Relaxation of Restrictions, Part X *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

niallo27

charlie14 wrote: »

Has any country in Europe at the same level of vaccination announced set in stone dates for pubs opening, and to what extent, or are the provisional ?

Of course they are provisional yes, but it's something to aim for. Are you happy with that ah sure we will look into it approach.

Extra user.

Dr. Bre wrote: »

Another new variant - Indian this time

Double mutation or something

I'm scared sh1tless

drkpower

Dr. Bre wrote: »

Another new variant - Indian this time

Which has gained a small foothold in the UK. It will be interesting to see how this plays with MHQ. Can it be proportionate to have EU countries on MHQ due to variants of concern and leave the UK off, and the NI border open?

Allinall

paddyisreal wrote: »

See we are now the 3rd worse in Europe for vaccine rollout.. What a bunch of clowns we have running the show. Not a mention of this in the media.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1196071/covid-19-vaccination-rate-in-europe-by-country/

We were third best a few weeks ago.

What a great and talented group we have running the show. ( They’re the same people).

paddyisreal

Allinall wrote: »

We were third best a few weeks ago.

What a great and talented group we have running the show. ( They’re the same people).

So? The equivalent of leading a marathon after a mile.
All the other countries are forging ahead now and as per usual our lads are left scratching their heads.

charlie14

niallo27 wrote: »

Like last summer in level 2

They were at that level last Summer due to the data at the time, but with rising numbers that changed and we were back in lockdown.
The hope with vaccines is that we will not have to go back to the same yoyo on lockdown, so openings will depend on the levels of vaccination.
Way I see it we have two choices.
Learn from others who are further advanced in vaccinations than we are and are opening up gradually based on those levels, or just take a punt and hope we get it right and we do not go back to square one.
Which do you favour ?
Personally I would go with the data.

darem93

paddyisreal wrote: »

See we are now the 3rd worse in Europe for vaccine rollout.. What a bunch of clowns we have running the show. Not a mention of this in the media.

[https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations

But I thought supply was the entire issue? The excuses are running out now.

We have placed literally everything on getting this vaccine rollout right and yet - as everyone expected tbf - they have still made an absolute balls of it. But continue to 'hold firm' guys!!!

eggy81

You’d wonder do they really trust the vaccines long term effectiveness yet with the talk of restrictions rolling on in some form for another few years. I suppose that’s still an unknown quantity. Varadkar seemed to hint as much the other day on pat kennys program.

paddyisreal

darem93 wrote: »

But I thought supply was the entire issue? The excuses are running out now.

We have placed literally everything on getting this vaccine rollout right and yet - as everyone expected tbf - they have still made an absolute balls of it. But continue to 'hold firm' guys!!!

I highlighted this a few months ago saying that it's only a matter of time before they make a balls of it. We didn't have to wait long.

niallo27

charlie14 wrote: »

They were at that level last Summer due to the data at the time, but with rising numbers that changed and we were back in lockdown.
The hope with vaccines is that we will not have to go back to the same yoyo on lockdown, so openings will depend on the levels of vaccination.
Way I see it we have two choices.
Learn from others who are further advanced in vaccinations than we are and are opening up gradually based on those levels, or just take a punt and hope we get it right and we do not go back to square one.
Which do you favour ?
Personally I would go with the data.

We have the data, vaccines work. Look at Israel and the UK and even the states. The vaccines work. They are already working here.

Penfailed

paddyisreal wrote: »

See we are now the 3rd worse in Europe for vaccine rollout.. What a bunch of clowns we have running the show. Not a mention of this in the media.

[https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations

Of the 33 countries on that table you linked, we're 20th.

PintOfView

niallo27 wrote: »

So why has every other country in Europe a plan except for us, if you owned a business, would a we will look into it be good enough for you. Why not be optimistic and make some kind of a plan. Are you honestly happy with our government saying we will look into it.

The government did publish what they called a "phased easing of public health restrictions", see
https://www.gov.ie/en/press-release/81029-government-announces-phased-easing-of-public-health-restrictions/

However it's all dependent on the virus.
We're doing well at the moment, better than Europe, If it stays like that for a few more weeks,
when a lot more people are two weeks on from having been vaccinated,
then lifting of restrictions can proceed as planned (and looking very likely at this stage).
But again, it all comes down to the virus, we can't set dates in stone.

charlie14

niallo27 wrote: »

Of course they are provisional yes, but it's something to aim for. Are you happy with that ah sure we will look into it approach.

What is the point of stabbing a provisional guess at something and then having to perhaps change it, when you can learn from the experience of others who due to their higher levels of vaccination are gradually testing it out, which would give you more certainty than just stabbing a provisional guess ?

Del Griffith

PintOfView wrote: »

The government did publish what they called a "phased easing of public health restrictions", see
https://www.gov.ie/en/press-release/81029-government-announces-phased-easing-of-public-health-restrictions/

However it's all dependent on the virus.
We're doing well at the moment, better than Europe, If it stays like that for a few more weeks,
when a lot more people are two weeks on from having been vaccinated,
then lifting of restrictions can proceed as planned (and looking very likely at this stage).
But again, it all comes down to the virus, we can't set dates in stone.

Even if all of that was delivered today, its still terrible. That's a joke of a roadmap.

Begging for crumbs.

niallo27

charlie14 wrote: »

What is the point of stabbing a provisional guess at something and then having to perhaps change it, when you can learn from the experience of others who due to their higher levels of vaccination are gradually testing it out, which would give you more certainty than just stabbing a provisional guess ?

So every country in Europe is wrong to have a plan and we are right to wing it. It's hardly a guess, it should be dependant on numbers or some metric. What's wrong with being optimistic like every other country in Europe. The data is there.

PTH2009

Feeling the panic button could be hit at any stage

niallo27

PintOfView wrote: »

The government did publish what they called a "phased easing of public health restrictions", see
https://www.gov.ie/en/press-release/81029-government-announces-phased-easing-of-public-health-restrictions/

However it's all dependent on the virus.
We're doing well at the moment, better than Europe, If it stays like that for a few more weeks,
when a lot more people are two weeks on from having been vaccinated,
then lifting of restrictions can proceed as planned (and looking very likely at this stage).
But again, it all comes down to the virus, we can't set dates in stone.

If everything goes to plan, when I go to an hotel or a restaurant or do anything socially. No idea from your link

Allinall

paddyisreal wrote: »

So? The equivalent of leading a marathon after a mile.
All the other countries are forging ahead now and as per usual our lads are left scratching their heads.

Point is- I didn’t see you lauding them a few weeks ago.

Some people only see negativity.

PintOfView

Del Griffith wrote: »

Even if all of that was delivered today, its still terrible. That's a joke of a roadmap.

Begging for crumbs.

Would you prefer they made up a lovely roadmap, like a project plan, with lots of milestones and dates?
What chance do you think that things would proceed faithfully as per the roadmap?

How quickly we can open up purely depends on the virus, and any curve balls that happen in relation to vaccines
(see AZ and J&J complications just in the past couple of weeks)

niallo27

PintOfView wrote: »

Would you prefer they made up a lovely roadmap, like a project plan, with lots of milestones and dates?
What chance do you think that things would proceed faithfully as per the roadmap?

How quickly we can open up purely depends on the virus, and any curve balls that happen in relation to vaccines
(see AZ and J&J complications just in the past couple of weeks)

You mean a roadmap like last year which they followed or maybe a roadmap like every other ****en country in Europe. Yes i would love one. Something to aim for, at the moment there is nothing to aim for so I'm just ignoring most of the restrictions.

charlie14

Penfailed wrote: »

Of the 33 countries on that table you linked, we're 20th.

I would not be too sure just what that Statistica chart represents.
Is it % of the total population of each country or the % they intend vaccinating at present.
As there is very little difference in how much higher a small % could place us on that table it could make a difference
The Hungary figures are strange as well. They have less than twice our population Higher level of vaccination, yet still reporting large new cases and deaths daily proportionately much higher than Ireland
But then perhaps it`s to do with what they are vaccinating with. Are they not using the Russian Sputnik vaccine as part of their roll out ?

PintOfView

niallo27 wrote: »

If everything goes to plan, when I go to an hotel or a restaurant or do anything socially. No idea from your link

I'm not saying that linked document is the most inspiring document you could read.
We'd all like a plan with everything on it.
I have some sympathy with those that have to come up with the plan, however, as they're going to get kicked if things don't go according to the plan.

Things are looking optimistic at the moment,
and with the vaccines there is every reason to think we would be in a much better situation than last summer.

Last summer, on holidays in Kerry, we were able to order meals in pubs every night.
I can't see any reason right now why that won't be the case, and more, this summer.
But I can't tell you that for certain without a crystal ball

paddyisreal

Allinall wrote: »

Point is- I didn’t see you lauding them a few weeks ago.

Some people only see negativity.

Point is some people only see what they want to see.
So what is positive about being the 3rd worse in the eu?

PintOfView

niallo27 wrote: »

You mean a roadmap like last year which they followed or maybe a roadmap like every other ****en country in Europe. Yes i would love one. Something to aim for, at the moment there is nothing to aim for so I'm just ignoring most of the restrictions.

France hasn't got a roadmap, they were discussing creating one last week.
Germany had one and started doing it in March, but then had to backtrack, and now have more restrictions than us.

charlie14

niallo27 wrote: »

We have the data, vaccines work. Look at Israel and the UK and even the states. The vaccines work. They are already working here.

Of course vaccinations work, but can you not get that they have to reach a certain level before they are effective.
Israel and the U.K. did not open pubs until they reached a level they thought save.
Even with the level the U.K. is at, they are testing the waters

paddyisreal

Penfailed wrote: »

Of the 33 countries on that table you linked, we're 20th.

I pasted in the wrong link. If you add in all the eu countries we are 3rd from the bottom

https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations

niallo27

PintOfView wrote: »

I'm not saying that linked document is the most inspiring document you could read.
We'd all like a plan with everything on it.
I have some sympathy with those that have to come up with the plan, however, as they're going to get kicked if things don't go according to the plan.

Things are looking optimistic at the moment,
and with the vaccines there is every reason to think we would be in a much better situation than last summer.

Last summer, on holidays in Kerry, we were able to order meals in pubs every night.
I can't see any reason right now why that won't be the case, and more, this summer.
But I can't tell you that for certain without a crystal ball

I understand, fair points by you. I just two countries have had major vaccination plans, UK and Israel. They set out a roadmap and have been able to follow every step so far with outstanding success. Why can't we as a country be some bit optimistic and make a plan similar to them. If things go tits up we will lock up again. People understood we needed to do it at Christmas.

niallo27

charlie14 wrote: »

Of course vaccinations work, but can you not get that they have to reach a certain level before they are effective.
Israel and the U.K. did not open pubs until they reached a level they thought save.
Even with the level the U.K. is at, they are testing the waters

Of course I do, so should we plan to open similar to these countries when we reach the same level of vaccination. I just want a plan.

hynesie08

PTH2009 wrote: »

Feeling the panic button could be hit at any stage

Feelings aren't facts thankfully.

charlie14

niallo27 wrote: »

So every country in Europe is wrong to have a plan and we are right to wing it. It's hardly a guess, it should be dependant on numbers or some metric. What's wrong with being optimistic like every other country in Europe. The data is there.

Every other country in Europe is winging it with provisional dates as they are stabbing a guess when they will reach the levels of vaccination required.
T
he only data that is there really where we are concerned is the U.K. data. They have decided they have reached the level of vaccination where it is safe to open certain levels of society. And even then they are only giving provisional dates for further openings if the present level holds true.
We are actually in the happy position that we can allow them to test the waters for us rather than stab a guess at what level of vaccination is required before opening up in stages