Relaxation of Restrictions, Part X *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

Zebra3

Deleted User wrote: »

There is a location you can go for regular exercise. It’s called outside. Regular walking running cycling etc and a reasonable diet are all that is needed to maintain a healthy weight

Yeah, cos that's what most people go to the gym for.

You're utter contempt for people is shocking. :rolleyes:

lawred2

[Deleted User] wrote: »

There is a location you can go for regular exercise. It’s called outside. Regular walking running cycling etc and a reasonable diet are all that is needed to maintain a healthy weight

Ah jaysus, will you come down off that high horse of yours!?

FintanMcluskey

I’m not sure advising people to exercise on dark unlit country roads would be wise

Sharpyshoot

This Indian variant will put the tin on 2021. Nphet are creaming themselves on it. I expect a small opening for a meaningful summer but full level 5 from October 2021 to Summer 2022.

Zebra3

Zebra3 wrote: »

Yeah, cos that's what most people go to the gym for.

You're utter contempt for people is shocking. :rolleyes:

The contention was that as the virus is more serious in those overweight and when pointing out that maintaining a healthy weight does not necessarily require access to a gym I get accused of having “utter contempt” for people.

Some people really need to get a handle on their irrational anger, it’s not healthy and the stress will have even more impact on long term health than being overweight

FintanMcluskey

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

I’m not sure advising people to exercise on dark unlit country roads would be wise

https://www.timeanddate.com/sun/@2965232

niallo27

Deleted User wrote: »

The contention was that as the virus is more serious in those overweight and when pointing out that maintaining a healthy weight does not necessarily require access to a gym I get accused of having “utter contempt” for people.

Some people really need to get a handle on their irrational anger, it’s not healthy and the stress will have even more impact on long term health than being overweight

It was the tone of your post, it was condensending and dickish.

Graces7

arccosh wrote: »

You can just not respond and your slot will be given to someone else...


if you respond, it's usually someone who wants the vaccine, just not that type...

But you'll always have people who'll respond saying they don't want it and when asked why they'll make a mountain out of a mole hill making it out the dystopian regime is trying to coerce them into it....

If you don't want it, just don't respond

edit: so no, no visits, it's not 1984

I was invited but am not able so simply said no. End of. It is not mandatory here.

Deleted User

Deleted User wrote: »

There is a location you can go for regular exercise. It’s called outside. Regular walking running cycling etc and a reasonable diet are all that is needed to maintain a healthy weight

But it's hard to maintain a reasonable diet when a person can buy 5 Mars bars for a euro in pound shops but has to pay 3 or 4 euro for a punnet of grapes or sometimes a fiver for strawberries or raspberries in the supermarket. I understand that the fruit is imported and that it's expensive as a result, but it's ridiculous that a person can buy 15 Mars bars for the same price as a punnet of grapes.

niallo27

Lumen wrote: »

The first part of that is myopic. There are lots of signs of this ending, just look at Israel and the UK.

The second part is snowflakey nonsense. Previous generations dealt with far more horrific pandemics and went on to lead happy lives. You think this is bad? Try polio. Wards full of paralysed children.

Did we shut down the whole country and put 100s of thousands out of work and plunged 1000s of children into isolation for polio.

Beasty

Hạ Long Bay wrote: »

When:

In around 2-3 months once once we reach >60% of the population vaccinated.

That's the first dose though. Some may be waiting another 3 months for their second, and the "abundance of caution" policy we seem to be adopting suggests to me that they will continue applying some significant restrictions during that period (even if other countries appear to be opening up more than us)

Stormyteacup

Deleted User wrote: »

There is a location you can go for regular exercise. It’s called outside. Regular walking running cycling etc and a reasonable diet are all that is needed to maintain a healthy weight

It actually is that simple to maintain a healthy weight. But we have an obesity problem in this country and many struggle to maintain a healthy weight, so there must be more complexity to it.

