Three people escape from quarantine

Strumms

On further inspection the actual ATCP cover...

“To Aid the Civil Power/Aid to the Civil Authority (meaning in practice to assist, when requested, the Garda Síochána, who have primary responsibility for law and order, including the protection of the internal security of the State).”

They already assist the Gardai, in doing cash escorts etc, not much different. It’s constitutional, it’s allowed.

volchitsa

Man Vs ManUre wrote: »

No family of 5 would pay €5K for a cramped hotel suite like that, where you are not even allowed outside, or if you are you get let out for few mins when it suits your captors. And normally when you pay so much you get a bit of choice in what you get.
For €5K you could get a month rent of a large house in Dublin, and that is even with the high rent prices. And you could easily feed yourself within that price.
I don’t know why this family didn’t fly a day or so earlier, seeing as their reason for travel was a permanent family move.
Also, am not sure how a smoker or person with fear of confined space can put up with this quarantine. I can understand prisoners losing their rights but these people as to pay €5K.

It's the same for anyone arriving in Australia. Worse apparently. There's a pandemic, in case you hadn't noticed. :rolleyes:

Strumms

Man Vs ManUre wrote: »

Also, am not sure how a smoker or person with fear of confined space can put up with this quarantine. I can understand prisoners losing their rights but these people as to pay €5K.

Well most smokers are quite fond of disregarding the health of other people around them anyway so..they simply must put up with it, be team players and do something for somebody else for a change.

Don’t want to quarantine, don’t travel.

gmisk

Man Vs ManUre wrote: »

No family of 5 would pay €5K for a cramped hotel suite like that, where you are not even allowed outside, or if you are you get let out for few mins when it suits your captors. And normally when you pay so much you get a bit of choice in what you get.
For €5K you could get a month rent of a large house in Dublin, and that is even with the high rent prices. And you could easily feed yourself within that price.
I don’t know why this family didn’t fly a day or so earlier, seeing as their reason for travel was a permanent family move.
Also, am not sure how a smoker or person with fear of confined space can put up with this quarantine. I can understand prisoners losing their rights but these people as to pay €5K.

Absolute nonsense they knew the rules if they don't like them don't travel. Other countries like er the country they came from have even stricter quarantine.

"Fear of confined space"...after arriving...on a plane....lol

Strumms

Strumms wrote: »

Well most smokers are quite fond of disregarding the health of other people around them anyway so..

Don’t want to quarantine, don’t travel.

Don't want to quarantine; come back to Dublin through a country which allows you to transfer and then don't declare that you were transfering through a restricted country... or arrive back in to Belfast and make your way from there.

As far as I can see they could have flown from Dubai to Frankfurt and from there on to Dublin. arriving in Dublin they could say they were coming from Germany and they would have had no problems.

Strumms

Deleted User wrote: »

Don't want to quarantine; come back to Dublin through a country which allows you to transfer and then don't declare that you were transfering through a restricted country... or arrive back in to Belfast and make your way from there.

As far as I can see they could have flown from Dubai to Frankfurt and from there on to Dublin. arriving in Dublin they could say they were coming from Germany and they would have had no problems.

And if they are asked for their passport, boarding pass, ticket ? Somewhere there will be evidence. . On checking in they’ll receive boarding passes. On arriving here they’ll be checked..

volchitsa

Deleted User wrote: »

Don't want to quarantine; come back to Dublin through a country which allows you to transfer and then don't declare that you were transfering through a restricted country... or arrive back in to Belfast and make your way from there.

As far as I can see they could have flown from Dubai to Frankfurt and from there on to Dublin. arriving in Dublin they could say they were coming from Germany and they would have had no problems.

What makes you think they could arrive from Germany as though they had âssed through customs there, with no sign of being onward from Australia via Dubai? As I understand it, Germany is very strict about letting travellers in without negative PCR tests and in some cases quarantine, not even from France or Belgium at the moment, so it's unlike they'd be let mix with the ordinary "local" travellers while they were in transit.

volchitsa

volchitsa wrote: »

What makes you think they could arrive from Germany as though they had âssed through customs there, with no sign of being onward from Australia via Dubai?

