COVID-19: Vaccine and testing procedures Megathread Part 3 - Read OP

stefanovich

josip wrote: »

Did we buy or lease (m)any of the ultra cold fridges for the Pfizer vaccine?


https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/pfizer-vaccine-no-longer-needs-to-be-stored-at-ultra-low-temperatures-data-1.4489678

Sorry all the money was spent on a printer.

doublejobbing 2

Stark wrote: »

Under promise and over deliver I hope. Revised estimates from Denmark and Sweden have everyone vaccinated by end of June and they're on the same EU supply schedule as us so end of July at worst does sound realistic to me.

https://twitter.com/LeoVaradkar/status/1363616787514933250


Leo again promoting a million people per month from April onwards yet I've never heard the September date be revised backwards? And surely the young and able bodied receiving a ingle shot means we can have some normality back while they wait the 21- 28 days for their second?

At 100,000 from next week that's, by his promise, at least 400,000 individuals in March (I'm assuming this means 1st time recipients, rather than 2nd shots). As per the IT by Feb 18th 205,000 people have received at least one jab, which from what I gather generally offers good protection for at least a few weeks.

Unless I'm reading it wrong:

April 1st: 605,000 individuals full or partially done
May 1st: 1.6 million
June 1st: 2.6 million
July 1st: 3.6 million. Effectively every adult in the Republic fully or partially done (will obviously be lower what with vaccine skeptics not taking it).

By some stage the Johnson vaccine will be out which is a one shot one am I right?

Jury is still out on whether children need this yet from what I gather?

If we are likely to be hitting nearly 3.6 million individuals by July wtf is with this September timeline? Why when we have figures like this are we still dilly dallying and saying you might get a beer garden if you're good?

Melanchthon

Micky 32 wrote: »

Encouraging words from Helen McEntee this morning :

“Government wants to ensure that this is the last lockdown and that society can be reopened in a safe and phased way.”

Maybe I am just being negative but I wouldn't view that as a positive as it's signalling that this time they will be very slow at removing each lockdown measure.

josip

doublejobbing 2 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/LeoVaradkar/status/1363616787514933250


Leo again promoting a million people per month from April onwards yet I've never heard the September date be revised backwards? And surely the young and able bodied receiving a ingle shot means we can have some normality back while they wait the 21- 28 days for their second?

At 100,000 from next week that's, by his promise, at least 400,000 individuals in March (I'm assuming this means 1st time recipients, rather than 2nd shots). As per the IT by Feb 18th 205,000 people have received at least one jab, which from what I gather generally offers good protection for at least a few weeks.

Unless I'm reading it wrong:

April 1st: 605,000 individuals full or partially done
May 1st: 1.6 million
June 1st: 2.6 million
July 1st: 3.6 million. Effectively every adult in the Republic (will obviously be lower what with vaccine skeptics not taking it).

By some stage the Johnson vaccine will be out which is a one shot one am I right?

Jury is still out on whether children need this yet from what I gather?

If we are likely to be hitting nearly 3.6 million individuals by July wtf is with this September timeline?

Most of those April - June vaccinations will be 'half' vaccinations as they'll require 2 doses.
So 500,000 people fully vaccinated each month.

PhoenixParker

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josip wrote: »

Most of those April - June vaccinations will be 'half' vaccinations as they'll require 2 doses.
So 500,000 people fully vaccinated each month.

Not quite. AZ is on a 12 week interval so there'll be very few AZ second doses in the April-June window. Johnson & Johnson is a single dose and will be coming on stream too. It won't be 500k 1st doses, without doing the maths it'll probably be 600k-800k first doses/month.

is_that_so

doublejobbing 2 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/LeoVaradkar/status/1363616787514933250


Leo again promoting a million people per month from April onwards yet I've never heard the September date be revised backwards? And surely the young and able bodied receiving a ingle shot means we can have some normality back while they wait the 21- 28 days for their second?

At 100,000 from next week that's, by his promise, at least 400,000 individuals in March (I'm assuming this means 1st time recipients, rather than 2nd shots). As per the IT by Feb 18th 205,000 people have received at least one jab, which from what I gather generally offers good protection for at least a few weeks.

Unless I'm reading it wrong:

April 1st: 605,000 individuals full or partially done
May 1st: 1.6 million
June 1st: 2.6 million
July 1st: 3.6 million. Effectively every adult in the Republic fully or partially done (will obviously be lower what with vaccine skeptics not taking it).

By some stage the Johnson vaccine will be out which is a one shot one am I right?

Jury is still out on whether children need this yet from what I gather?

If we are likely to be hitting nearly 3.6 million individuals by July wtf is with this September timeline? Why when we have figures like this are we still dilly dallying and saying you might get a beer garden if you're good?

We don't have those supplies yet nor J&J approved. I actually prefer our approach to projections than a lot of countries with their sun, moon and the stars promise by June. I reckon our projections will revise when we get into that 1m+ a month supply.

