Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IX *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

hynesie08

whippet wrote: »

I just saw a video of her opening on facebook - Ben Gilroy at her side ... blabbering about rights under the constitution - so if she is getting legal advice from Gilroy you can be fairly sure is all nonsense.

So she's a lunatic, got ya. Probably shouldn't be trusted with a pair of scissors.

hynesie08

timmyntc wrote: »

I think the point is to get publicity. I'm sure she knows she'll get shut down promptly, but after her the hope is that more will follow suit.

It puts pressure on govt, just the first of many small acts of defiance to come

If that was the case, every pub would have followed your man in mayo during the winter.

timmyntc

Boggles wrote: »

It doesn't.

So if all Salons in the country decided to open in defiance of govt restrictions, that wont be putting pressure on the government?

paw patrol

retro:electro wrote: »

Very little of that out of you too.. and those are just the posts you made after your “sneering” one.

yesterday he said I was wrong regarding EUA
I posted a counter with link to EU agencies. no response of acknowledgement

He is just here for the sneer and tbh in recent times not worth the effort

timmyntc

hynesie08 wrote: »

If that was the case, every pub would have followed your man in mayo during the winter.

Public opinion has changed a lot since then though - and look at businesses in Tralee planning a reopening for example. They wont be the last

robbiezero

timmyntc wrote: »

Thanks for that.

That really is mad - tying a ban of evictions to a 5km travel limit seems dubious at best - also moving house is a valid reason to go beyond 5km limit, so would wonder how the eviction ban can tie in with that rule.

That is unbelievable if true. Its the dumbest thing I have heard of in this pandemic.

Once again, I am thankful I don't pay any heed to that nonsense restriction.

SnuggyBear

Boggles wrote: »

It doesn't.

It does

paw patrol

doublejobbing 2 wrote: »

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8945387/Coronavirus-Europe-Christmas-cancelled-amid-soaring-cases.html

The state of the comments from these entitled wastes of space. Wuuh ma mental health. I need Christmas so you lads can have another five months indoors.

So what?
If you don't believe the hype why follow it.
Fair play to those who came home. Your gripe should be with the state not those living their lives.

Boggles

timmyntc wrote: »

So if all Salons in the country decided to open in defiance of govt restrictions, that wont be putting pressure on the government?

We have gone from reality to fantasy in one post.

Do you think all Salons will open in protest?

You do realize most business owners are not dangerously stupid or attention seeking cretins?

They are well aware the financial aid is what is keeping large amounts of them from insolvency.

'Ignore the pandemic economics' is for the weak minded and odd hair dresser trying to be a local "ledge".

ypres5

pm1977x wrote: »

I wouldn't ask any constitutional questions in this thread, yesterday we were told in no uncertain terms that a passport is a constitutional right and plenty of sheep were going along with it until it was exposed as a bare-faced lie. Don't think they even had the good grace to apologise or admit their error, just kept digging.

you'd best get onto the sheep at citizen info and let them know they're telling bare faced lies.

normanoffside

I’m still trying to get my head around this.
I can’t exercise 5.1km from my home because otherwise somebody might get evicted?

Graham

normanoffside wrote: »

I’m still trying to get my head around this.
I can’t exercise 5.1km from my home because otherwise somebody might get evicted?

That's not it.

ypres5

hynesie08 wrote: »

If that was the case, every pub would have followed your man in mayo during the winter.

a lot of them probably complied off the assumption they'd be let open soon enough in the new year with the vaccine rollout. now that the best the government is currently offering is a maybe on inter county travel and a beach in your locality i imagine theyre a bit put out

timmyntc

Boggles wrote: »

We have gone from reality to fantasy in one post.

Do you think all Salons will open in protest?

You do realize most business owners are not dangerously stupid or attention seeking cretins?

They are well aware the financial aid is what is keeping large amounts of them from insolvency.

'Ignore the pandemic economics' is for the weak minded and odd hair dresser trying to be a local "ledge".

No, I do not think all Salons will open in protest. Some will, it will definitely be the minority, but to say that doesnt put some amount of pressure on the govt is false.

The restrictions are what is pushing them towards insolvency - the demand is there for their services, but the govt is interfering in the market by forcing them shut. In a normal market they would be perfectly solvent and profitable - suggesting that they need to stay closed so they can keep getting miniscule amounts of financial aid from the govt (the same govt that closed them) is absurd.

TomSweeney

CruelSummer wrote: »

Claire Byrne Live is a disgrace, trying to discredit the UK roadmap, saying there still might be ‘deaths’. Some Irish doomer on saying there will be a 4th wave. The time is coming to protest (even online) and take the Government, media and scientists to court over what they’re attempting here.

She is a dangerous evil sociopath.

She is doing more damage with her scaremongering than the virus ever will, she is hoping and praying the UK fail and have a 4th wave just to scream "Told you so...."

These people need to face consequences after all this.

Dangerous to have them as mouth pieces, she should be relegated to the 12-6am slot on Lyric FM.

TomSweeney

TimeToShine wrote: »

I can't believe there are people on these threads who actually want the UK's plan to fail, so death here is unacceptable but hoping for it to prove a point about incessant lockdowns it's OK?

The hypocrisy is disgraceful. Never thought I'd hear myself say it but we should be cheering and lauding the UK as pioneers for this bold plan, and believe me if you told me I'd be saying something like that a year ago I would have laughed in your face.

Yep, it's the same people that were **** over Swedens high death rate.
Little sociopathic far left wing thugs...

CruelSummer

TomSweeney wrote: »

She is a dangerous evil sociopath.

She is doing more damage with her scaremongering than the virus ever will, she is hoping and praying the UK fail and have a 4th wave just to scream "Told you so...."

These people need to face consequences after all this.