Entry restrictions
Restrictions on travel from countries with coronavirus variants
A travel ban has been imposed on countries with widespread occurrence of SARS-CoV-2 virus variants of concern (referred to as “areas of variant of concern”). Transport companies, e.g. air carriers and railway companies, may not transport any persons from these countries to Germany. There are only a few, strictly defined exceptions to this travel ban, namely for:

Persons who are resident in Germany with a current right to reside in the country
Persons on connecting flights, who do not leave the transit zone of an international airport
Few other special cases

acequion

gmisk wrote: »

Absolute nonsense they knew the rules if they don't like them don't travel. Other countries like er the country they came from have even stricter quarantine.

"Fear of confined space"...after arriving...on a plane....lol

Jesus but the complete lack of empathy for other people's concerns, even where it involves young children, is staggering. :eek:

That level of one track thinking is totalitarian.

I really feel for those people. I'd be amazed if after such a horrible experience and the cold attitude of the Irish, they don't bitterly regret their decision to come back. But hopefully, posters on boards don't represent the whole population.

volchitsa

Deleted User wrote: »

Entry restrictions
Restrictions on travel from countries with coronavirus variants
A travel ban has been imposed on countries with widespread occurrence of SARS-CoV-2 virus variants of concern (referred to as “areas of variant of concern”). Transport companies, e.g. air carriers and railway companies, may not transport any persons from these countries to Germany. There are only a few, strictly defined exceptions to this travel ban, namely for:

Persons who are resident in Germany with a current right to reside in the country
Persons on connecting flights, who do not leave the transit zone of an international airport
Few other special cases

Exactly. They wouldn't be able to pretend to have been arriving from Germany.

Rodin

acequion wrote: »

Jesus but the complete lack of empathy for other people's concerns, even where it involves young children, is staggering. :eek:

That level of one track thinking is totalitarian.

I really feel for those people. I'd be amazed if after such a horrible experience and the cold attitude of the Irish, they don't bitterly regret their decision to come back. But hopefully, posters on boards don't represent the whole population.

Why do you "feel" for them?
They signed up for what they're getting.
You may not feel for them so much if they brought Covid back from overseas. This reduces the chances of them doing this.

If you arrive from Germany you will get in to Ireland without quarantine.
Border Security will not know you passed through Dubai. If they checked they might but they won't. Ad additional ticket one way originating from Germany if you want to cover your tracks will do.
It is perfectly possible to still get back to Ireland from Australia or even Dubai while observing restrictions at each possible waypoint but you need to plan a circuitous route.

whisky_galore

acequion wrote: »

Jesus but the complete lack of empathy for other people's concerns, even where it involves young children, is staggering. :eek:

That level of one track thinking is totalitarian.

I really feel for those people. I'd be amazed if after such a horrible experience and the cold attitude of the Irish, they don't bitterly regret their decision to come back. But hopefully, posters on boards don't represent the whole population.

They had a nice life in a nice climate in Oz. If I was in their position I'd bloody well stay where I was and be thankful!

Wtf brought them here, like, right now, at this point in time?

Chris_5339762

whisky_galore wrote: »

They had a nice life in a nice climate in Oz. If I was in their position I'd bloody well stay where I was and be thankful!

Wtf brought them here, like, right now, at this point in time?

Thats what I just can't fathom. For heavens sake stay in Australia if you're there, at the moment. Even if a parent was dieing, I'm sure that parent would say "For heavens sake stay in Australia".

Strumms

Simply they don’t care... if their behavior made people ill or worse, they don’t care, just can’t be bothered doing their bit.

Valhallapt

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Don't want to quarantine; come back to Dublin through a country which allows you to transfer and then don't declare that you were transfering through a restricted country... or arrive back in to Belfast and make your way from there.

As far as I can see they could have flown from Dubai to Frankfurt and from there on to Dublin. arriving in Dublin they could say they were coming from Germany and they would have had no problems.

Yes the government has now incentivised everyone to lie about where they came from. Just connect in London to a Belfast. Only sensible option for families

acequion

Rodin wrote: »

Why do you "feel" for them?
They signed up for what they're getting.
You may not feel for them so much if they brought Covid back from overseas. This reduces the chances of them doing this.

