Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IX *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

Chopper Dave

normanoffside wrote: »

There is definitely a changing tide now. #Endthelockdown is trending on twitter and being vocalised by people who were previously in favour of most restrictions.

This is the most vocal I have seen McNamara

A lot of FF TDs talking like they're opposition spokespeople rather than actually GOVERNMENT backbenchers 😃. Heard John McGuinness doing the same.

But yesterday won't have done NEPHT any favours. Claiming that numbers back in the office have gone from 50% to 60% is absolute rubbish - in Dublin anyway. The City Centre is absolutely empty; there's no traffic; no cyclists, etc. Maybe it's busier today than it was in January but it's a tiny fraction of what passed for normal last February

Doctor Jimbob

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

I'd like to see us embrace outdoor dining/drinking more in general, even after all this is done. The weather isn't that bad, in Dublin at least. Might be a bit of a harder sell in Galway right enough.

T'will be grand

copeyhagen

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Some of them will be back

A nice pint in Weatherspoons will be the future of having a social beverage

****ers dont sell plain

normanoffside

Chopper Dave wrote: »

A lot of FF TDs talking like they're opposition spokespeople rather than actually GOVERNMENT backbenchers 😃. Heard John McGuinness doing the same.

But yesterday won't have done NEPHT any favours. Claiming that numbers back in the office have gone from 50% to 60% is absolute rubbish - in Dublin anyway. The City Centre is absolutely empty; there's no traffic; no cyclists, etc. Maybe it's busier today than it was in January but it's a tiny fraction of what passed for normal last February

What galled me was the DOH thanking NPHET for letting them allow vaccinated nursing home residents to have visitors.

TonyMaloney

Deleted User wrote: »

T'will be grand

I'd rather be there with a pint than without one

copeyhagen

Graham wrote: »

+1

Bring on Level 4 although I'd like to see the "absolute maximum of 15 people" reconsidered in favour of something that takes the available space into account.

Venues that are able to safely accommodate more should be allowed to do so if they can manage it properly.

this is a fair point, few of the pubs ehre lcoally have HUGE private carparks where they could easily accomodate 80/100 people in sectioned off booths

SnuggyBear

ypres5 wrote: »

for anyone who thinks businesses will bounce back just like that

https://www.dublinlive.ie/news/dublin-news/lockdown-ireland-dublin-hospitality-manager-20096997

It's a whole new world now, this kind of business in a city is ****ed. Cities are ****ed.
I work in hospitality and I'm thinking of jumping ship. The only thing keeping me waiting this long is my fondness of working in the industry.

amlinopta

RTE revelling in the new restrictions in Italy, lead story on the News at One on radio. Expect some full on George Lee later.

Hurrache

amlinopta wrote: »

RTE revelling in the new restrictions in Italy, lead story on the News at One on radio. Expect some full on George Lee later.

RTE haven't brought in the restrictions though, a bizarre link that some people actually may make. It's news, it's relevant, and they're reporting it, that's all, Misery Guts Lee aside.

Graham

copeyhagen wrote: »

this is a fair point, few of the pubs ehre lcoally have HUGE private carparks where they could easily accomodate 80/100 people in sectioned off booths

Gardens, car-parks, pavements, closed roads.

As long as spacing can be maintained, let them at it.

RGS

TonyMaloney wrote: »

I'd like to see outdoor drinking/dining open up as soon as it's deemed safe. Perhaps earlier than July.

I agree opening open dining etc should be earlier than July.

Whats safe?
What criteria should be used to determine whats safe?


That's the 64 million dollar question.


In the government waffle/plan there are no metrics that people can review and see where we are going.


Without metrics it is too easy for NPHET and the government to trot out the usual trite " we are not where we want to be". They can keep shifting the goalposts and we cant even find the pitch, not to mention the goalposts.


And this is whats driving most posters here demented. The lack of a clear concise plan to get us out of this mess.

TonyMaloney

RGS wrote: »

I agree opening open dining etc should be earlier than July.

Whats safe?
What criteria should be used to determine whats safe?


That's the 64 million dollar question.


In the government waffle/plan there are no metrics that people can review and see where we are going.


