Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XI *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

gozunda

gozunda wrote: »

Don't think you're being quite consistent there tbh....





If we're flying though vaccinations as you say - why do you think people wanting to go out will create potential super spreader events?

God you are mangling those posts.

The jig's up.

gozunda

zackory wrote: »

Did I say its a problem?

The point is it is happening, as are loads of uncontrolled indoor gatherings, its not causing a problem as we are not seeing significant hospitalisations.

Well yes I believe it was implied where you said that the " government pretend its not happening" no? But no matter.

zackory wrote: »

We've actually had indoor dining since June 2nd. Rules not been enforced so hotels are making the most of it, ultimately being extremely busy, creating potential super spreader events, yet government pretend its not happening.

Any link to these hotels not enforcing rules btw?

hynesie08

Stheno wrote: »

Updated ad on Q102 radio 10 minutes ago about reopening guidelines and next steps

Indoor dining from the 19th

Communions and confirmations subject to local health situation

From who?

corkonion

Don't forget that the next two weeks are critical/ crucial to flatten the curve, while currently our infection rate is falling or flat at best, and our hospitals are almost empty of covid patients its possible that a new variation of the Delta/Delta plus Indian variant may emerge at anytime, possibly the Delta pro max plus. We need to protect our world class health service.
We can't have someone eating dinner inside put us back where we were last January

_Kaiser_

dominatinMC wrote: »

A vocal minority I would suspect.
Are these people (in favour of restrictons) idiots? It's all well and good to sit at home all day claiming your PUP, but all this money will eventually have to be paid back. When are people going to wake up and realise this

Wasn't their outcry a few months back when Revenue reminded everyone that PUP payments may incur tax liabilities for some.

Just wait till the real bill arrives in the budget(s). I fully expect we'll be paying the cost of this for the rest of the decade.

Stheno

hynesie08 wrote: »

From who?

Dunno it's an ad that has run all the time on the station, and the voiceover references government guidelines

Could be a mistake by the station, but the specifics especially around communications and confirmation sounded governmenty

Also said indoor sports classes in pods of six

2lazytogetup

anyone know if indoor dining restrictions includes kid summer camps that are indoors? ive got the kids planning to go to speech and drama summer camp from monday next and not sure if falls under indoor dining/pubs category.

Pitch n Putt

Henry... wrote: »

How much longer is this going on

It's the greatest load of nonsense in the history of science

And our dopes are the ring leaders of stupidity.
No indoor dining in restaurants or pubs but ok in hotels.
Will they ever just f**k off into the sunset with their bullsh1t.
An interesting stat over the weekend there is more members of NOTFIT than is currently in ICU and the whole country waiting on these fools guidance.

Disband this quango and get the country back on the road.

BringBackMick

If that ads already recorded it's so pathetic

No transparency

aziz

BringBackMick wrote: »

If that ads already recorded it's so pathetic

No transparency

If that’s true about a add stating indoors on the 19th,well that is just disgraceful that people waiting anxiously on a announcement are treated this way.

Heads should roll

TomSweeney

landofthetree wrote: »

ISAG are re tweeting **** like this.

Obviously the tweet is about the UK.

The reality is its unvaccinated people who are spreading covid and the UK still has a lot of vaccination left to do.



https://twitter.com/uk_domain_names/status/1409213268015603714

They really are a total joke.

This guy wrote a book called "Slaying Brexit unicorns".


That's enough for me ...

Pitch n Putt

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Wasn't their outcry a few months back when Revenue reminded everyone that PUP payments may incur tax liabilities for some.

Just wait till the real bill arrives in the budget(s). I fully expect we'll be paying the cost of this for the rest of the decade.

Are you serious? This isn’t free money for nothing whilst hiding at home from covid.

Hundreds of thousands of people think it is as well as viable businesses claiming supports also.

The naivety of some is baffling as the big wheel of debt keeps clocking up.

MeHole will sink the country just to avoid making a decision of be in danger of been accountable for anything.

Spineless useless and selfish is all the unelected government is.

The real real fun is coming down the tracks and could in all honesty make the last crash look small.

walus

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

Logic went out the window a long time ago.

Common sense and critical thinking were the first victims of covid.

namloc1980

walus wrote: »

Common sense and critical thinking were the first victims of covid.

Soon followed by risk analysis and balanced risk based decision making.

Sobit1964

https://www.rte.ie/news/2021/0628/1231744-covid-ireland/

Tánaiste Leo Varadkar has said that the final decision on whether the next stage of reopening will go ahead as planned on 5 July or not will be made tomorrow.

He said while it is not inevitable that the 5 July deadline will be pushed back for two weeks, a longer delay may also be necessary given the modelling advice of the National Public Hospital Emergency Team on the predicted Covid cases as a result of the Delta variant.

Mr Varadkar said that it would be "very difficult and unlikely" that the Government would go against the advice of NPHET as the largely successful reopening this year to date was after engagement with its advice.

Very much hope thats some last minute kite flying.

Leftwaffe

That’s Leo absolving himself of all responsibility and telling it how it is. NPHET make the decisions.

KrustyUCC

Sobit1964 wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/news/2021/0628/1231744-covid-ireland/





Very much hope thats some last minute kite flying.

He's kite flying alright

"Mr Varadkar said any date set would still be an indicative date that will then be further reviewed in the week prior to consider the up-to-date situation."

