Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XI *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

Boggles

paw patrol wrote: »

No. I will not be one.

There are 2 parts to the full answer.

Originally I never felt I needed a covid vaccine as I wasn't concerned by covid.
So although not set in stone , I was highly unlikely to take it.

Then I had covid and I now have those delicious antibodies that I spoke of and my T-Cells are working like mad to create that most wonderful of things - natural immunity.

Now the chance of my taking of the vaccine is even less, near zero.

I believe everybody who wants to take one should. those that do not should not.

So you were anti vax from the start because Covid didn't concern you, but your "natural immunity" is delicious.

Fair enough, at least you are honest.

Micky 32

Gortanna wrote: »

Do you think people who haven't been vaccinated are wearing masks when meeting in each others homes?

That’s irrelevant. It’s the government’s advice that’s relevant, they are easing the rules when it comes to masks amongst the vaccinated. It’s a start anyway.

Micky 32

Micky 32 wrote: »

Vaccinated people can visit other vaccinated people indoors with no masks in Ireland. That’s the begining of the end of masks from what i can see. Especially once the masses are inoculated.

Regarding the marshals they won’t have any enforcement powers. So you could tell them to feck off if you choose to do so.

But it was already happening. All that's changed is that people now have 'permission' from the government / NPHET to do it.

I hope you're right, but I just don't see it. Gibraltar has fully vaccinated its population according to this article: https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2021/04/gibraltar-covid-vaccination-safe.html

And yet they're still required in shops and on public transport there.

The only country I can think of that introduced them for indoor places and subsequently scrapped them is Australia (certain states). But, with the exception of Melbourne, they were introduced for maybe a week or two before being scrapped. In all these other countries they've been mandatory for a long time.

Like I say, I hope you're right, but the fact that case numbers and deaths are on the floor in the UK and covid marshals are being recruited to work until 2022, and possibly 2023, and the talk is of masks being required beyond the 21st of June suggests that they aren't going away. If herd immunity isn't enough to get rid of them then I don't know what is.

Zebra3

Boggles wrote: »

March, April, May, June and July were touted ad nauseam for the easing of restrictions, tied in primarily with vaccine roll out.

You either weren't listening or you created your own narrative.

I was listening. Listening to all those begging for extended lockdown last week. Fair play to you for ignoring inconvenient facts.

Boggles

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Myself and many other posters, as recent as last Tuesday night were questioning the cautiousness of Ireland’s plan using vaccination numbers & hospital numbers to support their argument that barbers, outdoor amenities, building etc should be reopen as its safe to do so, whereas the message from government was that stuff was months away

I have no idea where you are getting this from. I can guess.

But personal services and outdoor amenities were touted by MM and other cabinet ministers at the end of March for a May reopening.

MM confirmed it 2 weeks ago.

Also we are not still pretending construction is closed, are we? :rolleyes:

Penfailed

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Like I say, I hope you're right, but the fact that case numbers and deaths are on the floor in the UK and covid marshals are being recruited to work until 2022, and possibly 2023, and the talk is of masks being required beyond the 21st of June suggests that they aren't going away.

That suggests that they are going away. Just not as quickly as I'd like. If they were staying, there won't be a 'possibly 2023'.

FintanMcluskey

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Jesus it’s frustrating to read this stuff

Myself and many other posters, as recent as last Tuesday night were questioning the cautiousness of Ireland’s plan using vaccination numbers & hospital numbers to support their argument that barbers, outdoor amenities, building etc should be reopen as its safe to do so, whereas the message from government was that stuff was months away

We were arguing with the same posters who claimed it’s not safe as we could turn into India, not all vulnerable are vaccinated, people moving about spread the disease, young people can get sick, pick your reasoning it’s in the previous thread.

Sometime Tuesday night all those reasons were immediately irrelevant as the data was finally observed and studied???

What a couple of poster said does not make official policy. More of us spotted the trends and understood the opening would be far quicker than doom mongers on both sides expected.

The thing with policy decisions is they aren’t made until they are made so it may seem like a sudden change, when in fact the preceding weeks were leading to that point

Boggles

Zebra3 wrote: »

I was listening. Listening to all those begging for extended lockdown last week. Fair play to you for ignoring inconvenient facts.

Who was begging for extended lockdowns?

We have spent the last 2 months easing restrictions.

I don't think you know what a 'fact' is.

Penfailed

Zebra3 wrote: »

I was listening. Listening to all those begging for extended lockdown last week. Fair play to you for ignoring inconvenient facts.

