Three people escape from quarantine

tom1ie · 28-03-2021 11:55am

acequion wrote: »

If we're going to descend into name calling the "morons" are not the ones calling out this farce for exactly what it is. The morons and I could think of plenty other words to describe them such is my disgust, are the ones who have hysterically demanded the outrageously expensive detention of healthy Covid negative adults and children, while several Covid positive and their close contacts wander the community at will.

The whole thing is a complete sham, utterly meaningless at this late point in the pandemic and I have every sympathy for the unfortunate individuals stuck in these detention centres.

Great for the hotels tbf.
All travellers into Ireland including Irish citizens should have mandatory quarantine imposed on them.

Graham · 28-03-2021 11:56am

kooreczka wrote: »

Why hotel quarantine at all...to make money,

much more likely to be a net cost to the state rather than a profit.

tom1ie · 28-03-2021 11:58am

vicwatson wrote: »

2 have now been rounded up 1 to go

I wonder will they get fined and/or jailed?

KrustyUCC · 28-03-2021 11:59am

Allowing outdoor exercise and cigarette breaks was madness in the first place

In Australia you're in the room all the time

I presume that these will now not be allowed in the future after the escapes

gmisk · 28-03-2021 11:59am

Graham wrote: »

much more likely to be a net cost to the state rather than a profit.

Exactly

tom1ie · 28-03-2021 11:59am

Graham wrote: »

much more likely to be a net cost to the state rather than a profit.

Are all costs not down to the people having to quarantine?

Graham · 28-03-2021 12:05pm

tom1ie wrote: »

Are all costs not down to the people having to quarantine?

I doubt the charges will fully cover the costs

scouserstation · 28-03-2021 12:37pm

An incident like this was inevitable, this mandatory quarantine idea is doomed to fail from the get go, too many pitfalls and if you dont have substantial public buy in your always going to have problems, its time to scrap this ridiculous "plan" and instead introduce a proper travel certificate and track and trace plan for international visitors

tom1ie · 28-03-2021 1:07pm

Graham wrote: »

I doubt the charges will fully cover the costs

Why?

ArmaniJeanss · 28-03-2021 1:14pm

tom1ie wrote: »

Why?

Presumably the quarantineers are paying the hotel rate, but the extraneous admin costs of the whole scheme is an expense solely for the state.

Yesterdays 'hunt' alone and the man hours it involved would probably put the scheme costs into the red.

Kunta Kinte · 28-03-2021 1:20pm

ArmaniJeanss wrote: »

Presumably the quarantineers are paying the hotel rate, but the extraneous admin costs of the whole scheme is an expense solely for the state.

Yesterdays 'hunt' alone and the man hours it involved would probably put the scheme costs into the red.

Those extra costs should be passed on to the ones responsible. Hopefully they will be made an example of.

threeball · 28-03-2021 1:21pm

ArmaniJeanss wrote: »

Presumably the quarantineers are paying the hotel rate, but the extraneous admin costs of the whole scheme is an expense solely for the state.

Yesterdays 'hunt' alone and the man hours it involved would probably put the scheme costs into the red.

Far cheaper than keeping the country shut. The absconders should have to shoulder the additional costs.

Kunta Kinte · 28-03-2021 1:23pm

Rodin wrote: »

The jail time and fine needs to be enforced.

It's about sending a message...

Absolutely 100%.

ArmaniJeanss · 28-03-2021 1:30pm

Kunta Kinte wrote: »

Those extra costs should be passed on to the ones responsible. Hopefully they will be made an example of.

threeball wrote: »

Far cheaper than keeping the country shut. The absconders should have to shoulder the additional costs.

Rightly or wrongly (probably a debate for somewhere else) it's not the way our justice system works.
We tend to have 'set' penalties - 'commit this offence and be fined €XXX' type of thing.
The actual calculated cost of 'bringing you to justice' isn't something that is added on to the fine. How easy it would be change this I don't know.

Kunta Kinte · 28-03-2021 1:32pm

a_squirrelman wrote: »

No. Not at all. What's the worst that can happen? Mr Judge will find out I had a negative test and went to self isolate.

If you want to go down that route you better have deep pockets and/or be ready to do some jail time.

Graham · 28-03-2021 1:32pm

tom1ie wrote: »

Why?

