Relaxation of Restrictions, Part X *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

arccosh

arccosh wrote: »

they're probably getting fat and need to go to the gym... which is a non starter with your opinion, as being fat means they don't go to the gym (or have intention to)

Huh?

scamalert

niallo27 wrote: »

Non contact training, you can play football lads just don't tackle each other, what about socially, what can I do. On my question on reopening are you saying we just open at 60% vaccinated or are you avoiding the question like usual.

its daft to put any number, easier way would be to say once we get those at risk vaccinated then its free for all, none of this nanny state BS approach, goverment keeps pushing, since given vaccination rate we would wait till next year to hit 60% or whatever at the pace its going now.
Given news that goverment is stalling with green passes MHQ, safe to assume idiots want to keep continuing this for foreseeable years, which is more dangerous then any ****ing virus if they are allowed to.

FintanMcluskey

Hạ Long Bay wrote: »

Can I ask what significant restrictions you think will be in place in mid July?

My own opinion is that cases and hospitalization rates will be extremely low at that point and everything apart from large gatherings will be allowed.

Just like last Summer eh

gozunda

darem93 wrote: »

It's the same with hairdressers, even the majority of non-essential retail. I always felt very safe in them and the majority of those businesses went above and beyond to be Covid compliant, and still the government went ahead and shut them for half the year anyway.

I think you will find that's pretty much the approach to restrictions for personal/close contact activities such as hairdressing in most countries not just Ireland.

I reckon that's one of the major issues tbf. Not at you particularly but people thinking that an activity has little or no risk even where such activities are generally considered to have significant risk by reason of being in close contact (one on one) indoors etc crowds, hard to social distance etc.

The following infographic details risks of a range of activities bearing in mind no mitigation or restrictions are presumed.

Obviously activities such as grocery shopping entail risk - but as its deemed necessary and minimum social distancing can be observed- it's allowed with restrictions. Of course it can be argued that getting your hair cut is also essential but a quick short back and sides is not the same as a three hour colour, highlights and restyle etc so nearly universally hairdressing is seen as being of risk for reason of being indoors, close person to person, extended contact, hard to social distance etc

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arccosh

Deleted User wrote: »

Huh?

fatty fatty nom noms

PintOfView

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Just like last Summer eh

Can you see any reason why this summer might be different to last summer?

niallo27

gozunda wrote: »

I think you will find that's pretty much the approach to close restrictions for personal/close contact activities such as hairdressing in most countries not just Ireland.

I reckon that's one of the major issues tbf. Not at you particularly but people thinking that an activity has little or no risk even where such activities are generally considered to have significant risk by reason of being in close contact (one on one) indoors etc .

The following infographic details risks of a range of activities bearing in mind no mitigation or restrictions as presumed.

Obviously activities such as grocery shopping entail risk but as its deemed necessary and minimum social distancing can be observed- it's allowed with restrictions. Of course it can be argued that getting your hair cut is also essential but a quick short back and sides is not the same as a three hour colour, highlights and restyle etc so nearly universally hairdressing is seen as being of risk fir reason of being indoors, close person to person extended contact etc

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Picking up a takeaway is a medium risk, you have to laugh. That's a new level of bonkers even for you.

gozunda

niallo27 wrote: »

Non contact training, you can play football lads just don't tackle each other, what about socially, what can I do. On my question on reopening are you saying we just open at 60% vaccinated or are you avoiding the question like usual.

No niallo. Despite not having been asked that question by you previously - I was told I hadn't given an answer - wtf? How can I give an answer if you have asked me?????

The question you posed in your last comment was:

So what do you consider critical numbers vaccinated, for some reason you won't commit to an answer.

And yes that was answered above as to my opinion - on what imo are "critical numbers vaccinated"

But suddenly noooooo that's not good enough apparently and that's now changed to something something about "reopening"

niallo27 wrote:

On my question on reopening are you saying we just open at 60% vaccinated or are you avoiding the question like usual

Your question was not about "reopening". So which is the question niallo? Or you just making it up as you go along?