Without metrics it is too easy for NPHET and the government to trot out the usual trite " we are not where we want to be". They can keep shifting the goalposts and we cant even find the pitch, not to mention the goalposts.


And this is whats driving most posters here demented. The lack of a clear concise plan to get us out of this mess.

They don't have a clear concise plan because they're dealing with the unknown.
If they published what appeared to be a clear and concise plan, in all likelihood what actually transpires would look nothing like said plan.
And that would cause ructions and make them look like idiots.

They're trying to get kids back to school and the hospitals back to normal function.
If that goes well things can accelerate and a plan for general reopening can be formulated.

But at the moment it's very much wait and see. It's a ****ty situation, but that's where we are.

Vital Transformation

#EndTheLockdown trending on Irish twitter.

hynesie08

Vital Transformation wrote: »

#EndTheLockdown trending on Irish twitter.

No its not

Sharpyshoot

At least the vaccine roll out is a success

Vital Transformation

hynesie08 wrote: »

No its not

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Billgirlylegs

TonyMaloney wrote: »

It's a little sad that many of you think all this variant talk is nonsense.
A couple of weeks ago we wiped the floor with good old covid for the third time. We pulverized it. It's pretty much extinct on the island of Ireland.

The reason you're stuck in your gaf is because of B117. And it's not that NPHET is being overly cautious about the unknown, b117 has proven itself in multiple countries to being much more resilient.
It's now a known. You guys just don't know it yet somehow.

Apologies if someone jumped over this earlier. Just reading it now.

Cillian de Gascun described B117 in early January as being responsible for 3% of the cases. The "experts" had been flapping about a spike in cases by 21 December 2020 and we got the usual series of lectures about letting our guard down and opening up.
Yet "they" (Experts/Government/NEPHET/HSE/some experts on Boards) were tut tutting about Christmas Dinner and "socialising" being responsible.
It was only after "they" dropped the ball - again - that "they" finally copped on and realised B117 was the issue here.

All made worse because this more contagious version hit here at the worst time of the year for crappy weather, short daylight and generally being the time when people pick up coughs, colds, and all those sneezy doses.
And it is the time when death rates hit a peak.

An earlier contribution said "they" - presumably referring to and including Experts/Government/NEPHET/HSE - had done a good job.

No.

hynesie08

Vital Transformation wrote: »

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https://mobile.twitter.com/explore/tabs/trending

RGS

TonyMaloney wrote: »

They don't have a clear concise plan because they're dealing with the unknown.
If they published what appeared to be a clear and concise plan, in all likelihood what actually transpires would look nothing like said plan.
And that would cause ructions and make them look like idiots.

They're trying to get kids back to school and the hospitals back to normal function.
If that goes well things can accelerate and a plan for general reopening can be formulated.

But at the moment it's very much wait and see. It's a ****ty situation, but that's where we are.

The bit in bold is amazing. We cant issue a clear plan because the outcome wont look anything like the plan. At present the government are not just looking like idiots they are acting like idiots.


You build in contingencies into any plan, if the metrics aren't met the relaxation does not go ahead. People are not stupid they will see the plan and the metrics and the majority would embrace it.


But we are been treated like mushrooms


FED SH**E AND KEPT IN THE DARK.

Vital Transformation

hynesie08 wrote: »

https://mobile.twitter.com/explore/tabs/trending

Proof of it trending is literally captioned in my screenshot.

Kermit.de.frog

Not a good idea looking for people to be mystic megs in order to provide assurance.

They are not in a position to be precise.

TonyMaloney

RGS wrote: »

The bit in bold is amazing. We cant issue a clear plan because the outcome wont look anything like the plan. At present the government are not just looking like idiots they are acting like idiots.


You build in contingencies into any plan, if the metrics aren't met the relaxation does not go ahead. People are not stupid they will see the plan and the metrics and the majority would embrace it.


But we are been treated like mushrooms


FED SH**E AND KEPT IN THE DARK.

So what do you want - an arbitrary meaningless date?

Or do you want them to concoct some convoluted algorytm that distills the huge number of factors that impact their decisions into something you can read?

They have a plan. They're acting on it. It's just full of unknowns right now, so they can't give you the kind of details you're so desperate for.