Your reply signifies your inability to view things from any other perspective than your own. I suspect that it's hardly worth my bothering to explain my perspective but I shall try.

Firstly I feel for them because they are in a horrible situation. Compassionate people can empathise with those who are unhappy in a situation regardless of whether they "sign up for it" or not.

Secondly it might amaze you to discover that some of us don't view everyone as nasty Covid vectors to be held under lock and key. Including the many who actually are Covid vectors and Covid positive and who are pretty much at liberty to roam our communities. Personally, I take my precautions, though I'm at risk every day in my job, but thankfully I haven't lost my basic respect for others.

And finally this whole MHQ is an absolute farce. It would be one thing if it was done at the start, but it wasn't. The whole thing is the Govt's clumsy attempt to appease the angry masses because they were too lax at Christmas.

So I very much feel for those unfortunates caught up in this, while at the same time wondering why they want to come here so badly that they have walked themselves into it. But they have their stories and their perspectives like the rest of us.

tom1ie

acequion wrote: »

Jesus but the complete lack of empathy for other people's concerns, even where it involves young children, is staggering. :eek:

That level of one track thinking is totalitarian.

I really feel for those people. I'd be amazed if after such a horrible experience and the cold attitude of the Irish, they don't bitterly regret their decision to come back. But hopefully, posters on boards don't represent the whole population.

What about protecting the general population from the potential of importing variants?
Have you no empathy yourself?

acequion

whisky_galore wrote: »

They had a nice life in a nice climate in Oz. If I was in their position I'd bloody well stay where I was and be thankful!

Wtf brought them here, like, right now, at this point in time?

I completely agree with you there. But the fact is, they did and they'll have their reasons. Useless to say, "If I was them, I'd blah, blah". We're not them.

LameBeaver

acequion wrote: »

Jesus but the complete lack of empathy for other people's concerns, even where it involves young children, is staggering. :eek:

That level of one track thinking is totalitarian.

I really feel for those people. I'd be amazed if after such a horrible experience and the cold attitude of the Irish, they don't bitterly regret their decision to come back. But hopefully, posters on boards don't represent the whole population.

Ah yes chief. Playing the "won`t someone please think of the children" card again I see. Wind your neck in. Fact is they knew what they were getting into and the vast majority of people have quite rightly zero sympathy for them and no not just the ones on boards.

acequion

tom1ie wrote: »

What about protecting the general population from the potential of importing variants?
Have you no empathy yourself?

Gotta love the typical tactics of totalitarians when anybody deviates from the dictates or even questions them. :pac:

Society is littered with examples of repressive laws claiming to be in the interests of "protecting the general population."

ThunbergsAreGo

acequion wrote: »

Jesus but the complete lack of empathy for other people's concerns, even where it involves young children, is staggering. :eek:

That level of one track thinking is totalitarian.

I really feel for those people. I'd be amazed if after such a horrible experience and the cold attitude of the Irish, they don't bitterly regret their decision to come back. But hopefully, posters on boards don't represent the whole population.

Pandemic has brought out the worst in people

acequion

LameBeaver wrote: »

Ah yes chief. Playing the "won`t someone please think of the children" card again I see. Fact is they knew what they were getting into and the vast majority of people have quite rightly zero sympathy for them and no not just the ones on boards.

"Quite rightly zero sympathy" Wow! Sorry "chief" but zero sympathy is a concept alien to how I live my life.

volchitsa

Deleted User wrote: »

If you arrive from Germany you will get in to Ireland without quarantine.
Border Security will not know you passed through Dubai. If they checked they might but they won't. Ad additional ticket one way originating from Germany if you want to cover your tracks will do.
It is perfectly possible to still get back to Ireland from Australia or even Dubai while observing restrictions at each possible waypoint but you need to plan a circuitous route.

No it won't, because you have to go outside the security area to check back in.
As for "they don't check you", well that's no excuse. I know they didn't when there were no travel bans, but maybe they do now. They certainly should.

volchitsa

volchitsa wrote: »

No it won't, because you have to go outside the security area to check back in.
As for "they don't check you", well that's no excuse. I know they didn't when there were no travel bans, but maybe they do now. They certainly should.

https://www.frankfurt-airport.com/en/flights-and-transfer/transferring-at-fra.html

tom1ie

acequion wrote: »

Gotta love the typical tactics of totalitarians when anybody deviates from the dictates or even questions them. :pac:

Society is littered with examples of repressive laws claiming to be in the interests of "protecting the general population."

