2021 Irish EV sales

liamog

Continuing from last years thread https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=112378925

Rank|Make|Model|Jan 2021 Units
1|NISSAN|LEAF|200
2|VOLKSWAGEN|ID.3|125
3|KIA|NIRO|122
4|HYUNDAI|KONA|96
5|RENAULT|ZOE|83
6|PEUGEOT|2008|61
7|HYUNDAI|IONIQ|54
8|OPEL|CORSA|52
9|MINI|MINI HATCH|44
10|PEUGEOT|208|33
11|AUDI|E-TRON|20
12|KIA|SOUL|19
13|MG|MG ZS|19
14|BMW|I3|18
15|HONDA|HONDA E|8
16|TESLA|MODEL 3|7
17|MERCEDES-BENZ|EQC|7
18|JAGUAR|I-PACE|4
19|PORSCHE|TAYCAN|3
20|TESLA|MODEL S|2
21|TESLA|MODEL X|1

liamog

Feb numbers, all numbers from https://stats.beepbeep.ie/

5.88% of new cars sold in February were electric bringing us to 4.59% for the year to date.

Rank|Make|Model|Feb 2021 Units|Total
1|VOLKSWAGEN|ID.3|193|318
2|NISSAN|LEAF|89|289
3|KIA|NIRO|100|222
4|TESLA|MODEL 3|171|178
5|HYUNDAI|KONA|26|122
6|RENAULT|ZOE|24|107
7|PEUGEOT|2008|24|85
8|HYUNDAI|IONIQ|13|67
9|OPEL|CORSA|9|61
10|MINI|MINI HATCH|13|57
11|PEUGEOT|208|22|55
12|AUDI|E-TRON|30|50
13|MG|MG ZS|18|37
14|PORSCHE|TAYCAN|28|31
15|MAZDA|MX|26|26
16|KIA|SOUL|4|23
17|BMW|I3|3|21
18|MERCEDES-BENZ|EQC|5|12
19|HONDA|HONDA E|2|10
20|JAGUAR|I-PACE|5|9
21|LEXUS|UX|6|6
22|TESLA|MODEL S|0|2
23|TESLA|MODEL X|0|1
24|MG|MG5|1|1
25|PORSCHE|OTHER PORSCHE|1|1

Patser

That's a lot of Taycans, my dreams of being able to afford one by 2040 goes up as supply does too

innrain

Notable the year on year increase of 891 for Feb 2021 as compared to 390 in Feb 2020. Considering the imminent arrival of ID4 we're going to se interesting numbers soon.

liamog

Depending on what happens with the Ioniq 5, I think the ID.4 is the only big Irish launch due this year.

Patser

Honda e is doing poorly, it is just so pricey for the size of it.

If the Fiat 500 e is available as cheap as they are suggesting (c.€20k for stripped back model) that could be a big seller.

And the Mokka

And I'd say there's a lot more Model 3s to be delivered

Kramer

innrain wrote: »

Notable the year on year increase of 891 for Feb 2021 as compared to 390 in Feb 2020.

I'd wager much of that increase was due to the VAT reduction ending at the end of February. Dealers will have got those March/April/May sales pushed forward into February.

Still, as said, the ID.4 & Ioniq 5 hitting the market should give a good boost mid year.

Patser

Last year dealers were still open as normal, and Covid only a mention from China in February.

EV sales have doubled while dealerships are closed, and business that much harder to do

Black_Knight

liamog wrote: »

Depending on what happens with the Ioniq 5, I think the ID.4 is the only big Irish launch due this year.