People on here? Begging for extended lockdown?

growleaves

India

_Kaiser_

Boggles wrote: »

So you were anti vax from the start because Covid didn't concern you, but your "natural immunity" is delicious.

Fair enough, at least you are honest.

That's not what he said at all though is it?

I believe everybody who wants to take one should. those that do not should not.

You're welcome!

I'd feel much the same personally, but I'll take the stupid thing when it's offered because it's the quickest way to get past the hysteria and nonsense in general.

As for masks. The minute the mandatory/enforceable part disappears, so too will my mask which I only wear if I have to. In most scenarios I just go with one of the plastic face shields which is still stupid of course but but, "de virus"

When we look back at the last 12/14 months I wonder will it finally sink in that we created rampant hysteria and damage to our society and economy for something that 99%+ of people were at little to no risk from?

dalyboy

thebronze14 wrote: »

I loathe to imagine the smell of your jumper this far into the pandemic:eek:

Haha , I purchased 20 turtle necks and 10 polo neck fleece tops from M&S last summer. I could see the writing on the wall RE masks (face coverings) so got ahead of the problem.

Ps , I’m not exactly a fan of turtle necks . Rather Elizabeth Holmes in the fashion stakes imo and not the best style for a mid 40’s male haha.

That said I think masks are beyond revolting both hygiene and visually speaking.

Boggles

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

That's not what he said at all though is it?

It is yeah, I'll help you.

paw patrol wrote: »

Originally I never felt I needed a covid vaccine as I wasn't concerned by covid.

All though he is delighted with his "natural immunity" and "delicious" antibodies.

Go figure.

Boggles

dalyboy wrote: »

Haha , I purchased 20 turtle necks and 10 polo neck fleece tops from M&S last summer. I could see the writing on the wall RE masks (face coverings) so got ahead of the problem.

Ps , I’m not exactly a fan of turtle necks . Rather Elizabeth Holmes in the fashion stakes imo and not the best style for a mid 40’s male haha.

That said I think masks are beyond revolting both hygiene and visually speaking.

So when most people are throwing on a simple face covering to go into the shop.

You are taking out one of your 20 turtle neck jumps and putting it on to go into the shop.

:pac:

Micky 32

Gortanna wrote: »

But it was already happening. All that's changed is that people now have 'permission' from the government / NPHET to do it.

I hope you're right, but I just don't see it. Gibraltar has fully vaccinated its population according to this article: https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2021/04/gibraltar-covid-vaccination-safe.html

And yet they're still required in shops and on public transport there.

The only country I can think of that introduced them for indoor places and subsequently scrapped them is Australia (certain states). But, with the exception of Melbourne, they were introduced for maybe a week or two before being scrapped. In all these other countries they've been mandatory for a long time.

Like I say, I hope you're right, but the fact that case numbers and deaths are on the floor in the UK and covid marshals are being recruited to work until 2022, and possibly 2023, and the talk is of masks being required beyond the 21st of June suggests that they aren't going away. If herd immunity isn't enough to get rid of them then I don't know what is.

Funnily enough i have gotten used to masks due to wearing them in the course of my work. If i have to wear one on a plane to get to see my family in the USA again i’d have no problem wearing one. Masks were at the bottom of my worries regarding this pandemic.

paw patrol

Boggles wrote: »

So you were anti vax from the start because Covid didn't concern you, but your "natural immunity" is delicious.

Fair enough, at least you are honest.

really depends how you define anti vaxx.

Nobody should be pro/anti vax cos all disease/vaccine aren't the same. It should be pros/cons and all that - imo of course.

I'm not anti vaxx - firmly believe its a personal decision.
Also you have misunderstood what i said (as per Kaisers reply) . I said

So although not set in stone , I was highly unlikely to take it.

I've family and friends already jabbed and I've no issue at all.
maybe bar one lad...I posted on him on boards before. he is a rabid conspiracy theorist and anti vaxxer who took it cos work told him. I felt he was a fraud given his rants on the matter. But that's a side issue.

dalyboy

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

The masks will go once nPHEt or government say they aren’t needed

The government did a 180 degree turn regarding restrictions this week

They went from talking about delaying inter county travel until July to giving the green light for inter county travel next week

The same posters that defended the July plan then agreed with the plans for next week, despite nothing changing regarding the virus over the past week

So once the once someone in government or nPHEt say it, the masks are gone

These same people then maintain their stance that they are thinking for themselves. The reality is that it’s very much the man on the telly that’s really telling them what and how to think.

_Kaiser_

Boggles wrote: »

It is yeah, I'll help you.



All though he is delighted with his "natural immunity" and "delicious" antibodies.

Go figure.