Dangerous to have them as mouth pieces, she should be relegated to the 12-6am slot on Lyric FM.

While I don’t agree with RTÉ or the media’s agenda in general, I have no problem with Claire Byrne or other presenters in the overall job they do. They’re just pushing the narrative they’ve been told to push.

retro:electro

normanoffside wrote: »

I’m still trying to get my head around this.
I can’t exercise 5.1km from my home because otherwise somebody might get evicted?

Yes every time you wander 5.1k from your home a family somewhere gets evicted. It’s like those ads “every time you blink a child dies”.. STOP BLINKING!

UsBus

CruelSummer wrote: »

While I don’t agree with RTÉ or the media’s agenda in general, I have no problem with Claire Byrne or other presenters in the overall job they do. They’re just pushing the narrative they’ve been told to push.

Pretty crappy treatment of Paul Treyvaud this morning by RTE. Contacting him to give an exclusive about him reopening his restaurant this summer. Then they cancel on him last minute after he had turned down many other interview offers.

paw patrol

pm1977x wrote: »

I wouldn't ask any constitutional questions in this thread, yesterday we were told in no uncertain terms that a passport is a constitutional right and plenty of sheep were going along with it until it was exposed as a bare-faced lie. Don't think they even had the good grace to apologise or admit their error, just kept digging.

it's is tbh . we have the constitutional right to travel including a passport (says citizens info) to deny a passport denies the right to travel.

It can be denied on compelling grounds including national security , public health etc...
is covid one? I'd say no. the government would say yes.

however they aren't banning travel for everybody which would (IMO) impact Article 40 where we are all equal under the law.
The passport denial is restricting travel unequally and doesn't treat people equally.

Of course , the law isn't black and white - we see the supreme court split quite often on this and they are the experts. So the notion that it is a binary decision as you imply is bizarre.

although I agree if you actually want constitutional law for purposes other than chat and debate, pay the lawyer. But that's common sense.

Boggles

timmyntc wrote: »

No, I do not think all Salons will open in protest. Some will, it will definitely be the minority, but to say that doesnt put some amount of pressure on the govt is false.

The restrictions are what is pushing them towards insolvency - the demand is there for their services, but the govt is interfering in the market by forcing them shut. In a normal market they would be perfectly solvent and profitable - suggesting that they need to stay closed so they can keep getting miniscule amounts of financial aid from the govt (the same govt that closed them) is absurd.

See, there is your problem you envisage a "normal market" with a once in a generation pandemic.

It's myopic fantasy.

timmyntc

Boggles wrote: »

See, there is your problem you envisage a "normal market" with a once in a generation pandemic.

It's myopic fantasy.

So do you really think people are so terrified they wont get their hair cut or nails done etc?

Despite the fact that salons & personal services were flat out and booked for weeks when they opened last, and this particular salon that is breaking restrictions by opening is fully booked also?

I think the myopic one is you

Boggles

timmyntc wrote: »

So do you really think people are so terrified they wont get their hair cut or nails done etc?

If we went back to similar levels of infection or beyond that we saw last month with hospitals filling up and the level of mortality?

No, and I imagine it wouldn't just be the customers that would abandon ship, I imagine staffing such places would be a problem.

Any particular reason you think she didn't pull this stunt last month?

retro:electro

retro:electro wrote: »

Hmm.. I wonder why people think that??



Very little of that out of you too.. and those are just the posts you made after your “sneering” one.


That was almost too easy :pac:

Regression to the mean.

Sometimes however, when faced with patent nonsense, there is no other option

hynesie08

So if a member of the public or staff catch covid in the outlaw salon, and then sue, will Ben Gilroy defend her in court?

Silentcorner

A myopic fantasy is that covid would have killed 120,000 of us, or that there would be mass graves and freezer trucks full of bodies...I feel sorry for the people who initially bought into this, they're bound to be feeling embarrassed at this stage, those with self awareness anyway!

timmyntc

Boggles wrote: »

If we went back to similar levels of infection or beyond that we saw last month with hospitals filling up and the level of mortality?

No, and I imagine it wouldn't just be the customers that would abandon ship, I imagine staffing such places would be a problem.

Any particular reason you think she didn't pull this stunt last month?

But we arent living in last month, we are in the present.
Also even if we were, while there might be a slight dip in demand, most would still go, and still work. People would be glad to have a proper income
Sure even at the height of infection there were and are people going to "closed" salons - black market haircuts.


It's very clear you think the public are more scared and adherent to the rules than they actually are.

Boggles

timmyntc wrote: »

But we arent living in last month, we are in the present.

And that's why you or rogue hair dressers don't give public health advice during a pandemic.

Silentcorner

Deleted User wrote: »

Let’s all thank the next round of nonsense in the bizarre alternative reality you have created for yourselves

Deleted User wrote: »

Regression to the mean.

Sometimes however, when faced with patent nonsense, there is no other option

You made a claim that people were living in an alternate reality.

You also made a claim that we had suffered great numbers of excess death.

Which is an alternate reality.

You were shown to be completely incorrect, you tried to wiggle out of it using a "Fact check" from The Journal, an outlet produced by emotional young one's who get paid peanuts...unfortunately, they sucked you in with their rubbish claims despite the amount of blatant misrepresentations riddled all over the article.

And you claim it is us who are dispensing with patent nonsense....

ingo1984

whippet wrote: »

I just saw a video of her opening on facebook - Ben Gilroy at her side ... blabbering about rights under the constitution - so if she is getting legal advice from Gilroy you can be fairly sure is all nonsense.

Bit of a grey area. UN declaration of human rights state that every human has the right to work and provide for their family. This cannot be take away by any government however may be restricted. He right has been denied by the government. Fair argument to me.