Relaxation of Restrictions, Part X *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

PTH2009

SusieBlue wrote: »

My cousins, who live just outside London, got their hair and nails done this morning and are now chilling in a beer garden drinking cocktails together. They’re hitting the shops after lunch.

I’m delighted for them but also extremely jealous and envious.
I know there are talks of non essential retail and personal services being reopened after May 5th here but no doubt it will have to be a phased and long drawn out process, cause they’ll have to start with click and collect etc first.
It will probably be June before we can actually go into shops or access barbers.

All pure speculation of course, cause our dear leader hasn’t been seen or heard of since the last announcement and won’t rear his head again until he leaks details of the next announcement to the media. Meanwhile we’re all stuck in limbo and are supposed to be grateful for the nonsensical 5k rule being lifted.
Absolutely soul destroying stuff.
This lockdown is never ending.

Really brings home how ridiculous our restrictions are

We can't go for a haircut which for some could only take max 15 mins, we can't go into a clothes shop and browse for a few mins or order online and quickly collect it (it's standing in line social distanced and your meeting a worker at the front door)

Humiliating

MrMischief

Propaganda is information that is not impartial and used primarily to influence an audience and further an agenda, often by presenting facts selectively (perhaps lying by omission) to encourage a particular synthesis, or using loaded messages to produce an emotional rather than a rational response to the information presented.

“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it.”
-- Joseph Goebbels (He would be proud of NPHET)

MrMischief

- My son finally back at school today (which is progress) albeit he has missed 4 hospital outpatient eye appointments since Feb 2020.
- Two family members will have vaccine passports before they can renew their own passports.

darem93

I hope in the not too distant future NPHET is disbanded and we can all celebrate in a pub or nightclub.

CalamariFritti

MrMischief wrote: »

Propaganda is information that is not impartial and used primarily to influence an audience and further an agenda, often by presenting facts selectively (perhaps lying by omission) to encourage a particular synthesis, or using loaded messages to produce an emotional rather than a rational response to the information presented.

“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it.”
-- Joseph Goebbels (He would be proud of NPHET)

One other function of propaganda is to make you believe you are in the minority.

PTH2009

PTH2009 wrote: »

Really brings home how ridiculous our restrictions are

We can't go for a haircut which for some could only take max 15 mins, we can't go into a clothes shop and browse for a few mins or order online and quickly collect it (it's standing in line social distanced and your meeting a worker at the front door)

Humiliating

One of the big shops have traffic lights at the entrance with a voice blaring out stop if the light turns red. 21st century dystopia!

PTH2009

PTH2009 wrote: »

Really brings home how ridiculous our restrictions are

We can't go for a haircut which for some could only take max 15 mins, we can't go into a clothes shop and browse for a few mins or order online and quickly collect it (it's standing in line social distanced and your meeting a worker at the front door)

Humiliating

It is, but it's the consequence of the moribund Irish Fourth Estate and the political parties being identical. That means there's no opposition.

daydorunrun

Graham wrote: »

You'd probably be in a different mind if one of your friends lost a parent to Covid.

Depends on the many variables I suppose. I know 3 OAP’s that caught COVID- all healthy with no underlying conditions. None of them got sick or died. You still have to be very unlucky to catch COVID and get sick enough to be hospitalised never mind die. Risk assessment is part of being human, everyone used to complain about a nanny state. Now many have to check what’s allowed rather than deciding for themselves what’s safe.

growleaves

SusieBlue wrote: »

It will probably be June before we can actually go into shops or access barbers.

I'd be most worried about them starting to wind things up again in September/October, since that has already been ruled in by Varadkar.

With the long Irish winters, dodging Level 5 restrictions becomes very difficult.

The public vilification of harmless/beneficial outdoor activities has been particularly wrong-headed though at least support for that seems to have waned among ordinary people.

Graham

gansi wrote: »

One of the big shops have traffic lights at the entrance with a voice blaring out stop if the light turns red. 21st century dystopia!

that's the new definition of dystopia. Traffic lights?

darem93

darem93 wrote: »

I hope in the not too distant future NPHET is disbanded and we can all celebrate in a pub or nightclub.

