Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XI *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

normanoffside

My prediction is they will allow indoor dining to go ahead at 50% from next week.

zackory

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Got a link to this latest leak saying there'll be no other review in 2 weeks.?

Here is some examples.

Mr Ryan told RTÉ's This Week programme yesterday that if the Government's reopening plan had to be delayed, it may only be for two weeks as it could then coincide with the return of international travel under the EU Digital Covid Cert on 19 July.

The Minister for Further and Higher Education has said it is important that clarity on the reopening of indoor hospitality is given as soon as possible and that he expects the Cabinet to make a decision tomorrow.

And (edit)

Mr Martin said that international travel should resume from 19 July as Ireland enters the EU Digital Covid Certificate system.

The aim is to enable anyone vaccinated against Covid-19, or who has tested negative or recently recovered from the virus, to travel within the EU.

He said: "We have given a commitment in relation to the 19th, so I think we will continue to operate the Digital Certificate."

zackory

TomTomTim wrote: »

South Africa bans alcohol sales to fight country's latest Covid-19 surge


Maybe we should go all in, and follow the example of the great state of South Africa.

Pointless comparison.

We are flying through vaccinations, they are not.

namloc1980

zackory wrote: »

Here is some examples.

Mr Ryan told RTÉ's This Week programme yesterday that if the Government's reopening plan had to be delayed, it may only be for two weeks as it could then coincide with the return of international travel under the EU Digital Covid Cert on 19 July.

The Minister for Further and Higher Education has said it is important that clarity on the reopening of indoor hospitality is given as soon as possible and that he expects the Cabinet to make a decision tomorrow.

Neither of those statements say there'll be no other review.

stephenjmcd

zackory wrote: »

Here is some examples.

Mr Ryan told RTÉ's This Week programme yesterday that if the Government's reopening plan had to be delayed, it may only be for two weeks as it could then coincide with the return of international travel under the EU Digital Covid Cert on 19 July.

The Minister for Further and Higher Education has said it is important that clarity on the reopening of indoor hospitality is given as soon as possible and that he expects the Cabinet to make a decision tomorrow.

Both calling for clairty asap etc but nowhere does it say there won't be another review.

NPHET meet every 2 weeks so your guaranteed there'll be another set of advice issued to government before the 19th. What is says... who knows, I think they get 1 delay at this and thats it

stephenjmcd

Latest from Leo

https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1409454754355367938?s=20

Van.Bosch

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Latest from Leo

https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1409454754355367938?s=20

Reads to me like “we’re delaying but don’t blame me, I’m on your side”

zackory

namloc1980 wrote: »

Neither of those statements say there'll be no other review.

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Both calling for clairty asap etc but nowhere does it say there won't be another review.

NPHET meet every 2 weeks so your guaranteed there'll be another set of advice issued to government before the 19th. What is says... who knows, I think they get 1 delay at this and thats it

Thats what I am saying and the politicians seem to be saying the same thing. Its pretty much 2 weeks and game over.

There won't be another circus, beginning again around the end of next week about another delay and going through this whole process again.

dashoonage

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Latest from Leo

https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1409454754355367938?s=20

i dunno how in 2021 we have some lad holding up a hashtag

thebronze14

M_Murphy57 wrote: »

Just posted this on another thread, but "save one life a year" is literally where are at now

Rte reporting that NPHET models show a delay of 2 weeks could reduce case by 10%. At our current levels that's 30 people*, mostly young people who wont even have symptoms let alone end up in hospital or die. Extending pup and business support for 2 weeks will cost a few hundred million.

So burn a few hundred million to stop 30 asymptomatic cases that will be no burden on the health system? Have we officially completely lost the plot?



*to try to make the numbers sound big and scary, rte mentioned that under "certain special circumstances" we could be at 1000 cases by July 5th meaning we would prevent a whole 100 cases. Obviously they didn't elaborate on these "special" vague circumstances were. Follow the science.

It's absolutely mind boggling and infuriating! The decision makers have lost all semblance of acceptable risk and personal responsibility. Feel helpless to do anything about the situation. Have emailed my TD's on a couple of occasions but all I get are vague generic responses or move along like a good boy there's nothing to see here.

The most worrying thing here is that there is zero discussion about when this all ends in Ireland like it has done in Iceland, America and about to in the UK. Doesn't have to be a 'freedom day' or a date guessed but there needs to be some discussion as to when restrictions will lapse. It seemed like when we have herd immunity after most are vaccinated would be the point but there's already talk here and elsewhere of further lockdowns in the Winter. Not much fun when you've already postponed your wedding twice!

I finally have noticed people speaking out publicly about the ridiculous attendance restrictions at events at the moment. On the Sunday game they rightly gave out about the nonsensicalness of the whole thing at the moment and the pointlessness of the trial evens. It's clear that they are just a fob to say they are trying to do something. This 'festival' in Kilmainham is the best yet. In England they had a reduced Download festival for 10k people with everything you would get at a normal festival. This one is seated with social distancing between pods. Like wtf is going to be learned from that?! I'm not sure if they are trolling us at the moment or have they been completely paralysed by fear. Seeing MM sniffing around Slatterys near the Aviva looking for votes yesterday for the DBS FF candidate makes me feel that it's a bit of both!

gozunda

zackory wrote: »

Pointless comparison.

We are flying through vaccinations, they are not.

Don't think you're being quite consistent there tbh....

zackory wrote: »

We've actually had indoor dining since June 2nd. Rules not been enforced so hotels are making the most of it, ultimately being extremely busy, creating potential super spreader events, yet government pretend its not happening.

zackory wrote: »

Do you understand the concept of an initial demand of people wanting to all go out and then after a couple of weeks it eases off?