Enyaq could have been, but they butchered the price and only a couple of hundred units at most coming in in 2021. Taking a leaf out of Kia's book (with the eNiro) and under supplying. Don't think it worked well for Kia

Patser

Ioniq 5 has had over 230,000 active enquiries in Europe alone since launch last week


https://www.topgear.com/car-news/electric/236000-people-want-hyundai-ioniq-5

Hope they don't go down Kia route with supply

Black_Knight

Patser wrote: »

Ioniq 5 has had over 230,000 active enquiries in Europe alone since launch last week


https://www.topgear.com/car-news/electric/236000-people-want-hyundai-ioniq-5

Hope they don't go down Kia route with supply

Or the Kona route with the Irish spec

Lantus

Patser wrote: »

That's a lot of Taycans, my dreams of being able to afford one by 2040 goes up as supply does too

It's such a good time to buy super expensive evs with the grant.

innrain

Black_Knight wrote: »

Or the Kona route with the Irish spec

Kona is the biggest looser so far. down more than 70% compared to Feb 2019%. And it is going to be worst giving the ID4 starts at a lower point and the recent battery issue for Hyundai. Two years ago there was nothing to compete in terms of range. It is radically different now, with so many options in the same segment so looks and options will be where the war will happen.

Black_Knight

innrain wrote: »

Kona is the biggest looser so far. down more than 70% compared to Feb 2019%. And it is going to be worst giving the ID4 starts at a lower point and the recent battery issue for Hyundai. Two years ago there was nothing to compete in terms of range. It is radically different now, with so many options in the same segment so looks and options will be where the war will happen.

If people weren't kicking themselves for buying a Kona in 2019 (bad spec, small car, big price) they should be kicking themselves in 2021 when they see what their €39k could of got them.

It'll be interesting to see the used kona prices in 2022 when PCP starts expiring. Should be quite cheap. Low 20s i'd imagine.

innrain

Well I don't because I needed a car in 2019 in fact I needed a car in 2018 but VW let me down by not delivering and after 9 months I went into a Hyundai dealership and said I want a car but want it now. Whatever the value in 2021 I used the car for 2 years and probably in 1-2 year I'll move it to be the 2nd car in the family and get something more spacious. Well at least that was the original plan. I'm with 15k km less than originally planned so it is open for debate. Whatever its minuses as a commuter car delivers what's asked.

ELM327

Lots of pre regged cars in that list too.

There's truck loads of model 3s arriving in Sandyford these days so would expect Tesla to lead the numbers for march.

Casati

ELM327 wrote: »

Lots of pre regged cars in that list too.

There's truck loads of model 3s arriving in Sandyford these days so would expect Tesla to lead the numbers for march.

Presume some Leaf sales are pre reg , but who would have thought they would be back at the top of the list with all the newer cars to chose from. Have they been discounting them or offering big scrappage?

ELM327

Yes and Yes. There's grants and 0% finance. They know the leaf is going to bite the dust once the ariya arrives so it's get them out the door now. (obviously they are not preregging many leafs at this stage )

slave1

The Leaf62 is destroyed by better competitors in almost every category.
I was very surprised to see those sales numbers

ELM327

I was trying to be polite but yes you are 110% right there.

ELM327

ELM327 wrote: »

Yes and Yes. There's grants and 0% finance. They know the leaf is going to bite the dust once the ariya arrives so it's get them out the door now. (obviously they are not preregging many leafs at this stage )

Don't forget the Kona was touted as the "leaf killer" a few years ago.
That pretty much went up in flames

liamog

slave1 wrote: »

The Leaf62 is destroyed by better competitors in almost every category.
I was very surprised to see those sales numbers

Probably still a good few Leaf40s in those numbers, they are still selling both. The entry price of 29.3 is pretty decent for an L40.

liamog

liamog wrote: »

Probably still a good few Leaf40s in those numbers, they are still selling both. The entry price of 29.3 is pretty decent for an L40.

Oh for sure.
I'd say its 98% L40s

slave1

True

Patser

What's the Other Porsche - please say it's something mental and not a mispaced PHEV

liamog

Patser wrote: »

What's the Other Porsche - please say it's something mental and not a mispaced PHEV

There's a lot of that, it took until the end of last year for them to cleanse the database, it's showing all Porsche's as band A0 so could just be a mismatch in the data.
Last year the Mini was in as about 3 different models

optimal

slave1 wrote: »

The Leaf62 is destroyed by better competitors in almost every category.
I was very surprised to see those sales numbers

Well if it has the range you need I don't see how it's "destroyed". It's very well specced, is super reliable and very comfortable and no software issues or failures (fingers crossed!). Personally I'm very happy with the choice and obviously a lot more are too!!

gary29428

The Peugeot e2008 has done quite well.....haven't seen one on the road yet.

slave1

optimal wrote: »

Well if it has the range you need I don't see how it's "destroyed". It's very well specced, is super reliable and very comfortable and no software issues or failures (fingers crossed!). Personally I'm very happy with the choice and obviously a lot more are too!!