Just giving NPHET another chance to delay reopenings by going that way

Right lads indicative date of 19th or 26th but subject to NPHET advice

Can't see that being more positive in a few weeks time

Richard Hillman

https://twitter.com/LVADublinPubs/status/1409432500804403201?s=19

Is that yet another "conspiracy theory" that may be true?

km79

“Mr Varadkar said any date set would still be an indicative date that will then be further reviewed in the week prior to consider the up-to-date situation.”
Sigh

VinLieger

Richard Hillman wrote: »

https://twitter.com/LVADublinPubs/status/1409432500804403201?s=19

Is that yet another "conspiracy theory" that may be true?

NPHET is full of RCPI members who were the primary driving force of MUP once the Vintners got it off the ground and into FGs manifesto.

Once FG won that election they realised that the original goal of singularly helping pubs against the off trade was a bad look so they scrambled to pivot it to a health issue which the RCPI gleefully jumped on board with.

namloc1980

zackory wrote: »

So it looks like another 2 weeks but there won't be another "review" NPHET / media / leak / circus before that, it will be a confirmed date.

So today is Holohans last day to make himself feel relevant and important and we are done with him.

Finally.

https://www.rte.ie/news/2021/0628/1231744-covid-ireland/

I'm afraid Leo confirmed there will be a further review:

Mr Varadkar said any date set would still be an indicative date that will then be further reviewed in the week prior to consider the up-to-date situation.

stephenjmcd

namloc1980 wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/news/2021/0628/1231744-covid-ireland/

I'm afraid Leo confirmed there will be a further review:

Mr Varadkar said any date set would still be an indicative date that will then be further reviewed in the week prior to consider the up-to-date situation.

There's always reviews, I don't see why people think there wouldn't be, it's nothing new.

I think it's pretty clear to see that getting the 60s done with AZ dose 2 by the 19th is the priority and once that's done they'll open

bloopy

Am due a few days off in mid July. I think it may be an idea now to start looking what is available up north.
This is a f***in farce.

Billgirlylegs

walus wrote: »

Common sense and critical thinking were the first victims of covid.

I detest the phrase "common sense".
Usually followed by an opinion. Might or might notformed by logic.

Agreed on critical thinking.
Nothing our elders and betters (FG / FF-Green-FG Governments / Department of Health / NPHET / HSE / "the science experts" ) have done and said have even remotely involved logic(or followed the science).
They have indulged themselves in reactionary, non scientific, ill thought out panicked actions since March 2020.

As quoted earlier, The CMO said "nothing to see here" in March 2020. No concerns.
The Head of The National Virus Reference Laboratory, said in January 2021, that the "Kent variant" was responsible for 4% of cases, despite numbers increasing exponentially. The rise was insultingly dismissed as "All down to Christmas revelling- you only have yourselves to blame".
They said something similar in the last couple of weeks about this new dose- few/no cases here so not a problem.

The current -will we won't we open - mess is entirely in keeping with the lack of expertise, knowledge and decision making since March 2020.
Look at the ridiculous tut tutting a month ago about their illogical rules and lack of preparation for "outdoor socialising".
Worse is the inability or refusal to realise that as those actions have coincided with reduced numbers of cases it is evidence of a lessening of effect of that variant.
That is followed by silence, inaction or inability to recognise that "Delta" behaves differently, and they need to change or vary the public message.

KrustyUCC

stephenjmcd wrote: »

I think it's pretty clear to see that getting the 60s done with AZ dose 2 by the 19th is the priority and once that's done they'll open

I'll believe it when I see it

It won't be just a two week delay especially if cases increase a bit in the meantime

I'll be shocked if indoor hospitality is open until after the August Bank Holiday weekend

Would like to be wrong though as that would wipe out 2/3 of the summer season for a lot of hospitality industry

Red Silurian

walus wrote: »

Common sense and critical thinking were the first victims of covid.

I remember late February 2020 and Italy was reporting a huge surge in infections, so much so that it was predicted that Italy would become the European epicenter

That same day there were reports of numerous secondary schools heading off to the infected regions on ski trips... Where was the logic that week?

Red Silurian

KrustyUCC wrote: »

I'll believe it when I see it

It won't be just a two week delay especially if cases increase a bit in the meantime

I'll be shocked if indoor hospitality is open until after the August Bank Holiday weekend

Would like to be wrong though as that would wipe out 2/3 of the summer season for a lot of hospitality industry

July 2020 the "wet" pubs were supposed to re-open, this then got delayed by 3 weeks as we were starting to average 30, up from 10 daily cases nationally, 3 weeks later the time was again extended, again by 3 weeks. In fact I think it got put off indefinitely 3 weeks later again as cases had now soared to about 100 a day on average

Late September, with cases at 300-400 a day it was decided that it was now safe to reopen wet pubs

Say what you want about what a safe infection rate is but the above made zero sense to me anyway

KrustyUCC

Yeah it kept getting pushed back and back and back

Could see similar happening this year

landofthetree

https://twitter.com/Brenaghan/status/1409444822495207425

zackory

namloc1980 wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/news/2021/0628/1231744-covid-ireland/

I'm afraid Leo confirmed there will be a further review:

Mr Varadkar said any date set would still be an indicative date that will then be further reviewed in the week prior to consider the up-to-date situation.

Very disappointing. Tony gets to feel relevant again in 2 weeks, if that's the date put forward

It also means another circus starts next week regarding will we / won't we, with all the usual being rolled out again.