Mental health has an enormous bearing on motivation to get/stay fit and healthy.
Safe to say the past year has taken a toll on a large number of people. They had the cr*p scared out of them at the beginning and a good dose of continual worry-inducing news, some have serious financial worries, most have been touched by loneliness - not a conducive mental state for motivation. And that’s despite the knowledge that exercise and eating well will improve your state of mind.

Then, into the mix, remove the options of team sports, clubs, classes and gyms and put a 5km limit on outdoor exercise along with nonsense such as joggers plumes.

If you have no trouble keeping fit and healthy then good for you. But if it really were that easy then nobody would be overweight.

arccosh

Graces7 wrote: »

I was invited but am not able so simply said no. End of. It is not mandatory here.

exactly!

godzilla89

godzilla89 wrote: »

A walk and a run is enough when your older and live a slow paced life, young people need power sports.

The difference between the person that can snatch 100kg+ and power clean 150kg+ compared to a person doing a healthy walk is staggering, like a different species.

Ireland should have a fat tax like Japan and gyms should be open to facilitate that, they are as important as schools which are opened.

But the person with regular excercise and a healthy body weight is not a increased risk of having adverse outcomes with Covid compared to the power lifter. In fact there is evidence that heart complications associated with Covid are more frequent in power based athletes even though they are healthy.

Zebra3

Beasty wrote: »

That's the first dose though. Some may be waiting another 3 months for their second, and the "abundance of caution" policy we seem to be adopting suggests to me that they will continue applying some significant restrictions during that period (even if other countries appear to be opening up more than us)

Second shot is generally just a booster. Good to get, but the first shot is the game changer.

We need to be working off first shot number re opening back up.

Or we could just tell everyone to relax sure at least you don't live under ISIS or back in the 1840s so shut up with yer whinging.

Ha Long Bay

Beasty wrote: »

That's the first dose though. Some may be waiting another 3 months for their second, and the "abundance of caution" policy we seem to be adopting suggests to me that they will continue applying some significant restrictions during that period (even if other countries appear to be opening up more than us)

Can I ask what significant restrictions you think will be in place in mid July?

My own opinion is that cases and hospitalization rates will be extremely low at that point and everything apart from large gatherings will be allowed.

gozunda

11521323 wrote: »

You don't get it? Well that's easy, because you seem to have trouble utilizing various forms of reasoning to arrive at a conclusion.People are angry because we're leading Europe in incidence rates and hospitalizations per capita, yet trailing Europe in how far along this reopening path we are. That's very simple to understand. Restrictions need to be commensurate with the level of virus in our community and at present, they're wildly over-cautious for no reason at all. We have 1 in 5 with the first dose which makes up a large portion of the vulnerable, and we're still in this mess while the economic fallout worsens each week they keep us in this "just to be safe"They also keep telling us it's going to be "six weeks" and then when we perform unbelievably well as a population for those six weeks, our reward is another six weeks. It's laughable and it's the people like you who continuously buy into it that's allowing them to get away with it and it's making me ashamed to be Irish. They would not get away with it in any other EU nation. They literally said that the current numbers are "better than they could have hoped for" and do they accelerate the reopening of our economy? No. It's beyond incomprehensible and because of people like you, our country which was, on balance, great before all of this stuff, is now going to be a ****hole for the next 10 years while we deal with the remnants of the economy. I for one will be gone from Ireland for that period because I cannot stand the citizens that make that possible.

Whats with the constant snark? Is it unreasonable to actually discuss the topic in hand minus the personal bolloxology?

But Yes I DO get it.

We have already seen a rollback of restrictions. Yet still the same old whinging continues. Whats new.

As outlined above by Ha in his comment we don't get to throw caution to the wind and rollback our restrictions when that RISK of rapidly rising infections as seen in Germany, France etc is still very much there. And until we get that critical number vaccinated- that risk is not going away. But yes restrictions will continue to roll back albeit slower than you apparently you like.