Mostly because the government don't appear too sure (or are being deliberately vague) how much it's going to cost at this point:

How much this whole system has cost the State to date
Costs will accrue once the system has become operational.

You never know, we might be pleasantly surprised.

I'm not optimistic.

Man Vs ManUre · 28-03-2021 1:40pm

No family of 5 would pay €5K for a cramped hotel suite like that, where you are not even allowed outside, or if you are you get let out for few mins when it suits your captors. And normally when you pay so much you get a bit of choice in what you get.
For €5K you could get a month rent of a large house in Dublin, and that is even with the high rent prices. And you could easily feed yourself within that price.
I don’t know why this family didn’t fly a day or so earlier, seeing as their reason for travel was a permanent family move.
Also, am not sure how a smoker or person with fear of confined space can put up with this quarantine. I can understand prisoners losing their rights but these people as to pay €5K.

Ger Roe · 28-03-2021 1:41pm

Man Vs ManUre wrote: »

No family of 5 would pay €5K for a cramped hotel suite like that, where you are not even allowed outside, or if you are you get let out for few mins when it suits your captors. And normally when you pay so much you get a bit of choice in what you get.
For €5K you could get a month rent of a large house in Dublin, and that is even with the high rent prices. And you could easily feed yourself within that price.
I don’t know why this family didn’t fly a day or so earlier, seeing as their reason for travel was a permanent family move.
Also, am not sure how a smoker or person with fear of confined space can put up with this quarantine. I can understand prisoners losing their rights but these people as to pay €5K.

They don't have to pay anything - the choice to come or not, is theirs.

Strumms · 28-03-2021 1:51pm

is_that_so wrote: »

Supposedly liaison and escort duty but I agree as well as it's not a good look at all.

Why doesn’t it look good ? The constitution allows for the defense forces to act in an ATCP role and part of their job is to provide ‘aid to civil power’, civil power being the Gardai...

Kunta Kinte · 28-03-2021 1:52pm

Man Vs ManUre wrote: »

No family of 5 would pay €5K for a cramped hotel suite like that, where you are not even allowed outside, or if you are you get let out for few mins when it suits your captors. And normally when you pay so much you get a bit of choice in what you get.
For €5K you could get a month rent of a large house in Dublin, and that is even with the high rent prices. And you could easily feed yourself within that price.
I don’t know why this family didn’t fly a day or so earlier, seeing as their reason for travel was a permanent family move.
Also, am not sure how a smoker or person with fear of confined space can put up with this quarantine. I can understand prisoners losing their rights but these people as to pay €5K.

Tough ****e. They know the rules. If they can`t deal with them let them stay where they are and not travel to the country in the first place.

Strumms · 28-03-2021 1:55pm

On further inspection the actual ATCP cover...

“To Aid the Civil Power/Aid to the Civil Authority (meaning in practice to assist, when requested, the Garda Síochána, who have primary responsibility for law and order, including the protection of the internal security of the State).”

They already assist the Gardai, in doing cash escorts etc, not much different. It’s constitutional, it’s allowed.

volchitsa · 28-03-2021 2:12pm

Man Vs ManUre wrote: »

No family of 5 would pay €5K for a cramped hotel suite like that, where you are not even allowed outside, or if you are you get let out for few mins when it suits your captors. And normally when you pay so much you get a bit of choice in what you get.
For €5K you could get a month rent of a large house in Dublin, and that is even with the high rent prices. And you could easily feed yourself within that price.
I don’t know why this family didn’t fly a day or so earlier, seeing as their reason for travel was a permanent family move.
Also, am not sure how a smoker or person with fear of confined space can put up with this quarantine. I can understand prisoners losing their rights but these people as to pay €5K.

It's the same for anyone arriving in Australia. Worse apparently. There's a pandemic, in case you hadn't noticed. :rolleyes:

Strumms · 28-03-2021 2:18pm

Man Vs ManUre wrote: »

Also, am not sure how a smoker or person with fear of confined space can put up with this quarantine. I can understand prisoners losing their rights but these people as to pay €5K.

Well most smokers are quite fond of disregarding the health of other people around them anyway so..they simply must put up with it, be team players and do something for somebody else for a change.

