing regarding the virus over the past week

So once the once someone in government or nPHEt say it, the masks are gone

That was the funniest thing about last week.

All the posters defending the original government plan and leaks about delayed openings etc, pulling stats, tables and data out if their arses to defend the government plan, quoting feckin India and then trying to tell everyone how they aren’t just following what “the man on de telly from the government says” that they are looking and following science, making up their own minds and just happening to reach the same conclusion as NpHEt and the government.

Government and NPHET do a complete 180 so surely that goes against the “science” being quoted all week.....

“No the man on the telly was dead right, I was saying that all along so I was, fully expected this level of easing, India! who said anything about India, where’s India?”

TomSweeney

Gortanna wrote: »

And yet masks are still required indoors.

Yes they seem to have lost the plot, first off need a cert proof of vaccine to enter a concert (fair enough) but once inside the 100% vaccinated audience has to wear a mask ???


Mind boggling....

Boggles

the kelt wrote: »

Government and NPHET do a complete 180 so surely that goes against the “science” being quoted all week.....

They did a 180 on a plan that didn't exist?

You'd swear nightclubs were opening on the 10th.

Leftwaffe

You can tell by the way Holohan is talking that this isn’t over by a long shot.

paw patrol

charlie14 wrote: »

I imagine the likes of clubbing will be well down the list on opening up, but even then, like concert or sports events for large crowds, will require either a vaccine passport or recent test result for entry.

the government said this would be unlikely in response to the GAA saying they would consider it.

you can see from some of the comments people are almost aroused at the notion of punishing or excluding those who refuse a vaccine. You can picture their beaming pride as they flash their vaccine passport "look at me , a good citizen"

Yet there will 4 millions vaccinated by Sept (as is the plan), so many others recovered from covid with their delicious antibodies.
there will be few left in the hospitals with covid

But they'll still beat that drum. There is a weird fetish over controlling the "other person" and demanding a pound of flesh from those that think otherwise.

Principal Skinner knows what to call those people.

Boggles

paw patrol wrote: »

Yet there will 4 millions vaccinated by Sept (as is the plan),

Do you plan on being one of them?

Graham

the kelt wrote: »

All the posters defending the original government plan and leaks about delayed openings etc, pulling stats, tables and data out if their arses to defend the government plan, quoting feckin India and then trying to tell everyone how they aren’t just following what “the man on de telly from the government says” that they are looking and following science, making up their own minds and just happening to reach the same conclusion as NpHEt and the government.

It's not a particularly complicated conclusion to reach to be honest.


Risks go down, restrictions are relaxed.

FintanMcluskey

Graham wrote: »

It's not a particularly complicated conclusion to reach to be honest.


Risks go down, restrictions are relaxed.

:pac:

What changed since last weekend regarding the risk from Covid?

Stormyteacup

Graham wrote: »

It's not a particularly complicated conclusion to reach to be honest.


Risks go down, restrictions are relaxed.

Of course it’s not complicated when there’s no plan or any indication of what metrics for risk guide the relaxation of restrictions.

Risks go down - how far down? As low as possible.
Restrictions are relaxed - which ones and when? They’ll see.

Messaging was cautious and pessimistic in predicting easing of restrictions, but in the space of one week, and compared to the past six weeks, no metrics have changed to any degree of note, and nothing much different in vaccination plans, and the same clear trend in hospital data.

Whatever epiphany NPHET had last week they’re keeping to themselves.

Micky 32

Gortanna wrote: »

And yet masks are still required indoors.

But not required here amongst vaccinated people indoors here.

niallo27

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

:pac:

What changed since last weekend regarding the risk from Covid?

Europe was using the science of wishful thinking last week we were told.

FintanMcluskey

Stormyteacup wrote: »

Of course it’s not complicated when there’s no plan or any indication of what metrics for risk guide the relaxation of restrictions.

Risks go down - how far down? As low as possible.
Restrictions are relaxed - which ones and when? They’ll see.

Messaging was cautious and pessimistic in predicting easing of restrictions, but in the space of one week, and compared to the past six weeks, no metrics have changed to any degree of note, and nothing much different in vaccination plans, and the same clear trend in hospital data.

Whatever epiphany NPHET had last week they’re keeping to themselves.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/politics/arid-40274552.html

€12bn in Covid emergency funding set aside for 2021 will run out by the end of June, resulting in “many more billions” being needed to protect the economy.

The realisation the purse is empty trumps all concern about Covid

FintanMcluskey

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

:pac:

What changed since last weekend regarding the risk from Covid?

Do you not think it’s at all possible that observation of trends over an extended period time resulted in the conclusion last week that a significant relaxation was now warranted? And not that anything changed on a particular day which is patently ridiculous

FintanMcluskey

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/politics/arid-40274552.html



The realisation the purse is empty trumps all concern about Covid

This must be the 50th instance of the same article being misunderstood

Boggles

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

:pac:

What changed since last weekend regarding the risk from Covid?

Vaccines.

Plan and supply from AZ and Jansen.

Pfizer 2 weeks ago again declaring they will exceed supply. Moderna now committed to supply.

Vaccinate and ease restrictions.

Relative to the North we are more ambitious and continue to be.

We had schools fully open before them.

May is still a conservative reopening, by the time June comes along a million plus more vaccines will be gone into arms.

This is all good news, time to ease back on the doom mongering.

Micky 32

Leftwaffe wrote: »

You can tell by the way Holohan is talking that this isn’t over by a long shot.

You could be right, Holohan now saying vaccinated people shouldn’t be mixing. Another set of holes on the pitch.

stephenjmcd

Micky 32 wrote: »

You could be right, Holohan now saying vaccinated people shouldn’t be mixing. Another set of holes on the pitch.

Huh??? Where is this suggested ?

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/health/get-back-out-there-chief-medical-officer-tony-holohan-tellsolder-people-who-are-vaccinated-40381219.html

"Chief medical officer Tony Holohan has urged older people to “get back out there” and restart the things they used to do once Covid-19 restrictions are eased next week."

"He said while people may be “anxious at the idea of reopening your social circle...you can have confidence in your vaccine, no matter which one you received”

Stormyteacup

Deleted User wrote: »

Do you not think it’s at all possible that observation of trends over an extended period time resulted in the conclusion last week that a significant relaxation was now warranted? And not that anything changed on a particular day which is patently ridiculous

Hopefully that’s how they came to their decision on easing of restrictions. But do you not think that those trends were steady enough to have better indicated to the public what was in store for May?

Either the communication between NPHET and government is seriously poor or there is some data we are not aware of that influenced a swing from an outdoor only Summer, no inter-county travel until July, and little chance of holidays abroad, to now having inter-county travel in one weeks time, indoor dining in hotels in four weeks time, and a government that now seems to be behind a digital travel pass.

Zebra3

Boggles wrote: »

Vaccines.

Plan and supply from AZ and Jansen.

Pfizer 2 weeks ago again declaring they will exceed supply. Moderna now committed to supply.

Vaccinate and ease restrictions.

Relative to the North we are more ambitious and continue to be.

We had schools fully open before them.

May is still a conservative reopening, by the time June comes along a million plus more vaccines will be gone into arms.

This is all good news, time to ease back on the doom mongering.

And yet just before the removal of some restrictions was announced last week, the usual suspects were whinging for a continuation of lockdown.

paw patrol

Boggles wrote: »

Do you plan on being one of them?

No. I will not be one.

There are 2 parts to the full answer.

Originally I never felt I needed a covid vaccine as I wasn't concerned by covid.
So although not set in stone , I was highly unlikely to take it.

Then I had covid and I now have those delicious antibodies that I spoke of and my T-Cells are working like mad to create that most wonderful of things - natural immunity.

Now the chance of my taking of the vaccine is even less, near zero.

I believe everybody who wants to take one should. those that do not should not.

FintanMcluskey

Deleted User wrote: »

Do you not think it’s at all possible that observation of trends over an extended period time resulted in the conclusion last week that a significant relaxation was now warranted? And not that anything changed on a particular day which is patently ridiculous

Jesus it’s frustrating to read this stuff

Myself and many other posters, as recent as last Tuesday night were questioning the cautiousness of Ireland’s plan using vaccination numbers & hospital numbers to support their argument that barbers, outdoor amenities, building etc should be reopen as its safe to do so, whereas the message from government was that stuff was months away

We were arguing with the same posters who claimed it’s not safe as we could turn into India, not all vulnerable are vaccinated, people moving about spread the disease, young people can get sick, pick your reasoning it’s in the previous thread.

Sometime Tuesday night all those reasons were immediately irrelevant as the data was finally observed and studied???

Micky 32

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Huh??? Where is this suggested ?

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/health/get-back-out-there-chief-medical-officer-tony-holohan-tellsolder-people-who-are-vaccinated-40381219.html

"Chief medical officer Tony Holohan has urged older people to “get back out there” and restart the things they used to do once Covid-19 restrictions are eased next week."

"He said while people may be “anxious at the idea of reopening your social circle...you can have confidence in your vaccine, no matter which one you received”

Good old RTE again:

“”Chief Medical Officer Dr Tony Holohan has praised the sacrifices people have made over the last year, but warned that too much social mixing, especially even for those who have been vaccinated, will increase the risk of a further surge of Covid-19.

However, he said it is important that such people keep up compliance with public health advice“”

I could be misinterpreting it due to too much wine last night :pac:

TomSweeney

TomSweeney wrote: »

Yes they seem to have lost the plot, first off need a cert proof of vaccine to enter a concert (fair enough) but once inside the 100% vaccinated audience has to wear a mask ???


Mind boggling....

I just don't see them going away indoors. Deaths and case numbers are on the floor in the UK and yet covid marshals are being recruited to work until 2022, with the possibility of an extension until 2023, to ensure compliance with the rules. I've read articles about how masks are "only required in shops and on public transport". As though it's not a big deal.

Micky 32

Micky 32 wrote: »

But not required here amongst vaccinated people indoors here.

Do you think people who haven't been vaccinated are wearing masks when meeting in each others homes?

That so-called 'vaccine bonus' makes no difference. There has been nothing about them going in shops, banks, on public transport etc.

Micky 32

Gortanna wrote: »

I just don't see them going away indoors. Deaths and case numbers are on the floor in the UK and yet covid marshals are being recruited to work until 2022, with the possibility of an extension until 2023, to ensure compliance with the rules. I've read articles about how masks are "only required in shops and on public transport". As though it's not a big deal.

Vaccinated people can visit other vaccinated people indoors with no masks in Ireland. That’s the begining of the end of masks from what i can see. Especially once the masses are inoculated.

Regarding the marshals they won’t have any enforcement powers. So you could tell them to feck off if you choose to do so.

Penfailed

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I just don't see them going away indoors. Deaths and case numbers are on the floor in the UK and yet covid marshals are being recruited to work until 2022, with the possibility of an extension until 2023, to ensure compliance with the rules. I've read articles about how masks are "only required in shops and on public transport". As though it's not a big deal.

It's not a big deal. However, once it's legal not to wear them, I won't be.

Boggles

Zebra3 wrote: »

And yet just before the removal of some restrictions was announced last week, the usual suspects were whinging for a continuation of lockdown.

March, April, May, June and July were touted ad nauseam for the easing of restrictions, tied in primarily with vaccine roll out.

You either weren't listening or you created your own narrative.