I don't think there are many who don't want to see NPHET disbanded in the not to distant future. I think we will be having pints in a pub before this happens however

_Kaiser_

Graham wrote: »

You'd probably be in a different mind if one of your friends lost a parent to Covid.

Emotional blackmail?

I'd be sad for them and sorry for their loss, but just as life doesn't stop for any other death nor can it stop for one with Covid. Unfortunately people die - although thankfully Covid has caused a very very small number of deaths in the last year when taken in the perspective of a population of 4.9 million, and the deaths from other causes in the last 12 months, some of which have undoubtedly been the indirect result of the Covid measures employed.

Strangely those far larger numbers of deaths aren't getting the same obsessive coverage though. Do they not matter?

showpony1

"Many EU countries have introduced age restrictions on the use of the vaccine, limiting its use to older people.

It follows the European Medicines Agency's finding last week, of a possible link between the AstraZeneca vaccine and rare blood clotting issues in adults who received it.

Last week, NIAC said that the overall benefit of the highly-effective vaccine, in protecting people from severe Covid-19 disease, hospitalisation and death, outweighed the risks of this very rare event."

do you know what would be even more rare? me dying of COVID-19.

Graham

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Emotional blackmail?

Nonsense.

Poster gave an example of a death influencing a course of action, I gave another.

_Kaiser_

Graham wrote: »

Nonsense.

Poster gave an example of a death influencing a course of action, I gave another.

My answer stands regardless.

Graham

Graham wrote: »

that's the new definition of dystopia. Traffic lights?

To enter a supermarket yes absolutely accompanied by masks, foot markings and yellow tape.

AlekSmart

Graham wrote: »

that's the new definition of dystopia. Traffic lights?

Positioned at the entrance to a shop to regulate the flow of customers,then definitely a highly relevant definition of 21st Century dystopia ,YES.

the kelt

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Emotional blackmail?

I'd be sad for them and sorry for their loss, but just as life doesn't stop for any other death nor can it stop for one with Covid. Unfortunately people die - although thankfully Covid has caused a very very small number of deaths in the last year when taken in the perspective of a population of 4.9 million, and the deaths from other causes in the last 12 months, some of which have undoubtedly been the indirect result of the Covid measures employed.

Strangely those far larger numbers of deaths aren't getting the same obsessive coverage though. Do they not matter?

But your forgetting to a lot of people a COVID death is worse than any other death.

Graham

the kelt wrote: »

But your forgetting to a lot of people a COVID death is worse than any other death.

Good to see the straw man has come out of retirement.

Tipsy McSwagger

Nothing will piss off the people of this country more than the UK enjoying themselves. I’m delighted for them personally, but my god is it soul destroying watching Sky News today.

Graham

AlekSmart wrote: »

Positioned at the entrance to a shop to regulate the flow of customers,then definitely a highly relevant definition of 21st Century dystopia ,YES.

Now you mention it, I do remember that particularly chilling chapter in 1984 :rolleyes:

AlekSmart

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Emotional blackmail?

I'd be sad for them and sorry for their loss, but just as life doesn't stop for any other death nor can it stop for one with Covid. Unfortunately people die - although thankfully Covid has caused a very very small number of deaths in the last year when taken in the perspective of a population of 4.9 million, and the deaths from other causes in the last 12 months, some of which have undoubtedly been the indirect result of the Covid measures employed.

Strangely those far larger numbers of deaths aren't getting the same obsessive coverage though. Do they not matter?

As used in this particular thread,then most likely an attempt at some form of blackmail,yes.

However as you reply,the normal human mechanisms of sadness,empathy,sympathy and expressing condolence to relatives & friends,whilst continuing with one's own life,appears now to be relegated to a position far behind using such bereavment as,a form of thought-control weapon,to brandish against both bereaved and broader society.

It is at the very least,odd,and at it's worst,evidence that 14 months of Public Health Emergency Measures is having a far more worrisome effect upon our powers of reason than anybody feared....(If even such effect merited any consideration by our leadership).

CalamariFritti

Tipsy McSwagger wrote: »

Nothing will piss off the people of this country more than the UK enjoying themselves. I’m delighted for them personally, but my god is it soul destroying watching Sky News today.