Also plenty of places closed so others are busier.

And what about the manky evening when the misty rain comes in and its game over.

If we're flying though vaccinations as you say - why do you think people wanting to go out will create potential super spreader events?

Penfailed

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Demand may be high from those who have been cooped up for most of the last year and understandably want a change of scenery, but I wonder how many will return, or as often, under the current setups once the novelty of eating out/in again has worn off.

As Dempo said, dining is as much an experience (that we pay a premium for) as anything else. I'd be inclined to agree with him that sitting in a confined/limited space, having screens or masked servers around me (and having to mask on/off if I want to go to the toilet or whatever), and paying (presumably) more than before to cover the added costs of all this, doesn't sound very appealing - nor does the idea of having to plan and schedule everything rather than spontaneously deciding to just go for a bit to eat.

Not my idea of a fun evening out TBH.

Don't do it then. I'll be eating out as soon as it's possible. I will no doubt enjoy it too. Those things that annoy you about screens, servers wearing masks and booking ahead don't bother me in the slightest.

namloc1980

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Latest from Leo

https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1409454754355367938?s=20

2 week delay for a 10% case reduction. Is that where we are now with this modelling? Continue to cripple businesses for a whole 30 or so cases a day where statistically none of those will be hospitalised or die. Said it before, but we've absolutely lost the plot in this country. This government has no ability at all to measure risk.

_Kaiser_

dashoonage wrote: »

i dunno how in 2021 we have some lad holding up a hashtag

Leo loves his Twitter profile and trends. Yer man holding the sign doesn't look happy though!

Leftwaffe

Curtains for Fianna Fail. Shambles.

_Kaiser_

Penfailed wrote: »

Don't do it then. I'll be eating out as soon as it's possible. I will no doubt enjoy it too. Those things that annoy you about screens, servers wearing masks and booking ahead don't bother me in the slightest.

I don't plan to. Why would I pay a premium for an unsatisfactory experience? (and I don't blame the staff or restaurant owners at all - they are only doing what they must to be compliant with this nonsense).

I'd say that once the novelty of being out for dinner again wears off, a lot of people won't return either until we get back to a real level of normality.

VinLieger

So this is Leo saying i would make a decision whereas Martin will just wait for whoever is advising him to tell him what to do?

namloc1980

VinLieger wrote: »

So this is Leo saying i would make a decision whereas Martin will just wait for whoever is advising him to tell him what to do?

Martin is a career bureaucrat. Hiding behind "expert advice" is all he knows. He has no ability to analyse and make risk based decisions.

zackory

gozunda wrote: »

If we're flying though vaccinations as you say - why do you think people wanting to go out will create potential super spreader events?

Because the younger people are not vaccinated yet. And they can spread the virus between themselves.

But its mainly a casedemic for the them so we won't be seeing them cause the hospital system to collapse.

But you know all this of course.

BringBackMick

The worst part of this is that the people pro keeping restrictions are largely older cohorts who are double vaxxed, they'll never want any reopening

M_Murphy57

namloc1980 wrote: »

Martin is a career bureaucrat. Hiding behind "expert advice" is all he knows. He has no ability to analyse and make risk based decisions.

He keeps mentioning the NIAC decision on Az for under 30s as being a key part of his decision too. It seems unlikely NIAC will sign off in Az for people in their 20s after so publically saying it was too dangerous for people in their 40s.

MM knows this so is setting up his excuses early ie "if only we'd been allowed give Az to the under 30s in September, we could've opened indoor dining in July but now we can do neither through no fault that can be attributed to me personally"

normanoffside

Looks like McConkey has defected from ISAG now as they are retweeting criticism of him for his talk with Claire earlier.

Deeper Blue

munchkin_utd wrote: »

https://twitter.com/TodaywithClaire/status/1409441518281183233?s=20

flip sakes! Its the likes of him with the zero covid agenda which stifled any talk of a balanced aproach.

Anyhow, its to be welcomed even though I am wondering, whats the catch ?

He won't be invited back on that programme again, that's far too positive for Claire Byrne.

VinLieger

normanoffside wrote: »

Looks like McConkey has defected from ISAG now as they are retweeting criticism of him for his talk with Claire earlier.

I was wondering if theres been a separation, unlike the other zealots theres no mention of ISAG in his twitter Bio

dominatinMC

munchkin_utd wrote: »

https://twitter.com/TodaywithClaire/status/1409441518281183233?s=20

flip sakes! Its the likes of him with the zero covid agenda which stifled any talk of a balanced aproach.

Anyhow, its to be welcomed even though I am wondering, whats the catch ?

Jesus, Sam has certainly changed his tune.
Maybe the data coming from the vaccines couldn't be ignored any longer and he finally started to see the light:pac:

dominatinMC

BringBackMick wrote: »

The worst part of this is that the people pro keeping restrictions are largely older cohorts who are double vaxxed, they'll never want any reopening

Do you have any proof of that? Any older person I know can't wait to get out and about again.

shockframe

BringBackMick wrote: »

The worst part of this is that the people pro keeping restrictions are largely older cohorts who are double vaxxed, they'll never want any reopening

Restrict access to alcohol or Close off licences and find out how keen they are on lockdown then.

Graham

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Latest from Leo

https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1409454754355367938?s=20

Which continues......


https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1409457625314562061

namloc1980

What happened to the much vaunted "vaccine bonus"? It was all we heard about through out March and April. Then nada. I'm fully vaxxed and it means fook all in the scheme of things.

VinLieger

Graham wrote: »

Which continues......


https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1409457625314562061

This is all part of the problem, the stop, start, stop, start leaking is fvcking with people. Over a week of back and forth of "if and but" speculation helps nobody. We need a decision not more confusion like Leo is spewing.