Renault 5

Vital Transformation wrote: »

Proof of it trending is literally captioned in my screenshot.

what number?

gozunda

Klonker wrote: »

You're right. You didn't ask me, I was wrong.

Fair enough.

Klonker wrote: »

You did however blame the surge at Christmas to the loosening of restrictions in December and then you chastise me for playing the blame game when I said locking down October to December was also a contributing factor.

Thats a no - a definitive no on that.

The observation was that a surge did indeed happen. And that's not to attribute 'blame". But with that my observation that its " that Ireland was the only country which defacto opened up for Christmas and ended up with the highest rate of infection in the world". Both remain true statements.

But no I didn't "chastise you" (wtf?) I just chose to ignore the question you asked and as pointed out that was going back to having a discussion about who was to blame for the whole sorry debacle.

Klonker wrote: »

Telling me not to take things personally while at the same time highlighting that I had the audacity to use the term 'people like you' and then accuse my comment to have pejorative connotations :pac:

Anyway I won't be engaging with you any further, I've better things to do with my time.

Where are you pulling this stuff from seriously? But yes on your part that seems to be taking things personally. As for the use of "people like you" - that does indeed have pejorative connotations when its a topic which is under discussion and not the poster

I have no issue with not engaging further tbh.

ypres5

normanoffside wrote: »

There is definitely a changing tide now. #Endthelockdown is trending on twitter and being vocalised by people who were previously in favour of most restrictions.

This is the most vocal I have seen McNamara

https://twitter.com/MlMcNamaraTD/status/1370352381083455492

I especially like this pint (which I pointed to yesterday)

https://twitter.com/MlMcNamaraTD/status/1370353671586918401

https://twitter.com/MlMcNamaraTD/status/1370354661832724484

if you had even a dozen more mcnamara's in the dail I can assure you chomedome nolans cough would be well and truly softened

Monster249

hynesie08 wrote: »

https://mobile.twitter.com/explore/tabs/trending

That's worldwide trending, not trending in Ireland.

acequion

TonyMaloney wrote: »

Ok, so you're saying that not having functioning education & health systems isn't a priority for you?

That is truly mad. Don't talk to me about balance.

Come off it, you know full well that's not what I'm saying. But again you exemplify my points about one track thinking, thanks again :pac:

It's a tactic of agenda pushers to present their agenda in very black and white terms, as well as to twist the words of the opposing viewpoint in order to contort that viewpoint.

Again, doesn't wash! I've made my points very clearly and have no intention of repeating them to those who are deaf to all but their own agenda.

Graham

TonyMaloney wrote: »

Or do you want them to concoct some convoluted algorytm that distills the huge number of factors that impact their decisions into something you can read?

I think there's a misconception that there's a single magic number of cases that will trigger the lowering of restrictions to the next level and that NPHET just don't want to share it with us.

It's understandable given the emphasis that's been put on case numbers over the last year.

I can't imagine the reality is anything like that simplistic. There's more likely to be dozens of variables taken into account when decisions are made and that's not something that can be easily communicated.

Case number can really only give us an indication whether we're broadly heading in the right/wrong direction and at what speed.

landofthetree

The Irish Plant Contractors Association (IPCA) is concerned that thousands of skilled machine operators are being targeted, saying up to six British firms are now stepping up advertising campaigns.

It believes about 2,500 people who were working in Ireland have already accepted positions and that the trend threatens to undermine Irish building projects.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/british-recruitment-drive-for-builders-sparks-fear-of-exodus-1.4508053

The consequences of the harshest lockdown in Europe.

the kelt

Graham wrote: »

I think there's a misconception that there's a single magic number of cases that will trigger the lowering of restrictions to the next level and that NPHET just don't want to share it with us.

It's understandable given the emphasis that's been put on case numbers over the last year.

I can't imagine the reality is anything like that simplistic. There's more likely to be dozens of variables taken into account when decisions are made and that's not something that can be easily communicated.

Case number can really only give us an indication whether we're broadly heading in the right/wrong direction and at what speed.

So we couldnt do something like this then?

https://www.dw.com/en/coronavirus-germany-extends-lockdown-with-plan-to-relax-restrictions/a-56763824