Not feeling himself at risk and thus not concerned != "anti-vax" ... I even quoted the relevent line for you.

And yep, fair play to him. I'd say he's not alone either as there'll be a lot of people out there with a natural immunity to it now, many of whom probably won't have even known they had it in the first place.

Boggles

paw patrol wrote: »

really depends how you define anti vaxx.

Someone who creates all sorts of fantasy in order to self justify their decision not to take a vaccine.

Cause Autism, or such nonsense.

Then you have the real hard core who don't want restrictions, masks or any sort of infection control because it will prevent "natural immunity".

Of course they give other reasons for this because they are not brave enough to admit what they are.

growleaves

Boggles wrote: »

Someone who creates all sorts of fantasy in order to self justify their decision not to take a vaccine.

Anyone who regards any vaccine as a potential iatrogenic no matter the circumstances.

Well done Boggles.

dalyboy

dalyboy wrote: »

These same people then maintain their stance that they are thinking for themselves. The reality is that it’s very much the man on the telly that’s really telling them what and how to think.

It strikes me that it is those who took the “July plan” that never actually existed at face value that listened to “the man on the telly”.

paw patrol

Boggles wrote: »

Someone who creates all sorts of fantasy in order to self justify their decision not to take a vaccine.

Cause Autism, or such nonsense.

of which I did none
Not sure how you got that from the general "I don't need it"

Boggles

paw patrol wrote: »

of which I did none
Not sure who you got that from the general "I don't need it"

You asked me for to define anti vax.

paw patrol wrote: »

really depends how you define anti vaxx.

I did as I see it.

Penfailed

Penfailed wrote: »

That suggests that they are going away. Just not as quickly as I'd like. If they were staying, there won't be a 'possibly 2023'.

I just wonder what the justification could be for them beyond the 21st of June in the UK. It's surely over in the UK, or close to being over. Caution with the border I can understand.

Boggles

growleaves wrote: »

Anyone who regards any vaccine as a potential iatrogenic no matter the circumstances.

Well done Boggles.

We back to "do no harm"?

Which we found out actually meant do not ride your patient and under no circumstances perform an abortion on her if you do.

I love history.

growleaves

Boggles wrote: »

We back to "do no harm"?

Which we found out actually meant do not ride your patient and under no circumstances perform an abortion on her if you do.

I love history.

What are you talking about?

_Kaiser_

paw patrol wrote: »

of which I did none
Not sure who you got that from the general "I don't need it"

It's the result of social media grandstanding and the need for validation.

Complex subjects (incorrectly) broken down to simplistic "yes or no" arguments.

You're with us, or against us/one of "them"

This is why you'll see people being accused of all sorts they never actually said, because it's the only way the accusers can justify their argument - by tagging people with a catch-all "side"

As I've said before, if nothing else, I hope the last 12 months make people realise the dangers of relying on Twitter/Facebook for their opinions and that in future they discount most of it for the trash it is and investigate for themselves and make up their own minds rather than letting others do it for them.

dalyboy

Boggles wrote: »

So when most people are throwing on a simple face covering to go into the shop.

You are taking out one of your 20 turtle neck jumps and putting it on to go into the shop.

:pac:

I assume your joking. You’ve got to be.

Ok , let’s see if you can grasp this. .......... I was/am already wearing a clean newly worn daily and just pull up the turtle neck.

It’s definitely more hygienic than grabbing out a filthy mask from a pocket or bag. 100% Disgusting habit.

_Kaiser_

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Not feeling himself at risk and thus not concerned != "anti-vax" ... I even quoted the relevent line for you.

And yep, fair play to him. I'd say he's not alone either as there'll be a lot of people out there with a natural immunity to it now, many of whom probably won't have even known they had it in the first place.

Yes, I can't understand why a person who already had it would need to be vaccinated. Wouldn't it be a good thing that those who already had it wouldn't need to be vaccinated in that it would mean that vaccines could be given to people who need them in other countries?

Boggles

dalyboy wrote: »

I assume your joking. You’ve got to be.

I'm joking? :pac:

I bought 50 surgical masks the other day for 8 quid.

How much did you spend on the 30 jumpers?

Haha , I purchased 20 turtle necks and 10 polo neck fleece tops from M&S last summer. I could see the writing on the wall RE masks

:pac::pac:

niallo27

Deleted User wrote: »

It strikes me that it is those who took the “July plan” that never actually existed at face value the listened to “the man on the telly”.

