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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,523 ✭✭✭MfMan


    Dice75 wrote: »
    For some reason Brad Pitts portrayal of his character in Se7en always bugged me, couldn't take to him or the way he was played. Now of course he could have been directed to play him that way, who knows.

    No. He's just a poor actor.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,307 ✭✭✭The Phantom Pain


    Harrison Ford has two expressions - frown and point his finger or sideways grin. His movies are always about his wife or his family in danger.

    Michael Douglas never made a movie where he doesn't have a shower scene or a white bathrobe or he doesn't slick his hair back.

    Tom Cruise - surprise or a grin or he runs manically.

    After scores of movies actors become parodies of themselves

    I'm sorry but whenever I see people say Tom Cruise isn't a good actor it makes me think they've only seen his more popular films and not the ones where he plays character actors like Interview with the Vampire.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,191 ✭✭✭RandomViewer


    Under Siege is a very good movie (helped in no small way by Tommy Lee Jones & Gary Busey (& Colm Meaney))

    Busey (when attempting to drown the crew): 'They never liked me anyway'
    Colm Meaney: 'I bet they f**kin love you now'




    Under Siege 2 is a horrendous pile of steaming sh1te, serving only as a vehicle for the studio to milk the franchise for all it was worth, evidenced by the fact that the cast was a cast of nobodies other that Segal himself...

    Jones and Busey have more dialogue and screen time than Seagal in Under Siege


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,208 ✭✭✭Mister Vain


    I'm sorry but whenever I see people say Tom Cruise isn't a good actor it makes me think they've only seen his more popular films and not the ones where he plays character actors like Interview with the Vampire.
    I thought he was good in Collateral. kind of a subdued bad guy.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,120 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    MfMan wrote: »
    No. He's just a poor actor.

    Brad Pitt is a fantastic actor. Fight Club, The Assassination of Jesse James, Moneyball...

    He doesn't always pick great roles which suit him, but when he does he's one of the best.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,208 ✭✭✭Mister Vain


    Penn wrote: »
    Brad Pitt is a fantastic actor. Fight Club, The Assassination of Jesse James, Moneyball...

    He doesn't always pick great roles which suit him, but when he does he's one of the best.
    Don't forget mikey the pikey.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,161 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
    °°°°°


    Don't forget mikey the pikey.

    His delivery of the line; "need to have a sh1te" was a standout.

    Glazers Out!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,960 ✭✭✭flasher0030


    Penn wrote: »
    Brad Pitt is a fantastic actor. Fight Club, The Assassination of Jesse James, Moneyball...

    He doesn't always pick great roles which suit him, but when he does he's one of the best.

    His cameo in Friends was cringe. But overall I do like his movies.
    In fairness, it was his cheekbones and overall looks that had more of a role in his success than his acting ability. And a certain romance with Jennifer Anniston that he became the media darling - until Maleficent came along.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,960 ✭✭✭flasher0030


    I'm sorry but whenever I see people say Tom Cruise isn't a good actor it makes me think they've only seen his more popular films and not the ones where he plays character actors like Interview with the Vampire.

    Tom Cruise was brilliant in Vanilla Sky. Playing a disfigured guy who had everything before one moment of madness.
    I thought he played it really well.
    Whatever about acting, Cruise has onscreen charisma which goes a long way. He can just laugh and grin his way out of trouble. But he makes it look natural.
    I was actually watching a movie American Made last night - the story of Barry Seal. Would definitely recommend it. I knew nothing about the story previously. I'm sure it's exaggerated. But doesn't bother me as long as I get entertainment.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 610 ✭✭✭Samsonsmasher


    I'm sorry but whenever I see people say Tom Cruise isn't a good actor it makes me think they've only seen his more popular films and not the ones where he plays character actors like Interview with the Vampire.

    Like all movie actors he can only truly shine with good script cinematography editing soundtrack etc
    Sure he was great in Interview With A Vampire and Magnolia. The big bucks are in action movie franchises and I really enjoy the Mission Impossible movies but if Cruise has the talent to give truly legendary performances he is wasted doing that stuff.
    I love that he does many of his own stunts - We are paying him enough to watch it so why not?
    There are no shortage of actors - big names and complete unknowns who given the opportinity would do the same movie though.
    I don't watch Mission Impossible because Cruise is in them.


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    I was actually watching a movie American Made last night - the story of Barry Seal. Would definitely recommend it. I knew nothing about the story previously. I'm sure it's exaggerated. But doesn't bother me as long as I get entertainment.