The only ones who are 'angry' and claim to be 'ashamed to be Irish' and everything they don't agree with is 'laughable' are those who have been screaming and raving from the very beginning that there was no pandemic, that there was no risk at all, ad infinitum. And that hasn't changed apparently.

niallo27

gozunda wrote: »

Whats with the constant snark? Is it unreasonable to actually discuss the topic in hand minus the personal bolloxology?

But Yes I DO get it.

We have already seen a rollback of restrictions. Yet still the same old whinging continues. Whats new.

As outlined above by Ha in his comment we don't get to throw caution to the wind and rollback our restrictions when that RISK of rapidly rising infections as seen in Germany, France etc is still very much there. And until we get that critical number vaccinated- that risk is not going away. But yes restrictions will continue to roll back albeit slower than you apparently you like.

The only ones who are 'angry' and claim to be 'ashamed to be Irish' and everything they don't agree with is 'laughable' are those who have been screaming and raving from the very beginning that there was no pandemic, that there was no risk at all, ad infinitum. And that hasn't changed apparently.

Rollback of restrictions, we can travel within our county,****en wonderful. What can people do socially except stand in a field with another person, it can't be their own field either. So what do you consider critical numbers vaccinated, for some reason you won't commit to an answer.

Graham

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

People are angry because we're leading Europe in incidence rates and hospitalizations per capita, yet trailing Europe in how far along this reopening path we are. That's very simple to understand.

We're "leading Europe in incidence rates and hospitalizations" because we're "trailing Europe in how far along this reopening path we are".

That's very simple to understand.

It leaves us in a position to relax restrictions while other EU countries are increasing restrictions and/or facing increases in incidence rates and hospitalisations.

niallo27

Graham wrote: »

We're "leading Europe in incidence rates and hospitalizations" because we're "trailing Europe in how far along this reopening path we are".

That's very simple to understand.

It leaves us in a position to relax restrictions while other EU countries are increasing restrictions and/or facing increases in incidence rates and hospitalisations.

So maintain increased restrictions so we don't have to increase restrictions like other countries. Spain and Portugal are relaxing restrictions at a much faster rate than us, why is that. So what social restrictions are being relaxed here.

Extra user.

godzilla89 wrote: »

A walk and a run is enough when your older and live a slow paced life, young people need power sports.

The difference between the person that can snatch 100kg+ and power clean 150kg+ compared to a person doing a healthy walk is staggering, like a different species.

Ireland should have a fat tax like Japan and gyms should be open to facilitate that, they are as important as schools which are opened.

This is conjecture and frankly wrong

It's actually the strength training that you need when you get older

gozunda

niallo27 wrote: »

Rollback of restrictions, we can travel within our county,****en wonderful. What can people do socially except stand in a field with another person, it can't be their own field either. So what do you consider critical numbers vaccinated, for some reason you won't commit to an answer.

And yes schools back, travel restrictions reduced, and more going forward. You can exercise to your hearts consent outdoors and anywhere in your county. And yes even meet up with another household outdoors. And still the exact same bloody complaints.

So in addition to what has already been rolled back- restrictions on construction are being lifted and in approx 10 days time outdoor sports and visitor attractions are resuming. With golf courses, football pitches, tennis courts and other outdoor sporting facilities reopening and with non-contact training allowed in pods of up to 15 people for underage teams.Outdoor visitor attractions, such as zoos, heritage sites, and pet farms, will also reopen

Thing is I don't remember you bother asking that question - or is it that simply another opportunity to throw cheap shots?

As detailed above I reckon Ha is fairly close to the mark. But until we get there - then no we don't get to throw caution to the wind just because whinging or whatever..

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=116915256&postcount=6149

arccosh

gozunda wrote: »

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The only ones who are 'angry' and claim to be 'ashamed to be Irish' and everything they don't agree with is 'laughable' are those who have been screaming and raving from the very beginning that there was no pandemic, that there was no risk at all, ad infinitum. And that hasn't changed apparently.