So you just want to let people in left right and centre?
Sounds like turkeys voting for Christmas to me.

whisky_galore

acequion wrote: »

I completely agree with you there. But the fact is, they did and they'll have their reasons. Useless to say, "If I was them, I'd blah, blah". We're not them.

Must be awful having to live in that disease ridden bombed out hellhole that is Perth and take an inflatable raft to get here.

I guess fair play for sticking up for this crew, you are but a voice in the wilderness.

mrblack

Alaninwondeand wrote:

I can see the Chinese media running a story about a Chinese person being quarantined in Ireland. The internet is shyte, the room is small ect. Socialism eh.

I wonder if the said Chinese media advised that foreigners coming into China were forced to have an anal swab for COVID even if vaccinated by a non Chinese vaccine.

LameBeaver

acequion wrote: »

"Quite rightly zero sympathy" Wow! Sorry "chief" but zero sympathy is a concept alien to how I live my life.

As I said these people knew what they getting into before they travelled to this country. By the way nice deflection attempt by you playing the "totalitarian "card now too I see chief. What`s next on the checkliist ?

For Forks Sake

For Forks Sake wrote: »

Over 55000 new cases since March 1st.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/united-arab-emirates/

To put a bit of context on this:

• The UAE usually conducts around 230,000 tests per day.
  
• The daily positivity rate for the past week is around 0.9.
  
• The UAE has administered a total of 8,081,751 vaccine doses as of yesterday, which is 81.71 doses per 100 people.

JustAThought

[Deleted User] wrote: »

To put a bit of context on this:

• The UAE usually conducts around 230,000 tests per day.
  
• The daily positivity rate for the past week is around 0.9.
  
• The UAE has administered a total of 8,081,751 vaccine doses as of yesterday, which is 81.71 doses per 100 people.

And 45,000 plus new covid variant cases.

I’d really not be taking too much stock in stats from a government/ruling familys member and ‘ diplomats’ who LIQUEFIED his media opponent in an acid bath at their embassy and burned the bones in a BBQ pit.

let alone the many other anomolies - like being imprisoned for a year for reporting being a victim of rape and so being guilty of sex before marriage etc.

This of course whispered from under my burka.

and of course we have the case of the Irish family whose poor child was incenerated in a faulty air conditioning fire and is living with life changing burns and missing limbs but their government has refused to press criminal charges against the long list of documented faulty repairs and complaints and fraudelent work that caused the fire. No place for that child in a saudi hospital either - of course - somehow justified.

Of course the inept shambollic planning and year late response to the influx of covid exposed people into this country is at the root of all this. And the usual ball clutching mutterings of impotent men in power who blame everyone but themselves for not doing proper planning and provision for protecting the public. I can just hear it - tell the army to ring the police if they see anyone running away. Just a total f*ing farce.

acequion

whisky_galore wrote: »

Must be awful having to live in that disease ridden bombed out hellhole that is Perth and take an inflatable raft to get here.

I guess fair play for sticking up for this crew, you are but a voice in the wilderness.

You might like to think I'm a voice in the wilderness but thankfully there are a lot of rational voices like mine calling out this farce. And interesting you mention a wilderness which is what Ireland may yet become economically and geo politically as a result of these crazy policies.

No idea what your first point is getting at. I said nothing about Perth or life there, maybe you're just getting a bit carried away. :rolleyes:

tom1ie wrote: »

So you just want to let people in left right and centre?

Please show me where I said that??

Rodin

acequion wrote: »

Your reply signifies your inability to view things from any other perspective than your own. I suspect that it's hardly worth my bothering to explain my perspective but I shall try.

Firstly I feel for them because they are in a horrible situation. Compassionate people can empathise with those who are unhappy in a situation regardless of whether they "sign up for it" or not.

Secondly it might amaze you to discover that some of us don't view everyone as nasty Covid vectors to be held under lock and key. Including the many who actually are Covid vectors and Covid positive and who are pretty much at liberty to roam our communities. Personally, I take my precautions, though I'm at risk every day in my job, but thankfully I haven't lost my basic respect for others.