    Vanilla sky and American made are his best I think he was great in those..... And his tropic thunder cameo


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,069 ✭✭✭✭AndyBoBandy


    It's hard to dislike Tom Cruise, even despite the Scientology crap (he's one of their most senior figures, and they blow smoke up his ass, so who wouldn't be into a bit of that?). His movies are mostly entertaining, and he seems to love making them.

    He appears to always comes across as uber professional when making/producing movies, as evidenced by the rant he had a few weeks ago about the lack of social distancing on a movie set... He seemed to genuinely care about making sure the movie went ahead and they weren't shut down due to a covid outbreak.... and loads of people didn't lose their jobs..... He's made his money, and some other actor/producer could have said f**k it, if we get shut down we get shut down, and be flown back to his mansion in LA so sip Pina Colada's, but you felt Cruise genuinely cared that the hundreds and hundreds of folk making his movie kept their jobs, and were kept safe.

    Sure he's no Denzel, or Daniel-Day Lewis, but that's fine, he doesn't need to be. He's a solid dependable actor, and you know he'll give a more than decent turn in any movie he's in.

    I haven't seen Magnolia or Vanilla Sky (but will seek them out now for a watch), but I liked most of his recent movies, He does Sci-Fi quite well.

    Edge of Tomorrow - very enjoyable movie
    Jack Reacher was also fairly good, the sequel not so much, but still watchable (sequels rarely live up to the 1st movie)
    War of the worlds - decent movie
    American Made - Very good movie, and Cruise is excellent in it.

    Tropic Thunder (though only a cameo, he's excellent in it) - I genuinely didn't realise it was him until the end credits......


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,690 ✭✭✭✭murpho999


    Dempo1 wrote: »
    I've never figured out Colm Meanys appeal albeit I've not seen him in anything in recent years, perhaps that in itself says it all. Some pretty dreadful performances in equally dreadful films but whilst not a film, his performances generally in Star Trek Deep space nine was just appalling where he played the token Irish character chief O Brien, just awful cringe enducing stuff. Seems the snapper was pretty much a one hit wonder.

    Did you actually watch him in the show?

    He was one of the main characters in DS9 and he played the part very well

    If you look at how his character developed in Star Trek The Next Generation and then became a main role in DS9 then you'd see it was by no means a a token Irish character but a key part of the entire show.

    In other roles he was good in The Damned United and I also enjoyed him in "Parked", a small Irish film.

    He could not be described as a bad actor.


  • Posts: 5,369 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    billyhead wrote: »
    Dolph Lundgren. Not sure I got the spelling correct. A lot of those macho men actors are rubbish i.e Van Damme, Stallone, Snipes, Arnie. Vin Deasal. There just in the movie for their screen prescence.

    Yeah but they are what they are, action stars.

    Stallone did well in rocky and the first rambo. Again I'm not saying he's a great actor but he's better then the rest of them in that group.

    Lundgren in the last creed movie did well I thought.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,690 ✭✭✭✭murpho999


    Harrison Ford has two expressions - frown and point his finger or sideways grin. His movies are always about his wife or his family in danger.

    Have you seen him in Star Wars, Indiana Jones, Regarding Henry or Blade Runner?
    Michael Douglas never made a movie where he doesn't have a shower scene or a white bathrobe or he doesn't slick his hair back.

    Falling Down, Traffic or Behind The Candelabra are three easy examples.
    Tom Cruise - surprise or a grin or he runs manically.

    Eyes Wide Shut, Born on the 4th of July, A Few Good Men.
    After scores of movies actors become parodies of themselves

    Yes, that's why Anthony Hopkins has been nominated for Oscars for last 2 years for two completely different roles.

    Do you actually watch any films ?


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 94,131 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    He appears to always comes across as uber professional when making/producing movies, as evidenced by the rant he had a few weeks ago about the lack of social distancing on a movie set... He seemed to genuinely care about making sure the movie went ahead and they weren't shut down due to a covid outbreak.... and loads of people didn't lose their jobs..... He's made his money, and some other actor/producer could have said f**k it, if we get shut down we get shut down, and be flown back to his mansion in LA so sip Pina Colada's, but you felt Cruise genuinely cared that the hundreds and hundreds of folk making his movie kept their jobs, and were kept safe.
    Tom is a producer of the MI series not just a hired hand. Having production shut down would cost more than his missing wages.

    He was on 30% gross box office on some of the earlier ones in addition to close to $30m per film. Insane money for intense friendliness with nothing behind the eyes.
    All in through six films, Tom Cruise has made at least $285 million for starring in the Mission: Impossible franchise. When adjusted for inflation, that figure becomes $389 million. That's without the back-end money being figured in for the 2011, 2015, and 2018 installments of the franchise.



    How dare some low paid workers delay Tom's payment schedule to buy Operating Thetan Level 8+ ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,523 ✭✭✭MfMan


    murpho999 wrote: »
    Have you seen him in Star Wars, Indiana Jones, Regarding Henry or Blade Runner?



    Falling Down, Traffic or Behind The Candelabra are three easy examples.



    Eyes Wide Shut, Born on the 4th of July, A few Good Men.



    Yes, that's why Anthony Hopkins has been nominated for Oscars for last 2 years for two completely different roles.

    Do you actually watch any films ?


    A Few Good Men was risible. Try watching it with a straight face. JT Walsh, as usual, by far the best thing in it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,120 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    I think Tom Cruise is a decent actor. I just can't stand him most of the time, and the Mission Impossible movies just compound that. A Few Good Men is about the only thing I can properly stomach him in.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,211 ✭✭✭trashcan


    murpho999 wrote: »
    Did you actually watch him in the show?

    He was one of the main characters in DS9 and he played the part very well

    If you look at how his character developed in Star Trek The Next Generation and then became a main role in DS9 then you'd see it was by no means a a token Irish character but a key part of the entire show.

    In other roles he was good in The Damned United and I also enjoyed him in "Parked", a small Irish film.

    He could not be described as a bad actor.

    Not to mention his turns in The Commitments, The Snapper and The Van. Great in those, particularly The Snapper.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,815 ✭✭✭SimonTemplar


    murpho999 wrote: »
    Did you actually watch him in the show?

    He was one of the main characters in DS9 and he played the part very well

    If you look at how his character developed in Star Trek The Next Generation and then became a main role in DS9 then you'd see it was by no means a a token Irish character but a key part of the entire show.

    In other roles he was good in The Damned United and I also enjoyed him in "Parked", a small Irish film.

    He could not be described as a bad actor.

    DS9 has some poor actors like Alexander Siddig; middling actors like Terry Farrell, Nana Visitor; and great actors like Colm Meaney, Armin Shimerman, Rene Auberjonois and Andrew Robinson.

    I don't know what to make of Avery Brooks. He has his moments but there are often times I'm watching him and dying for a more expressive actor like Patrick Stewart or even Kate Mulgrew. But when he looses his cool, he can be very engaging. The rest of the time, his delivery seems he is playing an android.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,184 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    Ruby Rose.
    Absolutely useless in every single film or TV show I have seen her in, laughably bad.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,916 ✭✭✭StevenToast


    DS9 has some poor actors like Alexander Siddig; middling actors like Terry Farrell, Nana Visitor; and great actors like Colm Meaney, Armin Shimerman, Rene Auberjonois and Andrew Robinson.

    I don't know what to make of Avery Brooks. He has his moments but there are often times I'm watching him and dying for a more expressive actor like Patrick Stewart or even Kate Mulgrew. But when he looses his cool, he can be very engaging. The rest of the time, his delivery seems he is playing an android.

    Stephen Mchattie played the ultimate smug Romulan in DS9...

    Great show

    "Don't piss down my back and tell me it's raining." - Fletcher



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,298 ✭✭✭chicorytip


    Tom Cruise was brilliant in Vanilla Sky. Playing a disfigured guy who had everything before one moment of madness.
    I thought he played it really well.
    Whatever about acting, Cruise has onscreen charisma which goes a long way. He can just laugh and grin his way out of trouble. But he makes it look natural.
    I was actually watching a movie American Made last night - the story of Barry Seal. Would definitely recommend it. I knew nothing about the story previously. I'm sure it's exaggerated. But doesn't bother me as long as I get entertainment.
    Cruise was half decent in Eyes Wide Shut particularly in the scenes with the hooker (Domino). He played that with a kind of sombre sensitivity which was credible. Otherwise, he seems to mostly overact just like in the audio clip lambasting the film crew. That was so o.t.t. it was just bizarre. As an individual he appears to be a complete ass and not terribly bright.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,107 ✭✭✭✭bnt


    Those folks claiming Hugh Grant is bad must not have seen him recently. I haven't seen The Gentlemen, but he was very good in The Undoing last year, though let down by the script. He more than held his own opposite Meryl Streep in Florence Foster Jenkins a few years ago.

    I've always found Alec Baldwin underwhelming, at least after The Hunt For Red October, where his character was supposed to be deceptively bland. He's had his shouty roles (Glengarry Glen Ross) and has shown some mild comic timing when the writing is good (30 Rock), but I can't think of a role where another actor couldn't have done it better than him. You could expand that to include all the Baldwins, actually, even his daughter.

    You are the type of what the age is searching for, and what it is afraid it has found. I am so glad that you have never done anything, never carved a statue, or painted a picture, or produced anything outside of yourself! Life has been your art. You have set yourself to music. Your days are your sonnets.

    ―Oscar Wilde predicting Social Media, in The Picture of Dorian Gray



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,701 ✭✭✭Homelander


    This might sound like I'm taking the piss but I though Alec Baldwin was actually quite good in Friends. Really nailed that nice-but-incredibly-annoying persona really well.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,107 ✭✭✭✭bnt


    Dice75 wrote: »
    For some reason Brad Pitts portrayal of his character in Se7en always bugged me, couldn't take to him or the way he was played. Now of course he could have been directed to play him that way, who knows.
    I read that Pitt amped up his character's obnoxiousness for the sake of contrast with Morgan Freeman. But Pitt fought hard to keep that ending, which the studio couldn't want, plus he really threw himself in to the role. That bandage on his hand was not a prop, he put his hand through a windshield while shooting the scene chasing John Doe over the cars.

    You are the type of what the age is searching for, and what it is afraid it has found. I am so glad that you have never done anything, never carved a statue, or painted a picture, or produced anything outside of yourself! Life has been your art. You have set yourself to music. Your days are your sonnets.

    ―Oscar Wilde predicting Social Media, in The Picture of Dorian Gray



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,966 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    Steven Siegal.

    Watched under siege for the first time in 15 years the other day after thinking it was a masterclass.

    Jesus he was brutal.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,558 Mod ✭✭✭✭Dades


    Mark Wahlberg.

    Does good work in the odd comedy, but he can't do anything else.

    Anyone who has seen The Happening would agree.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 148 ✭✭Sakana


    Tom Cruise is brilliant in Magnolia and Edge of Tomorrow too.


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  • Posts: 8,385 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    ziedth wrote: »
    He's also absolutely scene stealing in the gentlemen




    And Paddington 2. My kids adored that film


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,383 ✭✭✭olestoepoke


    Penn wrote: »
    Brad Pitt is a fantastic actor. Fight Club, The Assassination of Jesse James, Moneyball...

    He doesn't always pick great roles which suit him, but when he does he's one of the best.

    He was excellent in the assassination of Jesse James, his greatest performance in my opinion.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,293 ✭✭✭Deusexmachina


    Dobbytoes wrote: »
    3lgs0d.jpg

    I agree. A complete plank.


  • Posts: 8,385 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    scooby77 wrote: »
    I dunno, I think he manages to convey a complex range of meaning and emotions in some very popular films using only his speaking voice and three simple words...
    "I am Groot!" :-)




    Iron Giant, literally enough said


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,293 ✭✭✭Deusexmachina


    murpho999 wrote: »
    Did you actually watch him in the show?

    He was one of the main characters in DS9 and he played the part very well

    If you look at how his character developed in Star Trek The Next Generation and then became a main role in DS9 then you'd see it was by no means a a token Irish character but a key part of the entire show.

    In other roles he was good in The Damned United and I also enjoyed him in "Parked", a small Irish film.

    He could not be described as a bad actor.

    He was brilliant in the Snapper. But you lose all credibility if Deep Space 9 is your yardstick for acting.
    Rubber faced nonsense.


  • Posts: 8,385 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    He was brilliant in the Snapper. But you lose all credibility if Deep Space 9 is your yardstick for acting.
    Rubber faced nonsense.


    Except that Andrew Robinson, alone, blows your argument out of the water


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  • Posts: 8,385 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Stephen Mchattie played the ultimate smug Romulan in DS9...

    Great show




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,627 ✭✭✭Corben Dallas


    Anyone who thinks Colm Meaney is a bad actor needs to see Layer Cake... he really shines as Gene.

    Plus great cast Michael Gambon, Daniel Craig, George Harris , Burn Gorman, the Duke and of course... Sienna Miller ]:)

    (Yes I copied it from IMDB :D)
    If you liked Snatch, Lock Stock etc, you have to see this film.


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 94,131 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    Have to say Stallone worked and fought so hard for Rocky despite studios preferring to take the script and leave him out , that he deserves his fame :)
    First Blood is a great film. The sequels not so much.