Ronald Franz

Icantthinkof1 wrote: »

The constant negativity about the AZ vaccine is getting really tiring- even when there’s good news about it preventing hospitalisations (94%) there’s a ya, but...
Which I don’t see the same of when there’s positive news released about the Pfizer’s/ Moderna vaccine

Well, rightly or wrongly some countries have refused to give clearance for Astra zeneca.

There is a possibility when it comes to vaccine passports that people with AZ will have a limited amount of countries they can travel to.
Are some business going to have a standard of vaccine requirement for service?
If there are people vaccinated at 91% efficiency are they going to allow lower levels.

BigMo1

What's best guess as to when J&J will become available?

is_that_so

BigMo1 wrote: »

What's best guess as to when J&J will become available?

If approved, provisionally from April 1 - no joke!

seamus

josip wrote: »

Most of those April - June vaccinations will be 'half' vaccinations as they'll require 2 doses.
So 500,000 people fully vaccinated each month.

On top of the ~500,000 that should be fully vaccinated by the end of March.

Which means that around 50% of the adult population should be done by the end of June. The remaining 50% will be offered the vaccine on a fairly open basis, with the aim of nearly everyone being done by September (depending on uptake obviously).

This is all still broadly in line with the timelines that were floated in early January, and despite all the wailing and noise between now and then, we're still on track.

eoinbn

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Or the AZ could be better......

Maybe. However that would go against all the other evidences that Pfizer/BioNtech's vaccine promote a stronger immune response.
The authors of the study also said it would be wrong to compare the results as it wasn't a like for like comparison.

Still it is great results for both, especially for AZ/Oxford in light of all the negative press it has received recently.

doublejobbing 2

josip wrote: »

Most of those April - June vaccinations will be 'half' vaccinations as they'll require 2 doses.
So 500,000 people fully vaccinated each month.

But there will be some one shot vaccines by then. And people under 60 are already at little to no risk, with one vaccine in them I struggle to see how they need any more protecting.

If the IT article and what Leo said are accurate, everyone who wants the vaccine would be fully or partially done by early July. With completion within 28 days from that.

The goalposts seem to have shifted from don't overwhelm the hospitals in March 2020 to protect the elderly and vulnerable to, well, even though there are enough vaccines done whereby the hospitals will never be strained with it and the elderly are fully vaccinated, we still need restrictions?

Baffling stuff.

Unlike the UK their concern is not optimism.

doublejobbing 2

Personally wondering what excuse MM* will be using to slither out of embarrassing Brussels by refusing to take any excess stock the UK offers us come May or thereabouts. And the worst part? Like leaving the border open at Christmas (and in general) he will be allowed get away with it.


*: a mod earlier ordered me to stop referring to him by the name he is more widely known to the public by. I always thought it was a bit childish until about three hours into the vote counting last year when he without an ounce of self awareness, pride or integrity, offered himself on a plate to FG after touring the country for the previous six weeks banging on about how the public were tired of FG and wanted change and he would not join them in any circumstance. Didn't even have the decency to pretend he was left with no other option.

Never has anybody had a more appropriate nickname given to them.

charlie14

doublejobbing 2 wrote: »

Personally wondering what excuse MM* will be using to slither out of embarrassing Brussels by refusing to take any excess stock the UK offers us come May or thereabouts. And the worst part? Like leaving the border open at Christmas (and in general) he will be allowed get away with it.


*: a mod earlier ordered me to stop referring to him by the name he is more widely known to the public by. I always thought it was a bit childish until about three hours into the vote counting last year when he without an ounce of self awareness, pride or integrity, offered himself on a plate to FG after touring the country for the previous six weeks banging on about how the public were tired of FG and wanted change and he would not join them in any circumstance. Didn't even have the decency to pretend he was left with no other option.

Never has anybody had a more appropriate nickname given to them.

Off topic, but when it came to no other options there was a pair of them in the situation.

hynesie08

doublejobbing 2 wrote: »

Personally wondering what excuse MM* will be using to slither out of embarrassing Brussels by refusing to take any excess stock the UK offers us come May or thereabouts. And the worst part? Like leaving the border open at Christmas (and in general) he will be allowed get away with it.

What extra stock will the UK have by May?

doublejobbing 2

hynesie08 wrote: »

What extra stock will the UK have by May?

It has been previously floated that the UK would be open to giving us extra stock if or when they are finished, or at least giving us some sort of preference to the rest of the EU re distribution.

The three regional managers of the Dublin branch of the Brussels Empire will, of course, turn this down if or when offered, as it only highlights what an utter shambles the EU has made of this and strengthens what anybody with a mental age over 9 always knew, that Brexit would be a roaring success for the UK.

D.Q

I'm getting the sense you may have some issues with the government/EU. There seems to be an entire bag of chips on your shoulder.

Skygord

VonLuck wrote: »

Is there a resource for the current vaccination programme including figures for doses? It seems like information is fed to the public in dribs and drabs but it all gets lost after a short while. I know it's a constantly changing thing, but would be good to know what the current projections are.