I'm a Leaf owner myself so agree they are a great car, however with chargegate, DC charging speed, CHAdeMO and lack of active battery cooling the likes of ID3, NIRO, eCorsa even stretch to used Model 3 etc destroy the Leaf62 IMHO

Gile_na_gile

slave1 wrote: »

I'm a Leaf owner myself so agree they are a great car, however with chargegate, DC charging speed, CHAdeMO and lack of active battery cooling the likes of ID3, NIRO, eCorsa even stretch to used Model 3 etc destroy the Leaf62 IMHO

Hmm. There is not much scope for an upgrade to replace a family-oriented single car household L40 at the moment without going smaller or moving to SUV/crossover shape now or in the future. eCorsa/e208 are too small.

ID.3 is all there is but you lose space for luggage and a used Model 3 is bloody hard to find in Ireland. However, a sidegrade to L62 is costly for a bit of battery on an aging platform.

ELM327

Plenty of used M3 for sale on Donedeal. Tesla inventory is full too usually.

unkel

ELM327 wrote: »

Plenty of used M3 for sale on Donedeal. Tesla inventory is full too usually.

New is better. A Tesla Model 3 seems to depreciate less in 3 years than a Leaf62 does in a day :pac:

Gile_na_gile

unkel wrote: »

New is better. A Tesla Model 3 seems to depreciate less in 3 years than a Leaf62 does in a day :pac:

Yeah, two years motoring with a Model 3 and lose 1/7th / 7k. Not bad. No SH L62s for sale other than demos, but L40s (SV, 2019) sell SH for 20-21k having lost 8-9k, so nearly a 1/3 of value written off.

Patser

FWIW I imported my BMW i3 3 years ago this week - delivery was delayed by beast from the east. Bought it 2nd hand for €17k..... cheapest i3 now on Done Deal is €15k and not as well specced as mine, so potential 2k depreciation over 3 years

liamog

Patser wrote: »

FWIW I imported my BMW i3 3 years ago this week - delivery was delayed by beast from the east. Bought it 2nd hand for €17k..... cheapest i3 now on Done Deal is €15k and not as well specced as mine, so potential 2k depreciation over 3 years

I suspect if you bought a second hand EV in the last two years that thanks to Brexit, we may see either 0% or very low depreciation.

Patser

Yep, picked my time for when sterling was crashing. It's amazing to see the selection and price difference that was available from the UK, now nearly all gone (except for NI, and they know they've an open goal with pricing up there(

gary29428

Gile_na_gile wrote: »

Yeah, two years motoring with a Model 3 and lose 1/7th / 7k. Not bad. No SH L62s for sale other than demos, but L40s (SV, 2019) sell SH for 20-21k having lost 8-9k, so nearly a 1/3 of value written off.

Where have you seen 2019 L40's for 20-21K....23-24k from what I can see on Donedeal.

Kramer

gary29428 wrote: »

Where have you seen 2019 L40's for 20-21K....23-24k from what I can see on Donedeal.

A brand new, 211 reg Leaf 40 is €25k from Nissan, with scrappage.

If someone pays €24k for a 2 year old one, well, they're not a very savvy shopper .

gary29428

Was only asking as my sister is after a Leaf 2019ish....nothing out there below 23k....also not everyone has a scraper...my wife has a leaf and it's been brilliant, great car.

unkel

Kramer wrote: »

A brand new, 211 reg Leaf 40 is €25k from Nissan, with scrappage.

That's pretty sweet if you don't mind the drawbacks of the car like it being an old design with an inefficient drivetrain, problems with fast charging on longer journeys and an obsolete fast charging technology. Still a very capable and reliable car for most people who don't care about the above.