People are just miserable. I read German papers cos thats where I was born. You should see the comments about UK beer gardens there. Absolute jealous gobsh1tes. Basically saying dont count your chickens cos in four weeks time you'll be back to where we are.

Klonker

Tipsy McSwagger wrote: »

Nothing will piss off the people of this country more than the UK enjoying themselves. I’m delighted for them personally, but my god is it soul destroying watching Sky News today.

I'm actually delighted for them and jealous at the same time.

It'll be very hard for NPHET and the government to justify our harsh restrictions if England don't have any major issues with their reopening. If they are opening hairdressers, non essential retail, outdoor dining now there's no reason we can't do similar in mid to late May when we'll have close to the same percentages vaccinated as they do now. Especially considering we have a younger population than them so less percentage of population in vulnerable categories, we have a lower percentage of minorities who seem to be more susceptible to serious illness and more likely to be vaccine hesitant, we are more likely to follow the guidelines than England and our numbers were already on a lower base than theirs.

And said it would be very hard for them justify harsher restrictions at that stage, I didn't say they wont try though!

the kelt

Graham wrote: »

Good to see the straw man has come out of retirement.

Why is that not correct?

When have we gone to such extremes to prevent deaths from anything else?

AlekSmart

Klonker wrote: »

I'm actually delighted for them and jealous at the same time.

It'll be very hard for NPHET and the government to justify our harsh restrictions if England don't have any major issues with their reopening. If they are opening hairdressers, non essential retail, outdoor dining now there's no reason we can't do similar in mid to late May when we'll have close to the same percentages vaccinated as they do now. Especially considering we have a younger population than them so less percentage of population in vulnerable categories, we have a lower percentage of minorities who seem to be more susceptible to serious illness and more likely to be vaccine hesitant, we are more likely to follow the guidelines than England and our numbers were already on a lower base than theirs.

And said it would be very hard for them justify harsher restrictions at that stage, I didn't say they wont try though!

As Calimari Fritti posted,there will be many who will be sitting mesmerised as they await an as yet,unrecognized Covid variant sweepint through the UK.

That'll teach 'em !

There is also,within broader UK society,and particularly the larger cities,the very real issue of the Black Asian & Minority Ethnic (BAME) groupings,with many differing takes on the Pandemic,not all of them accepting of Science's primary role as espoused by SAGE et al.

The problem now facing the UK,is how any attempt to address this very real issue,is immediately immersed in allegations of Racsim,and any other form of intolerance left lying around,which can be used to further reinforce some mad notion of Cultural Repression.

The Law of Unintended Consequences is always out there,ready to be applied !

mcsean2163

Boggles wrote: »

Why not indeed?

DisneyLand Leitrim and our own Space program.

Let's do it.



I have faith in Paschal, typical tight economist, always acts like he is spending his own money.

We're the most indebted nation in the EU per capita. what are you talking about?

OwenM

AlekSmart wrote: »

As Calimari Fritti posted,there will be many who will be sitting mesmerised as they await an as yet,unrecognized Covid variant sweepint through the UK.

That'll teach 'em !

There is also,within broader UK society,and particularly the larger cities,the very real issue of the Black Asian & Minority Ethnic (BAME) groupings,with many differing takes on the Pandemic,not all of them accepting of Science's primary role as espoused by SAGE et al.

The problem now facing the UK,is how any attempt to address this very real issue,is immediately immersed in allegations of Racsim,and any other form of intolerance left lying around,which can be used to further reinforce some mad notion of Cultural Repression.

The Law of Unintended Consequences is always out there,ready to be applied !

“I've lived through some terrible things in my life, some of which actually happened.” - Mark Twain.

As for 'BAME' the Sewell report in the UK has recommended discontinuing it's use, since the issues facing BAME are so diverse it has no real use, e.g. Caribbean black kids do worst in school but African black kids do better than white kids.

Parachutes

the kelt wrote: »

Why is that not correct?

When have we gone to such extremes to prevent deaths from anything else?

Cancer deaths, suicides etc are not in fashion. Covid is.

growleaves

OwenM wrote: »

“I've lived through some terrible things in my life, some of which actually happened.” - Mark Twain.

We'll find out soon enough. Either the UK will be in lockdown this Autumn/Winter or it won't be.