There's a daily HSE slide here: https://www.hse.ie/eng/services/news/newsfeatures/covid19-updates/integrated-information-service-vaccination-programme-dashboard.html

Sconsey

doublejobbing 2 wrote: »

It has been previously floated that the UK would be open to giving us extra stock if or when they are finished, or at least giving us some sort of preference to the rest of the EU re distribution.

The three regional managers of the Dublin branch of the Brussels Empire will, of course, turn this down if or when offered, as it only highlights what an utter shambles the EU has made of this and strengthens what anybody with a mental age over 9 always knew, that Brexit would be a roaring success for the UK.

Really hard to take anything you say about vaccines seriously, that massive political chip on you shoulder is weighing you down.

hynesie08

doublejobbing 2 wrote: »

It has been previously floated that the UK would be open to giving us extra stock if or when they are finished, or at least giving us some sort of preference to the rest of the EU re distribution.

The three regional managers of the Dublin branch of the Brussels Empire will, of course, turn this down if or when offered, as it only highlights what an utter shambles the EU has made of this and strengthens what anybody with a mental age over 9 always knew, that Brexit would be a roaring success for the UK.

First dose offered to all by July 31st
12 weeks between vaccination
Second dose by halloween.

Ireland due to have everyone done by September.

Why would we take vaccines 6 weeks after we've finished vaccinating, when we'll have our own excess?

irishlad.

Just shy of 69,000 done from Monday to Friday of last week. Looks like that target of 81,000 will be reached and broken.

People should not be doubting this rollout, we will be right up there at the top of the rollout numbers in March/April. I'm very hopeful here.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1cUZy6AMCwuA2zhtRuKK7cqMVgmhdDsGsZrFWJTkw9DY/edit#gid=0#


Edit: Great to see someone decided to crack open some Moderna as well :pac:

Sweet.Science

irishlad. wrote: »

Just shy of 69,000 done from Monday to Friday of last week. Looks like that target of 81,000 will be reached and broken.

People should not be doubting this rollout, we will be right up there at the top of the rollout numbers in March/April. I'm very hopeful here.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1cUZy6AMCwuA2zhtRuKK7cqMVgmhdDsGsZrFWJTkw9DY/edit#gid=0

Agreed . Thats why the pessimism from Government seems strange

Great s/sheet by the way

irishlad.

Sweet.Science wrote: »

Agreed . Thats why the pessimism from Government seems strange

Great s/sheet by the way

It has to be to put down expectation, the timelines they are coming out with are just too negative to be true

ACitizenErased

Not sure if anyone else spotted this but Denmark are planning to have all people who want to have vaccinations to be done by June. That's some going.
https://www.thelocal.dk/20210215/denmark-adjusts-expected-date-for-completion-of-covid-19-vaccination-programme

PhoenixParker

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Not sure if anyone else spotted this but Denmark are planning to have all people who want to have vaccinations to be done by June. That's some going.
https://www.thelocal.dk/20210215/denmark-adjusts-expected-date-for-completion-of-covid-19-vaccination-programme

We pretty much will too. At least for first doses.

We'll have distributed well over 4 million doses by then. Some will be J&J which is one dose, alot will be AZ which has a 12 week dose interval ( anyone dosed after mid April won't need a second dose in Q2) and even Pfizer & Moderna will have those with a first dose in June having a second dose after the end of Q2.

By the end of June we're looking at 60-80% of the adult population with at least 1 dose I'd say.

zuutroy

And with the numbers coming out about reduction in hospitalisations even after one dose, there's a decent chance it will be all over bar the shouting a few weeks after that.

hynesie08

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Not sure if anyone else spotted this but Denmark are planning to have all people who want to have vaccinations to be done by June. That's some going.
https://www.thelocal.dk/20210215/denmark-adjusts-expected-date-for-completion-of-covid-19-vaccination-programme

I have them at about a week ahead of us (they started the 27th, we started the 29th, but they went full steam ahead) so either their maths are off, or we're seriously under counting.

Klonker

PhoenixParker wrote: »

We pretty much will too. At least for first doses.

We'll have distributed well over 4 million doses by then. Some will be J&J which is one dose, alot will be AZ which has a 12 week dose interval ( anyone dosed after mid April won't need a second dose in Q2) and even Pfizer & Moderna will have those with a first dose in June having a second dose after the end of Q2.

By the end of June we're looking at 60-80% of the adult population with at least 1 dose I'd say.

600k expected from J&J in quarter 2 going by this RTE article (paragraphs 11 & 12).

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0220/1198359-vaccine-roll-out/

hynesie08

Prof MacCraith explained that by last Monday evening, 94% of all available vaccines had been administered, rising to 99% on Tuesday and all were given out by Wednesday, with more supply arriving in on Wednesday night.

"It's working that close to the edge," he said, "rest assured it's moving as fast as we can".

Can we copy and paste this every time someone says we're not doing enough.

Deathofcool

Interesting news on the SA variant. Someone give the news to RTE and Sam McConkey quick

https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1363551912021221377