It's the backtracking that's the issue, many of us called for some of the restrictions to be relaxed sooner before the announcement. We were told by the usual suspects, we are not ready yet, we need more people vaccinated, Christmas, 4th wave. Then nphet recommend restrictions being lifted and all of a sudden the same posters are saying these restrictions were always going be lifted now anyway. Listen I'll admit I was wrong, I never expected nphet to recommend opening this quickly, i said all along I wanted a plan and we have some sort of one now.

Micky 32

Penfailed wrote: »

That suggests that they are going away. Just not as quickly as I'd like. If they were staying, there won't be a 'possibly 2023'.

…. And not to mention the so-called marshals won’t have any enforcement powers.

scamalert

Boggles wrote: »

Someone who creates all sorts of fantasy in order to self justify their decision not to take a vaccine.

You bring this up in every second post why does it concern you, will you not go outside when you get your shot :rolleyes: will you feel in danger until we reach 80-100% which will never happen, are you the nut who advocates 0 covid BS ?


its funny when those twitching the most and having issues somehow seem not in a rush to get the jab here, instead crying in their soup about it. Stockholm syndrome at its best.

FintanMcluskey

Deleted User wrote: »

What a couple of poster said does not make official policy. More of us spotted the trends and understood the opening would be far quicker than doom mongers on both sides expected.

The thing with policy decisions is they aren’t made until they are made so it may seem like a sudden change, when in fact the preceding weeks were leading to that point

I’m interested in the bit in bold

Ireland, has been the globes most suppressed nation since March 2020 and has delivered its promises on being incredibly cautious right to next week despite the data from other countries showing certain activities were safe like outdoor amenities, construction etc.

A cautious approach that was continually defended by yourself and others as recently as Tuesday

This caution evaporated Tuesday night despite the messaging being incredibly different in the days previously

Now your trying to tell me you “spotted the trends”?

Graham

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

A cautious approach that was continually defended by yourself and others as recently as Tuesday

We are still taking a reasonably cautious approach.

growleaves

scamalert wrote: »

You bring this up in every second post why does it concern you, will you not go outside when you get your shot :rolleyes: will you feel in danger until we reach 80-100% which will never happen

That can't be the reason logically since paw patrol is already a contributor to herd immunity with the antibodies he has from natural infection.

Boggles

scamalert wrote: »

You bring this up in every second post why does it concern you, will you not go outside when you get your shot :rolleyes: will you feel in danger until we reach 80-100% which will never happen, are you the nut who advocates 0 covid BS ?


its funny when those twitching the most and having issues somehow seem not in a rush to get the jab here, instead crying in their soup about it. Stockholm syndrome at its best.

4 times I have read that, not a scooby what it means.

FintanMcluskey

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

I’m interested in the bit in bold

Ireland, has been the globes most suppressed nation since March 2020 and has delivered its promises on being incredibly cautious right to next week despite the data from other countries showing certain activities were safe like outdoor amenities, construction etc.

A cautious approach that was continually defended by yourself and others as recently as Tuesday

This caution evaporated Tuesday night despite the messaging being incredibly different in the days previously

Now your trying to tell me you “spotted the trends”?

Except what I was actually arguing was that opening could start, and at faster pace than discussed, but could understand the caution

dalyboy

Boggles wrote: »

I'm joking? :pac:

I bought 50 surgical masks the other day for 8 quid.

How much did you spend on the 30 jumpers?



:pac::pac:

Haha. You’ve got a sense of humour anyway. I was concerned that you were a robot or something.

I paid €700-€800 for the 30 quality turtle necks in total from m&s but have a few years of supply and they’re warm for our artic winters. I consider them an investment in both clothing and effective cleaner mask alternative (while the indoors mandate remains).

Wow
€8 for 50 “surgical” masks ? I’d say they’re about as surgical as a single layer of toilet paper. Go you .

Leftwaffe

We are being told to enjoy the Summer months, the next 10-12 weeks, etc. as its plain to see they're gonna put us back in lockdown come September/October or before it.

There is trouble afoot in this country IMO.

Leftwaffe

Leftwaffe wrote: »

We are being told to enjoy the Summer months, the next 10-12 weeks, etc. as its plain to see they're gonna put us back in lockdown come September/October or before it.

There is trouble afoot in this country IMO.

Exactly right. Another lockdown in September/October. There will be a lockdown in the UK in September/October too. That's why furlough was extended until September and why covid marshals are being recruited to work until 2022 and possibly 2023. But any attempt at a discussion of this is dismissed as a conspiracy theory.

sterz

Basis for that opinion, Leftwaffle?

dalyboy

Gortanna wrote: »

Exactly right. Another lockdown in September/October. There will be a lockdown in the UK in September/October too. That's why furlough was extended until September and why covid marshals are being recruited to work until 2022 and possibly 2023. But any attempt at a discussion of this is dismissed as a conspiracy theory.

If that happens then both the Irish and UK government’s will be saying the vaccine is useless.
It’s the only way they could justify locking down again in sept / Oct.

Micky 32

Gortanna wrote: »

Exactly right. Another lockdown in September/October. There will be a lockdown in the UK in September/October too. That's why furlough was extended until September and why covid marshals are being recruited to work until 2022 and possibly 2023. But any attempt at a discussion of this is dismissed as a conspiracy theory.

Well if that's the case you're saying the vaccines don't work so 'foreva' lockdown right? :rolleyes::rolleyes:


The vaccines work so the above scenario is very unlikely.

gozunda

dalyboy wrote: »

Yeah have you been in a shop or cafe in the last 14 months ?
Have you noticed the spacing on the ground. It’s 2M apart.

If you don’t believe that the 2M distancing is effective then you should send your local TD an email letting them know your concern.

My humble opinion is that both distancing and masks are an absurdity considering the over 70’s have already been vaccinated already.

You will excuse me in thinking that I've walked into the CT forum this morning - on reading a lot of what has been posted here in the last couple of hours.

To your comment- thankfully science doesn't rely on 'humble' opinion

The fact that most over "70s" have received at least one dose of vaccine - does not exclude remaining groups who are very high risk/ high risk and others who have not been vaccinated from this picture. Or that those vaccinated may potentially becone infected albeit with highly improved outcomes.

https://i.imgflip.com/5817mz.jpg

For those not vaccinated - distancing and masks have been shown to reduce the spread of infection. Not recognising that is definitely absurd.

dalyboy

dalyboy wrote: »

If that happens then both the Irish and UK government’s will be saying the vaccine is useless.
It’s the only way they could justify locking down again in sept / Oct.

They could justify it by saying case numbers are high. If the media start reporting 20,000 cases (which they will), but leave out the zero hospitalisations bit (which they will), then most people will panic.

And then there's the 'potential variants' thing. The extension of furlough until September was the giveaway. That and mask wearing and social distancing continuing beyond the 21st of June when case numbers and deaths are on the floor in the UK.

dalyboy

gozunda wrote: »

You will excuse me in thinking that I've walked into the CT forum this morning - on reading a lot of what has been posted here in the last couple of hours.

To your comment- thankfully science doesn't rely on 'humble' opinion

The fact that most over "70s" have received at least one dose of vaccine - does not exclude remaining groups who are very high risk/ high risk and others who have not been vaccinated from this picture. Or that those vaccinated may potentially becone infected albeit with highly improved outcomes.

https://i.imgflip.com/5817mz.jpg

For those not vaccinated - distancing and masks have been shown known to reduce the spread of infection. Not recognising that is definitely absurd.

Thank you for your review of my post. It was refreshing to hear you enjoyed it so much.

I stand 100% behind everything I wrote btw.

TomSweeney

Micky 32 wrote: »

Well if that's the case you're saying the vaccines don't work so 'foreva' lockdown right? :rolleyes::rolleyes:


The vaccines work so the above scenario is very unlikely.

Yet they are hiring little jackboot thugs (covid marshalls) till into 2023 apparently ...

Dempo1

I see the new lumps of lovelyness approach continues at pace, open letter from Dr. Houlihan this morning, quite a change from the dogs in the streets commentary. Even the Garda Traffic twitter feed got in on the act with picturesque images of garda vehicles parked on Donegal beaches appearing on their feed, all that was missing was Leonardo Di Caprio moving into the shots looking windswept.

Pippa Hackett mentions possible local lockdowns a notion quickly and diplomatically slapped down by the Donegal Based Minister for agriculture.

Meanwhile Michael mc Grath let's slip in the Times on Sunday that state covid supports to continue until autumn, then back tracks on the week at one on RTE pronouncing doom and gloom.

The mixed messaging continuing with Gusto I see.

Micky 32

Micky 32 wrote: »

Well if that's the case you're saying the vaccines don't work so 'foreva' lockdown right? :rolleyes::rolleyes:


The vaccines work so the above scenario is very unlikely.

I'm not saying they don't work. Governments in countries I mentioned are by refusing to lift all restrictions.

Covid is more or less over in the UK and yet covid marshals are being recruited to work until 2022, and possibly 2023. Even if they don't have power, it still suggests that measures will be in place.

And there's also the two year Covid Public Information Campaign: https://www.find-tender.service.gov.uk/Notice/005534-2021?origin=SearchResults&p=1