    Nighthawks was weird, when he took off his glasses he looked like he dropped 30 IQ points because you're so used to seeing him in stuff like Rocky or dumb action hero.


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 94,131 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    Anyone who thinks Colm Meaney is a bad actor needs to see Layer Cake... he really shines as Gene.

    Plus great cast Michael Gambon, Daniel Craig, George Harris , Burn Gorman, the Duke and of course... Sienna Miller ]:)

    (Yes I copied it from IMDB :D)
    If you liked Snatch, Lock Stock etc, you have to see this film.
    It was a game changer for Daniel.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,821 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams


    First Blood is a great film. The sequels not so much.

    Nighthawks was weird, when he took off his glasses he looked like he dropped 30 IQ points because you're so used to seeing him in stuff like Rocky or dumb action hero.

    Puts all into a genuine movie then cashed in on the franchise :)

    Love first blood , if only denehey let him have his breakfast he would have saved a lot of hassle


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,962 ✭✭✭✭dark crystal


    And should have won an Oscar for Magnolia, a truly stunning performance. He also gives a better performance than Hoffman in Rain Man.

    Thank you! He acted Hoffman off the screen in that film. It's my favourite role of his.
    Cruise is a very good actor when he chooses to actually act. He's merely chosen films which require him to run very fast in recent years, rather like the route Liam Neeson has chosen to go down as he's gotten older (another actor who's wasted his talent on a string of action film fodder). It's a shame, as I really enjoy watching Tom Cruise when he's given a really good role to get his acting chops into.

    My pick would be Johnny Depp. He's an overrated ham of an actor, at least over the last 15 years or so.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,128 ✭✭✭✭Oranage2


    Danny dyer, plays the same cockney Hardman in every film


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,646 ✭✭✭JayRoc


    He was excellent in the assassination of Jesse James, his greatest performance in my opinion.

    Hugely overlooked film


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,858 ✭✭✭Church on Tuesday


    Thank you! He acted Hoffman off the screen in that film. It's my favourite role of his.
    Cruise is a very good actor when he chooses to actually act. He's merely chosen films which require him to run very fast in recent years, rather like the route Liam Neeson has chosen to go down as he's gotten older (another actor who's wasted his talent on a string of action film fodder). It's a shame, as I really enjoy watching Tom Cruise when he's given a really good role to get his acting chops into.

    My pick would be Johnny Depp. He's an overrated ham of an actor, at least over the last 15 years or so.

    Mostly agree but he was immense as Whitey Bulger.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,356 ✭✭✭Heckler


    Don't really get the ragging on Depp. Ok after Sparrow there was the Hatter and such and he got a bit typecast. Have a look at his filmography. Hugely diverse roles. IMO Edward Scissorhands was his finest. Probably 10 lines in the entire movie and its a classic.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,191 ✭✭✭RandomViewer


    Mostly agree but he was immense as Whitey Bulger.

    Tried too watch Black Mass a few months ago but the make up was too off putting


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,858 ✭✭✭Church on Tuesday


    Tried too watch Black Mass a few months ago but the make up was too off putting

    Yeah the makeup was petty bad but his performance was easily the best in years. Chilling.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,690 ✭✭✭✭murpho999


    He was brilliant in the Snapper. But you lose all credibility if Deep Space 9 is your yardstick for acting.
    Rubber faced nonsense.

    I think you’re just wrong.

    Watched every episode last summer thanks to lockdown.

    Arguably the best science fiction series I’ve ever seen with fantastic acting , plots and character development.

    Your rubber faced comment is just laughable to be honest and shows disdain for the genre.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,523 ✭✭✭MfMan


    Mostly agree but he was immense as Whitey Bulger.

    Mostly disagree. Alone among all the Hollywood pretty boys - Di Caprio, Cruise, Pitt, Damon, Affleck etc. - I think Depp is the one standout who has genuine talent and charisma. I know his life has become a car-crash, getting hooked up with that golddigger hasn't helped, but he's elevated most movies I've seen him in. Donnie Brasco being a particular favourite.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,858 ✭✭✭Church on Tuesday


    MfMan wrote: »
    Mostly disagree. Alone among all the Hollywood pretty boys - Di Caprio, Cruise, Pitt, Damon, Affleck etc. - I think Depp is the one standout who has genuine talent and charisma. I know his life has become a car-crash, getting hooked up with that golddigger hasn't helped, but he's elevated most movies I've seen him in. Donnie Brasco being a particular favourite.

    Oh yeah, earlier Depp is great, it's just his later roles in recent years have been mostly meh for me.


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