Where did you come across that deal?

gary29428

unkel wrote: »

That's pretty sweet if you don't mind the drawbacks of the car like it being an old design with an inefficient drivetrain, problems with fast charging on longer journeys and an obsolete fast charging technology. Still a very capable and reliable car for most people who don't care about the above.

Where did you come across that deal?

I guess it's like everything else, different strokes for different folks....our 2019 Leaf is a 2nd car, does everything we ask of it and does it well...drives nice, will do 220km on a full charge and is very reliable....others like there cars to do 0-60 in 2.5secs...others want it to open and close it's doors while flashing it's lights and playing happy birthday...each to there own.

Kramer

unkel wrote: »

That's pretty sweet......

Where did you come across that deal?

Kramer

www.scrappageguarantee.ie/

You'd probably rangle 0% finance too, if you were of the haggling mindset .

It's a good deal & will hammer used values, if people actually shop around before dropping €25k on 2 year old Leafs & Ioniqs.

I'd have a Leaf 40 in the morning at that, if it suited me. It would suit many to be fair & actually suit many more, than an Ioniq 28. Conventional looks, Nissan, more urban range (less charging), roomier (slightly) etc.

I better be careful or I'll talk myself into one .

Busman Paddy Lasty

Kramer wrote: »

www.scrappageguarantee.ie/

You'd probably rangle 0% finance too, if you were of the haggling mindset .

It's a good deal & will hammer used values, if people actually shop around before dropping €25k on 2 year old Leafs & Ioniqs.

I'd have a Leaf 40 in the morning at that, if it suited me. It would suit many to be fair & actually suit many more, than an Ioniq 28. Conventional looks, Nissan, more urban range (less charging), roomier (slightly) etc.

I better be careful or I'll talk myself into one .

Careful now. With only a 40kW motor that must be a new budget version of the Leaf

yoka

Germany hit 21.7% plugin electric vehicle share in January, how are we so far behind?

Busman Paddy Lasty

yoka wrote: »

Germany hit 21.7% plugin electric vehicle share in January, how are we so far behind?

VRT
Cancelling the EV grant for business purchases
Not extending the zero BIK for company cars

Gile_na_gile

gary29428 wrote: »

Where have you seen 2019 L40's for 20-21K....23-24k from what I can see on Donedeal.

It is true that it is just the earlier 2018 L40 models that have sub22k as list price on DD and Carsireland, but I imagine at least 1k is there as haggle space.


Also, am not sure how the buyer's market is faring now. I'll probably sell a 2019 L40 next year to get another family car with bigger range (single car household). Great commuter car, but adds a bit of time for reg 200km journeys pre/post pandemic, either because of driving or stopping to charge.

unkel

Busman Paddy Lasty wrote: »

Careful now. With only a 40kW motor that must be a new budget version of the Leaf

Unbelievably unprofessional and incompetent ad, isn't it just?

Maybe the ESB did up the ad for Nissan

AndyBoBandy

Casati wrote: »

Presume some Leaf sales are pre reg , but who would have thought they would be back at the top of the list with all the newer cars to chose from. Have they been discounting them or offering big scrappage?

slave1 wrote: »

The Leaf62 is destroyed by better competitors in almost every category.
I was very surprised to see those sales numbers

The biggest advantage to buying is a Leaf now is that 50% of the national DC charging network (lets assume ecars is the national network) is exclusively for you.......

I'd imagine the hamper(s) that arrive at ecars HQ every Christmas from Nissan Ireland are fantastically stocked with the finest wares....

ELM327

You can now get a L62 for 700 p/m with no deposit, or an L40 for 550.
https://www.nissan.ie/vehicles/offers/subscribe-and-drive.html

They are giving them away, and you've got a nationwide FCP network exclusively for leafs!

Busman Paddy Lasty

unkel wrote: »

Unbelievably unprofessional and incompetent ad, isn't it just?

Maybe the ESB did up the ad for Nissan

Brutal. Maybe Nissan use the same web design as Audi, remember their copy and past job.

"Coming in autumn 2021 the Nissan Model YAriya 300kW"