And finally this whole MHQ is an absolute farce. It would be one thing if it was done at the start, but it wasn't. The whole thing is the Govt's clumsy attempt to appease the angry masses because they were too lax at Christmas.

So I very much feel for those unfortunates caught up in this, while at the same time wondering why they want to come here so badly that they have walked themselves into it. But they have their stories and their perspectives like the rest of us.

I save my compassion for those who lost someone to Covid. Not a family in two 4star bedrooms, just off the beaches of Perth who will have their loves and liberty returned in 12 days.

I agree it should have been done a year ago and should have included everyone irrespective of passport.

tom1ie

acequion wrote: »

You might like to think I'm a voice in the wilderness but thankfully there are a lot of rational voices like mine calling out this farce. And interesting you mention a wilderness which is what Ireland may yet become economically and geo politically as a result of these crazy policies.

No idea what your first point is getting at. I said nothing about Perth or life there, maybe you're just getting a bit carried away. :rolleyes:



Please show me where I said that??

You don’t agree with quarantine, so tell us your plan

LameBeaver

acequion wrote: »

You might like to think I'm a voice in the wilderness but thankfully there are a lot of rational voices like mine calling out this farce. And interesting you mention a wilderness which is what Ireland may yet become economically and geo politically as a result of these crazy policies.

No idea what your first point is getting at. I said nothing about Perth or life there, maybe you're just getting a bit carried away. :rolleyes:



Please show me where I said that??

Time for you and others of your kind to open your eyes and look around what is happening around most of Europe right now. But then that wouldn`t suit your bitter agenda would it?

acequion

LameBeaver wrote: »

As I said these people knew what they getting into before they travelled to this country. By the way nice deflection attempt by you playing the "totalitarian "card now too I see chief. What`s next on the checkliist ?

So some of you guys are not using the "oh but we're in a deadly pandemic" card to justify the zero sympathy stance!

Zero sympathy and extremely repressive restrictions are totalitarian, too bad if that makes you uncomfortable. Pointing out the truth is not a deflection.

JustAThought

tom1ie wrote: »

You don’t agree with quarantine, so tell us your plan

Oh leave the bleeding heart liberal alone. They have already uttered the immortal Joe Duffy line ‘would ya think of de childerren’.

Of course God forbid this be said to the parents who dragged them from a healthy covid free environment , nor to the people who are obeying the rules and protecting their children and families by keeping them safe.

there’s always a whinger banging on about someone elses rights - usually someone who is breaking the law and putting other peoples lives and livliehoods at risk.

I’d like to see this guy who allegedly crossed back over the border extradited and prosecuted - a big 10k fine should keep me happy. Hopefully he’ll have to sell his car or remortgage his house to pay it.

If they are allowed walk free it’s a total farce.

acequion

LameBeaver wrote: »

Time for you and others of your kind to open your eyes and look around what is happening around most of Europe right now. But then that wouldn`t suit your bitter agenda would it?

"Others of your kind" "Bitter"

Take a look a look in the mirror there pal. I don't think the one who said that they feel for others and have sympathy is the bitter one.

And whoever the "others of your kind" are?? People who feel sympathy perhaps?You're running out of ideas now it seems and resorting to petty insults.

yabadabado

I see that 2 of the 3 people who left the quarantine hotel have been located.
What happens now ,they just start off from day one again or is there any consequences?

tom1ie

tom1ie wrote: »

You don’t agree with quarantine, so tell us your plan

PCR test on entry where you have spent more than an hour or two outside an airport terminal from high risk countries with self-isolation in your own home or place of your choosing following by further tests in subsequent days with self-isolation lifted if tests pass like any other country which respects the rights of citizens.

acequion

JustAThought wrote: »

Oh leave the bleeding heart liberal alone. They have already uttered the immortal Joe Duffy line ‘would ya think of de childerren’.

Of course God forbid this be said to the parents who dragged them from a healthy covid free environment , nor to the people who are obeying the rules and protecting their children and families by keeping them safe.

there’s always a whinger banging on about someone elses rights - usually someone who is breaking the law and putting other peoples lives and livliehoods at risk.