Edit:

As above , if you bother to check that link Takeaway is only considered to be of medium risk with regard to enclosed spaces. Otherwise its low. But like supermarkets- takeaways are allowed for food provision.

niallo27

PintOfView wrote: »

Can you see any reason why this summer might be different to last summer?

Same over cautious fools in charge and a society that has been brainwashed into thinking covid is the black plague so no, no change really.

PintOfView

niallo27 wrote: »

Same over cautious fools in charge and a society that has been brainwashed into thinking covid is the black plague so no, no change really.

Ok, so the vaccine doesn't change the background in your view?

Do you think that 'they' just want to lock us up without any reason?

What would you do if you were in government?

Extra user.

PintOfView wrote: »

Ok, so the vaccine doesn't change the background in your view?

Do you think that 'they' just want to lock us up without any reason?

What would you do if you were in government?

Why don't you state your own views besides continually asking questions ?

PintOfView

Extra user. wrote: »

Why don't you state your own views besides continually asking questions ?

Why don't you?

Extra user.

PintOfView wrote: »

Why don't you?

Lol

arccosh

we have the wrong people in the wrong place.... everyone is asking questions here but not to government.... and a government giving answers to questions people never asked...

keep up the good work guys

gozunda

Extra user. wrote: »

Why don't you state your own views besides continually asking questions ?

Well you be fair to the above poster you're replying to - it is a discussion and niallo has been demanding answers of questions to beat the band. Simple quid pro quo?

niallo27

gozunda wrote: »

No niallo. Despite not having been asked that question by you previously - I was told I hadn't given an answer - wtf? How can I give an answer if you have asked me?????

The question you posed in your last comment was:



And yes that was answered above as to my opinion - on what imo are "critical numbers vaccinated"

But suddenly noooooo that's not good enough apparently and that's now changed to something something about "reopening"



You're question was not about "reopening". So which is the question niallo? Or you just making it up as you go along?

I'll keep it simple for you, what level of vaccination do you think we should open pubs, I picked pubs as I think it will be one of the last to be opened not because of "pints"

arccosh

gozunda wrote: »

Simple quid pro quo?

that's not how it works and you know it....

if you get cornered into a point where:
a)you don't want to admit you're wrong
b)you don't know the answer about something that you pitched you had Phd knowledge in

You start counter questioning the poster with deflection questions

niallo27

PintOfView wrote: »

Ok, so the vaccine doesn't change the background in your view?

Do you think that 'they' just want to lock us up without any reason?

What would you do if you were in government?

Of course it should, but I don't think it has made any difference to relaxing restrictions so far, if I was in government I would least have a plan with dates like every other country in Europe, not a sure we will look into it which is exactly what Michael Martin said.

Some lunamatic on Radio One with Brendan O'Connor, pushing the genius idea that under 30s should be vaccinated first because they socialise the most. The very notion that those at genuine risk (however small) are stepped over to facilitate others enduring zero risk is totally bonkers. He must be a stealth lobbyist on behalf of young teachers terrible lonely for July in the Med. We're getting hammered with the "look at the cases, hospitalisations & ICU admissions before we grant any freedom" schtick by NPHET and the Government. Not vaccinating the most vulnerable first would keep us in lockdown much longer, hospitality sector witnessing their brethren in the North getting a three month advantage at minimum. by An array of circus acts RTÉ allowed on national radio, Sham McConkey got plenty of latitude with his 3-5 years of restrictions bullsh1t this week. The general public are fed up with this patronising drivel, get the elderly immunised now and allow us our lives back.

Don't Chute!

PintOfView wrote: »

So you think that a good number of people doing exercises,
and breathing more heavily than normal,
in an indoor setting,
would not be a good place for the virus to spread?

The plumes THE PLUMES!!!

charlie14

niallo27 wrote: »

Of course it should, but I don't think it has made any difference to relaxing restrictions so far, if I was in government I would least have a plan with dates like every other country in Europe, not a sure we will look into it which is exactly what Michael Martin said.