You'll get that on any topic... especially if you reside on social media, using it as your primary source of information...

it re-enforces any view point you have, as the algorithms will work to present you more info on the topic and people you're interacting with most... (which results in a pile of tailored ads they can send your way resulting in €€€ for them)

You also can't change people ideology with facts and figures (there's a word for it too, that I can't remember).. empathy is the best way, but that would mean going round killing a load of people they care about

Zebra3

niallo27 wrote: »

So maintain increased restrictions so we don't have to increase restrictions like other countries. Spain and Portugal are relaxing restrictions at a much faster rate than us, why is that. So what social restrictions are being relaxed here.

Denmark and Italy too.

drkpower

gozunda wrote: »

Whats with the constant snark? Is it unreasonable to actually discuss the topic in hand minus the personal bolloxology?

But Yes I DO get it.

We have already seen a rollback of restrictions. Yet still the same old whinging continues. Whats new.

As outlined above by Ha in his comment we don't get to throw caution to the wind and rollback our restrictions when that RISK of rapidly rising infections as seen in Germany, France etc is still very much there. And until we get that critical number vaccinated- that risk is not going away. But yes restrictions will continue to roll back albeit slower than you apparently you like.

The only ones who are 'angry' and claim to be 'ashamed to be Irish' and everything they don't agree with is 'laughable' are those who have been screaming and raving from the very beginning that there was no pandemic, that there was no risk at all, ad infinitum. And that hasn't changed apparently.

It’s like looking at a field of scarecrows with all the straw men in there

arccosh

Deleted User wrote: »

The contention was that as the virus is more serious in those overweight and when pointing out that maintaining a healthy weight does not necessarily require access to a gym I get accused of having “utter contempt” for people.

Some people really need to get a handle on their irrational anger, it’s not healthy and the stress will have even more impact on long term health than being overweight

they're probably getting fat and need to go to the gym... which is a non starter with your opinion, as being fat means they don't go to the gym (or have intention to)

gozunda

drkpower wrote: »

It’s like looking at a field of scarecrows with all the straw men in there

Well I'm sorry if actual facts are problematic.

But thats like not being able to discuss the issue at hand. What's new.

Cluedo Monopoly

Are we still in Level 5?
I lose track.

niallo27

gozunda wrote: »

And yes schools back, travel restrictions reduced, and more going forward. You can exercise to your hearts consent outdoors and anywhere in your county. And yes even meet up with another household outdoors. And still the exact same bloody complaints.

So in addition to what has already been rolled back- restrictions on construction are being lifted and in approx 10 days time outdoor sports and visitor attractions are resuming. With golf courses, football pitches, tennis courts and other outdoor sporting facilities reopening and with non-contact training allowed in pods of up to 15 people for underage teams.Outdoor visitor attractions, such as zoos, heritage sites, and pet farms, will also reopen

Thing is I don't remember you bother asking that question - or is it that simply another opportunity to throw cheap shots?

As detailed above I reckon Ha is fairly close to the mark. But until we get there - then no we don't get to throw caution to the wind just because whinging or whatever..

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=116915256&postcount=6149

Non contact training, you can play football lads just don't tackle each other, what about socially, what can I do. On my question on reopening are you saying we just open at 60% vaccinated or are you avoiding the question like usual.

drkpower

gozunda wrote: »

Well I'm sorry if actual facts are problematic.

But thats like not being able to discuss the issue at hand. What's new.

There is nothing factual about what you said; key extract below; in fact it says anything one needs to know about how blinkered your views are. There are arguments for restrictions for sure. You are just not capable of making them.








The only ones who are 'angry' and claim to be 'ashamed to be Irish' and everything they don't agree with is 'laughable' are those who have been screaming and raving from the very beginning that there was no pandemic, that there was no risk at all, ad infinitum. And that hasn't changed apparently.