Don’t want to quarantine, don’t travel.

gmisk · 28-03-2021 2:21pm

Man Vs ManUre wrote: »

No family of 5 would pay €5K for a cramped hotel suite like that, where you are not even allowed outside, or if you are you get let out for few mins when it suits your captors. And normally when you pay so much you get a bit of choice in what you get.
For €5K you could get a month rent of a large house in Dublin, and that is even with the high rent prices. And you could easily feed yourself within that price.
I don’t know why this family didn’t fly a day or so earlier, seeing as their reason for travel was a permanent family move.
Also, am not sure how a smoker or person with fear of confined space can put up with this quarantine. I can understand prisoners losing their rights but these people as to pay €5K.

Absolute nonsense they knew the rules if they don't like them don't travel. Other countries like er the country they came from have even stricter quarantine.

"Fear of confined space"...after arriving...on a plane....lol

28-03-2021 2:28pm

Strumms wrote: »

Well most smokers are quite fond of disregarding the health of other people around them anyway so..

Don’t want to quarantine, don’t travel.

Don't want to quarantine; come back to Dublin through a country which allows you to transfer and then don't declare that you were transfering through a restricted country... or arrive back in to Belfast and make your way from there.

As far as I can see they could have flown from Dubai to Frankfurt and from there on to Dublin. arriving in Dublin they could say they were coming from Germany and they would have had no problems.

Strumms · 28-03-2021 2:33pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Don't want to quarantine; come back to Dublin through a country which allows you to transfer and then don't declare that you were transfering through a restricted country... or arrive back in to Belfast and make your way from there.

As far as I can see they could have flown from Dubai to Frankfurt and from there on to Dublin. arriving in Dublin they could say they were coming from Germany and they would have had no problems.

And if they are asked for their passport, boarding pass, ticket ? Somewhere there will be evidence.

. On checking in they’ll receive boarding passes. On arriving here they’ll be checked..

volchitsa · 28-03-2021 2:33pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Don't want to quarantine; come back to Dublin through a country which allows you to transfer and then don't declare that you were transfering through a restricted country... or arrive back in to Belfast and make your way from there.

As far as I can see they could have flown from Dubai to Frankfurt and from there on to Dublin. arriving in Dublin they could say they were coming from Germany and they would have had no problems.

What makes you think they could arrive from Germany as though they had âssed through customs there, with no sign of being onward from Australia via Dubai? As I understand it, Germany is very strict about letting travellers in without negative PCR tests and in some cases quarantine, not even from France or Belgium at the moment, so it's unlike they'd be let mix with the ordinary "local" travellers while they were in transit.

28-03-2021 2:40pm

volchitsa wrote: »

What makes you think they could arrive from Germany as though they had âssed through customs there, with no sign of being onward from Australia via Dubai?

Entry restrictions
Restrictions on travel from countries with coronavirus variants
A travel ban has been imposed on countries with widespread occurrence of SARS-CoV-2 virus variants of concern (referred to as “areas of variant of concern”). Transport companies, e.g. air carriers and railway companies, may not transport any persons from these countries to Germany. There are only a few, strictly defined exceptions to this travel ban, namely for:

Persons who are resident in Germany with a current right to reside in the country
Persons on connecting flights, who do not leave the transit zone of an international airport
Few other special cases

acequion · 28-03-2021 2:50pm

gmisk wrote: »

Absolute nonsense they knew the rules if they don't like them don't travel. Other countries like er the country they came from have even stricter quarantine.

"Fear of confined space"...after arriving...on a plane....lol

Jesus but the complete lack of empathy for other people's concerns, even where it involves young children, is staggering. :eek:

That level of one track thinking is totalitarian.

I really feel for those people. I'd be amazed if after such a horrible experience and the cold attitude of the Irish, they don't bitterly regret their decision to come back. But hopefully, posters on boards don't represent the whole population.

volchitsa · 28-03-2021 2:50pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Entry restrictions
Restrictions on travel from countries with coronavirus variants
A travel ban has been imposed on countries with widespread occurrence of SARS-CoV-2 virus variants of concern (referred to as “areas of variant of concern”). Transport companies, e.g. air carriers and railway companies, may not transport any persons from these countries to Germany. There are only a few, strictly defined exceptions to this travel ban, namely for:

Persons who are resident in Germany with a current right to reside in the country
Persons on connecting flights, who do not leave the transit zone of an international airport
Few other special cases

Exactly. They wouldn't be able to pretend to have been arriving from Germany.

Three people escape from quarantine

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