When you talk about opening pubs, do you mean fully open or serving outdoors?

gozunda

niallo27 wrote: »

I'll keep it simple for you, what level of vaccination do you think we should open pubs, I picked pubs as I think it will be one of the last to be opened not because of "pints"

No no niallo - you're playing fast and loose with the old question asking, insisting posters hadn't answer them before - even though you didn't ask them. I mean wtf?

But I see you're not bothering to answer my question.

So how about you answer what I asked in return viz.

You're question was not about "reopening". So which is the question niallo? Or you just making it up as you go along?

As to your question - I've no fekin idea tbh. You'd need to clarify that as Charlie said - When you talk about opening pubs, do you mean fully open or serving outdoors? And do you really mean fully open. What about social distancing? Or table service?

PintOfView

niallo27 wrote: »

Of course it should, but I don't think it has made any difference to relaxing restrictions so far

We have 16% of the population with one dose (6% with two doses).
Why do you expect a big relaxation in restrictions already?
If we open up now, with such a low percentage of the population vaccinated, the virus will likely spread fast.

You may say 'but most of the elderly and vulnerable are already vaccinated'
But that isn't enough to stop the spread of the virus,
only when we have something approaching where the UK (50% with one dose) will the risk reduce (of rapid spread of the virus in the absence of restrictions)

niallo27 wrote: »

I was in government I would least have a plan with dates like every other country in Europe, not a sure we will look into it which is exactly what Michael Martin said.

Plans are all very well, and the government do have a plan
(and have you actually compared it with the other countries in Europe?)

However at the end of the day it's what's happening at a particular moment is what counts.
You might plan to have a barbeque this Saturday, but the weather on Saturday will be the ultimate decider.
It's the same with the virus, how can it be otherwise?

niallo27

PintOfView wrote: »

We have 16% of the population with one dose (6% with two doses).
Why do you expect a big relaxation in restrictions already?
If we open up now, with such a low percentage of the population vaccinated, the virus will likely spread fast.

You may say 'but most of the elderly and vulnerable are already vaccinated'
But that isn't enough to stop the spread of the virus,
only when we have something approaching where the UK (50% with one dose) will the risk reduce (of rapid spread of the virus in the absence of restrictions)


Plans are all very well, and the government do have a plan
(and have you actually compared it with the other countries in Europe?)

However at the end of the day it's what's happening at a particular moment is what counts.
You might plan to have a barbeque this Saturday, but the weather on Saturday will be the ultimate decider.
It's the same with the virus, how can it be otherwise?

So why has every other country in Europe a plan except for us, if you owned a business, would a we will look into it be good enough for you. Why not be optimistic and make some kind of a plan. Are you honestly happy with our government saying we will look into it.

niallo27

gozunda wrote: »

No no niallo - you're playing fast and loose with the old question asking, insisting posters hadn't answer them before - even though you didn't ask them. I mean wtf?

But I see you're not bothering to answer my question.

So how about you answer what I asked in return viz.



As to your question - I've no fekin idea tbh. You'd need to clarify that as Charlie said - When you talk about opening pubs, do you mean fully open or serving outdoors? And do you really mean fully open. What about social distancing? Or table service?

Open like last summer in level 2.

niallo27

charlie14 wrote: »

When you talk about opening pubs, do you mean fully open or serving outdoors?

Like last summer in level 2

Dr. Bre

Another new variant - Indian this time

charlie14

niallo27 wrote: »

So why has every other country in Europe a plan except for us, if you owned a business, would a we will look into it be good enough for you. Why not be optimistic and make some kind of a plan. Are you honestly happy with our government saying we will look into it.

Has any country in Europe at the same level of vaccination announced set in stone dates for pubs opening, and to what extent, or are the provisional ?

charlie14

Dr. Bre wrote: »

Another new variant - Indian this time

Just goes to show how quickly things can change with this virus.
A few weeks ago the media was all over India close to reaching naturally acquired herd immunity.

paddyisreal

See we are now the 3rd worse in Europe for vaccine rollout.. What a bunch of clowns we have running the show. Not a mention of this in the media.

[https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations