Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IX *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

paw patrol

Deleted User wrote: »

Its when people descend to bizarre fantasies such as the journal is a paid propaganda organ of the government among, PCR conspiracies, government loves lockdowns, Tony is using it to drive an anti alcohol agenda etc etc etc etc etc.

The Journal.
Have been supportive in the extreme of the governments methods. Like all media they are getting state cash for their covid ads which was massive amount of cash at least in the earlier stages. I'm not privvy to the fine detail - but it's not unreasonable to believe that part of that deal is be on song.
Do you think this is an unreasonable assumption? Given the journals gung ho support for lockdowns etc....and far right labelling (they must be burning through labelling machines at this rate) I think not.

PCR
The FOI from the Dept of Health - which I posted on this thread (older version) stated they ran them to 45 cycles. Anything over 35 cycles is a load of bollocks ...the WHO said so themselves in more polite language. I call this out months before the WHO said it, cos I'm good like that.


Government loves lockdowns
You may have a point here. They probably don't love lockdowns but are rudderless and have no exit plan. They might as well.

Dr Tony
He does have an anti booze agenda. He is on record saying this. You can argue that doesn't affect his decisions on covid10 - argue away.
I think it does. But you can't deny his negative view - he is a better man than I if his views didn't effect the pubs but at a minimum he doesn't get the importance of pubs in terms of peoples lives.


You had 1 out 4. maybe 1.5 if I give a half point for the journal.

ypres5

Silentcorner wrote: »

I think it should fall into the remit of the Citizens Assembly or similar entity to police the media somewhat.

If you watch a movie on tv these days, they often come with a warning about reflecting different values or some such nonsense, it's all a bit weird...

But for instance if the Claire Byrne show has deliberately misrepresented a topic and it has been proven then a warning should accompany that program for a period of time, at the beginning, same for any news content on any station.

They need to be babysat unfortunately!

i must say claire byrnes programming is turning into a slightly more dressed up Infowars or joe rogan experience between the pseudoscience being peddled and nutty professors who've gone off the reservation

CruelSummer

CruelSummer wrote: »

https://twitter.com/griptmedia/status/1364193937955692545?s=21

This is extremely sinister and dangerous in the extreme.
Yesterday two of these professors were on The Last Word with no alternative viewpoint being offered. Another was in rte radio in the morning trying to keep schools closed. The attempt at normalising the extremists is a disgrace.
The extremists agenda is absolutely shocking - they should be locked up with all the damage they’re causing Irish society.

Most agree that ISAG have jumped the shark

Windmill100000

timmyntc wrote: »

Alternative universe?
Maybe this one, where a salon opened today and is already fully booked out?

I don't follow Ben Gilroy other than knowing he's a nutter with a hurl, so you can leave your ad hominems at the door.

I also already stated previously that I do not expect all salons countrywide to open, it was a hypothetical. I'm very sure you are aware of the concept.

I take it since you are now ignoring the other points in my last post and trying to drag things over to this that you concede you were wrong. That's very gracious of you.

That salon was closed by Gardai within a matter of hours so doubt they had much custom this morning.

paw patrol

DellyBelly wrote: »

I really hope they raise it to 10km. I am 8km from a beach and really want to get there for a walk. I am missing it big time. This 5km is so cruel...

Just go. What is stopping you? You think they're going to send you a thank you card for being a good citizen. Your life is more important ...you'll never get it back...and for what?

Leftwaffe

DellyBelly wrote: »

I really hope they raise it to 10km. I am 8km from a beach and really want to get there for a walk. I am missing it big time. This 5km is so cruel...

Are you serious? Go to the f*cking beach. Has to be a wind up.

PTH2009

There all so geedy in the UK with there news of easing restrictions

Some difference to here where we're going to be locked down further with a certain UK variant which is deadlier but do the UK know about it ?

ceadaoin.

retro:electro wrote: »

In a few months from now, when all this has died down a bit and emotions aren’t as rampant, I hope there is an investigation into how we let such unchallenged, damaging and dangerous drivel take over our airwaves and tv screens at such a fundamental time, and the impact it has had on our collective mental health. And RTE should be right front and centre. For a station that was all about mental health (the topic de jour not so long ago) they sure as hell don’t give a fcuk anymore

I honestly think this period will be studied a lot over coming years as another mass hysteria/moral panic. Yes, covid is a real thing but the reaction has been completely over the top, and honestly the way people have been brainwashed to think covid is lurking just waiting to infect those who don't follow THE RULES is like the satanic panic or something.

Boggles

Boggles wrote: »

Your comprehension issues are my fault?

That is a bit conspiracy TBF.

And yet your next post after this, in response to the news that the ISAG is using Rules for Radicals as their handbook and openly trying to "increase uncertainty, anxiety and insecurity" in the population of your country, and these people are being invited to propagandise your fellow countrymen on the daily, is... "herpaderp [insert name of thing you personally have a gripe with]".

You're a comedian, Boggles.

Silentcorner

Silentcorner wrote: »

You don't entertain genuine arguments.

You previously dismissed the need to have alternate opinions on media about lock downs...and yet you couldn't name an expert who has been most accurate in their predictions.

Nobody made a prediction about what would happen with ongoing restrictions. Sensible commentators were projecting 30-50k deaths, which at 0.6% IFR is not outrageous.
I also do not recall ever dismissing the need for alternate opinions.

You previously dismissed the ability to shield the over 70s in a more humane fashion.

I dismissed the fantasy that the disease could be allowed run rampant through the wider community and not have major impacts on the vulnerable

You have convinced yourself we have had excess deaths in 2019 without a shred of evidence...you have stopped mentioning Euromomo where you originally got your data...I suspect I know why.

I constantly reference Euromom. Anyone who knows the data however knows there is a serious lag in Euromomo data for Ireland particularly. We have 1000 excess death reports YTD yet as yet Euromomo shows none because of delayed reporting. What euromomo does show is that the reporting however is close to the same Number of excess deaths as covid deaths in the areas covered by the system. UK similarly has similar numbers of excess and covid deaths. Now, I will told told these aren't relevant to Ireland as if the virus is different somehow

You have consistently supported the strictest, most damaging lock down in Europe to the point where you can't tolerate criticism of it.

I have constantly challenged the baseless nonsense used by some to challenge restrictions. Not the fact that restrictions can be challenged. Lots of posts I have left unchallenged because they make a valid point. The fact that you have read criticism of the nonsense points as blind support of restrictions suggests you are not as confident in your rhetoric as you make out and seek to somehow belittle the arguments against you point by presenting extreme versions of them that dont accord with what the individual actually says

You are a lock down extremist for some reason...a tool that should never have been used for this long on account of the damage they clearly cause...

100% wrong. I dont want lockdowns. I understand what they try to achieve however. That is a major difference. Boggles, who I have argued with far more frequently than your good self, can attest to my views on this since I started posting in the forum last March.

We all recognize the need for restrictions, it is the strictest lockdown in Europe that most of us have the issue with!

We are the strictest in some senses - we never had curfews for example, never had permits to go out and about, and never had any real enforcement. It also needs to be understood that countries are going with the level of restrictions required to ensure the population will adhere to enough to make an impact. Believe it is something like 80% of people adhering 80% of the time for Ireland.

Now in Germany, a population who wont cross at a pedestrian crossing with a red light even on a deserted street will on average conform readily. Irish people however...

Now I do realise you will read everything I wrote as "I love lockdowns"

facehugger99

Leftwaffe wrote: »

Are you serious? Go to the f*cking beach. Has to be a wind up.

I have no sympathy for people like this. They are the reason we are in this hole.

Waiting for the man on the telly to tell them what to do and what to think.

Boggles

Deleted User wrote: »

And yet your next post after this, in response to the news that the ISAG is using Rules for Radicals as their handbook and openly trying to "increase uncertainty, anxiety and insecurity" in the population of your country, and these people are being invited to propagandise your fellow countrymen on the daily, is... "herpaderp [insert name of thing you personally have a gripe with]".

You're a comedian, Boggles.

You meant he post where they want to put the media on trial after all this?

That certainly was funny, I can't take credit for it though.

Silentcorner

Silentcorner wrote: »

I think it should fall into the remit of the Citizens Assembly or similar entity to police the media somewhat.

If you watch a movie on tv these days, they often come with a warning about reflecting different values or some such nonsense, it's all a bit weird...

But for instance if the Claire Byrne show has deliberately misrepresented a topic and it has been proven then a warning should accompany that program for a period of time, at the beginning, same for any news content on any station.

They need to be babysat unfortunately!

Jesus. A Thoughtpolice of some sort. Who decides what is verboten

DellyBelly

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000 wrote: »

Imagine being this pathetic.

Apologies if Idon't want to get a fine or a criminal record...I want to do the right thing...

ypres5

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Jesus. A Thoughtpolice of some sort. Who decides what is verboten

so do you think it's appropriate for scientists and experts to abuse their position to ramp up anxiety amongst the public to push an agenda?

paw patrol

paw patrol wrote: »

The Journal.
Have been supportive in the extreme of the governments methods. Like all media they are getting state cash for their covid ads which was massive amount of cash at least in the earlier stages. I'm not privvy to the fine detail - but it's not unreasonable to believe that part of that deal is be on song.
Do you think this is an unreasonable assumption? Given the journals gung ho support for lockdowns etc....and far right labelling (they must be burning through labelling machines at this rate) I think not.

PCR
The FOI from the Dept of Health - which I posted on this thread (older version) stated they ran them to 45 cycles. Anything over 35 cycles is a load of bollocks ...the WHO said so themselves in more polite language. I call this out months before the WHO said it, cos I'm good like that.


Government loves lockdowns
You may have a point here. They probably don't love lockdowns but are rudderless and have no exit plan. They might as well.

Dr Tony
He does have an anti booze agenda. He is on record saying this. You can argue that doesn't affect his decisions on covid10 - argue away.
I think it does. But you can't deny his negative view - he is a better man than I if his views didn't effect the pubs but at a minimum he doesn't get the importance of pubs in terms of peoples lives.


You had 1 out 4. maybe 1.5 if I give a half point for the journal.

I thought I didn't need to post this again, but heyho

https://www.hpsc.ie/a-z/respiratory/coronavirus/novelcoronavirus/guidance/outbreakmanagementguidance/PCR%20weak%20results%20guidance.pdf

Captain_Crash

Had a response from on of my local TD’s this afternoon. He said that NPHET are now accepting rapid antigen testing in some circumstances and there is a drive in government to have RAT expanded.

One other thing I noted was his belief that had RAT been in place at xmas and not dismissed by NPHET, we may not be in the mess we are today.

gw80

So yesterday I travelled from cork city to waterford city when the sun was shining,
Got stopped at 3 checkpoints,
Today I done the same journey in the rain, not one checkpoint,
So is covid 19 so important that we shouldn't be travelling more than 5 km or not,
Surely if its that important then the gaurds should be out rain, hail or shine,no?

It's kinda like, if I look out my back window and see some guy beating up my granny, I run to the back door,but when I open the door I realise it's raining,so I don't bother going out and granny is on her own.

So is it important or not?

ypres5

ypres5 wrote: »

so do you think it's appropriate for scientists and experts to abuse their position to ramp up anxiety amongst the public to push an agenda?

I was replying to the suggestion we should setup a media police.

On the link re the ISAG, you will see I suggested they jumped the shark ages ago. I will be looking for a second source on that article however having checked out Gript.

Boggles

Captain_Crash wrote: »

Had a response from on of my local TD’s this afternoon. He said that NPHET are now accepting rapid antigen testing in some circumstances and there is a drive in government to have RAT expanded.

One other thing I noted was his belief that had RAT been in place at xmas and not dismissed by NPHET, we may not be in the mess we are today.

In place where exactly?

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000

DellyBelly wrote: »

Apologies if Idon't want to get a fine or a criminal record...I want to do the right thing...

What I said there was a bit over the top. But, like another poster said you won't get this time back. If you want to go to the beach, go.

Anyway. It's raining, there'll be no checkpoints in rain.

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000

Just listening to newstalk news there. Story about the woman who opened her salon in Balbriggan immediately followed by a non news story about a woman who got covid and spent 32 days in hospital.

Yeah sure. Not an agenda. How are people not seeing through this?!

Boggles

Boggles wrote: »

You meant he post where they want to put the media on trial after all this?

That certainly was funny, I can't take credit for it though.

If the pandemic is a serious enough event to instate laws that restrict citizens to within a 5km of their homes—and even then under only very specific conditions—and shutter small businesses, schools and halt major areas of construction, then it is certainly serious enough to bring fearmongering propagandists to account during the analysis phase to come.

paddyisreal

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000 wrote: »

Just listening to newstalk news there. Story about the woman who opened her salon in Balbriggan immediately followed by a non news story about a woman who got covid and spent 32 days in hospital.

Yeah sure. Not an agenda. How are people not seeing through this?!

Same woman was in Joe Duffy a few weeks ago with the same story.

ypres5

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I was replying to the suggestion we should setup a media police.

On the link re the ISAG, you will see I suggested they jumped the shark ages ago. I will be looking for a second source on that article however having checked out Gript.

i don't think having some oversight would be equal to a media police but the current state of affairs with rte is like watching an Infowars with state funding and better presentation

KrustyUCC

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

In fairness I'd say it's more down to the fact you're a lot less likely to have too many people out and about when the weather is like this. Checkpoints would be a bit of a waste of resources.

Checkpoints move location as well

There's a permanent checkpoint on the west side of Cork City on the N22

There was a mobile checkpoint near Ringaskiddy today I was stopped at if the lashing wind and rain

Guards soaked in fariness to them

Essential worker then allowed to move on

normanoffside

Leftwaffe wrote: »

Are you serious? Go to the f*cking beach. Has to be a wind up.

But if he goes, somebody will get evicted.

Boggles

Deleted User wrote: »

If the pandemic is a serious enough event to instate laws that restrict citizens to within a 5km of their homes—and even then under only very specific conditions—and shutter small businesses, schools and halt major areas of construction, then it is certainly serious enough to bring fearmongering propagandists to account during the analysis phase to come.

Would you extend the purge to individuals?

Would this new Media Police have the ability to prosecute self published fear mongering and misinformation?

Boggles

Boggles wrote: »

In place where exactly?

Dont you know Rapid Antigen testing stops covid in its tracks. Sure Slovakia has have virtually no cases since they tested their entire country in October.

There are so many easy solutions out there they dont want to implement because they love lockdown

ypres5

ypres5 wrote: »

i don't think having some oversight would be equal to a media police but the current state of affairs with rte is like watching an Infowars with state funding and better presentation

Jesus, RTE must have improved an awful lot. Alex Jones may be a nutter, but to suggest Miriam is a better presenter is a gross insult to him