I’d like to see this guy who allegedly crossed back over the border extradited and prosecuted - a big 10k fine should keep me happy. Hopefully he’ll have to sell his car or remortgage his house to pay it.

If they are allowed walk free it’s a total farce.

Even the way you write, examples emboldened, shows the utter futility of engaging with you. Like many on this thread, you resort to petty insults when anybody disagrees with your wild rants.

As another poster already pointed out, the pandemic has really brought out the worst in people and the attitudes of many here typify that.

I hope none of you people are ever in need of the sympathy of strangers.

I'm done here.

LameBeaver

yabadabado wrote: »

I see that 2 of the 3 people who left the quarantine hotel have been located.
What happens now ,they just start off from day one again or is there any consequences?

Yes. Hopefully a large fine/and/or jail time for them.

volchitsa

volchitsa wrote: »

I read that foreigners arriving in Shanghai are put up in a 5* hotel, at their own expense, like here. I don't know what the Crowne Plaza is like but if the rooms are tiny, maybe a second hotel that's top of the range should also be available if people can pay for it?

Last March, anyone arriving into Shanghai was put in a hotel at their own expense. There was no economy class hotel, luck of the draw, same price for everyone. You could get a nice place or a kip. Same price.



I don't think anyone flying in from Dubai is short of a few quid.

Deleted User

Deleted User wrote: »

I don't think anyone flying in from Dubai is short of a few quid.

People transit through Dubai.

Deleted User

Deleted User wrote: »

People transit through Dubai.

That doesn't negate my point.

LameBeaver

acequion wrote: »

Even the way you write, examples emboldened, shows the utter futility of engaging with you. Like many on this thread, you resort to petty insults when anybody disagrees with your wild rants.

As another poster already pointed out, the pandemic has really brought out the worst in people and the attitudes of many here typify that.

I hope none of you people are ever in need of the sympathy of strangers.

I'm done here.

After reading most of vour hyberboiic hysterical "totalitarian restrictions" nonsense posts I see that you then have the brass neck to accuse others of indulging in wild rants. Jesus wept.:rolleyes: About time for you to "look in the mirror" chief.

Deleted User

Deleted User wrote: »

That doesn't negate my point.

but it does.

“It is very unfair that a nurse and a truck driver have to pay more than €5,000 of a hotel bill just because our plane landed in Dubai on the way to Dublin."

https://www.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/irish-mother-in-quarantine-renews-appeal-for-family-to-be-released-from-unsuitable-hotel-rooms-40246416.html

JustAThought

acequion wrote: »

Even the way you write, examples emboldened, shows the utter futility of engaging with you. Like many on this thread, you resort to petty insults when anybody disagrees with your wild rants.

As another poster already pointed out, the pandemic has really brought out the worst in people and the attitudes of many here typify that.

I hope none of you people are ever in need of the sympathy of strangers.

I'm done here.

Save your worthless left wing sympathy for the victims of covid - not those and their families whinging and trying to break the rules and out everybodies lifes at risk not to mention the economy and our way of life we all want to get back to. I hear there’s a go-fund me for Margaret Cash and her husband - the one who terrorised that elderly pensioner in Bray and told he would cut off her fingers if she did not give him her wedding ring. Should suit your sympathies nicely. I think their 7 ‘homeless’ kids would like another pony too - you can read all about it in the sun.

Poor diddums.

tom1ie

acequion wrote: »

"Others of your kind" "Bitter"

Take a look a look in the mirror there pal. I don't think the one who said that they feel for others and have sympathy is the bitter one.

And whoever the "others of your kind" are?? People who feel sympathy perhaps?You're running out of ideas now it seems and resorting to petty insults.

Are you going to tell us what your plan is as you think quarantine is so morally wrong

CosmicFool

Deleted User wrote: »

PCR test on entry where you have spent more than an hour or two outside an airport terminal from high risk countries with self-isolation in your own home or place of your choosing following by further tests in subsequent days with self-isolation lifted if tests pass like any other country which respects the rights of citizens.

You can't trust people to self isolate. It's been tried and failed. I know a few people who had to self isolate and oy did it for a few days. Having a negative pcr test is great before you fly but you know you can contact it during your travels right?