COVID-19: Vaccine and testing procedures Megathread Part 3 - Read OP

Cork2021

Hi lads anyone for a lads holiday in Israel?

https://twitter.com/irishexaminer/status/1363377799122231300?s=21

Sky King

Cork2021 wrote: »

Hi lads anyone for a lads holiday in Israel?

https://twitter.com/irishexaminer/status/1363377799122231300?s=21

A round of shots, wha!?

is_that_so

IrishStuff09 wrote: »

Has there been any discussion around doing the same here? The provisional allocation list does mention doing so if the vaccines are proven to have an impact on transmission (which the Pfizer/BNT one certainly seems to have!)



Fantastic news nonetheless

It was mentioned as an option by Karina Butler a good few week back but it's unlikely to be considered until after we complete groups 1-9.

is_that_so

NIMAN wrote: »

If that figure of 5,500 people flying into the country from 'hotspots' is true, it shows how much of a balls the Gov is making of getting quarantine up and running.

There are over 13,000 Brazilians actually living here. It is far more likely the 2,000 are coming back after a break at home, something they are legally entitled to do.

Happydays2020

is_that_so wrote: »

It was mentioned as an option by Karina Butler a good few week back but it's unlikely to be considered until after we complete groups 1-9.

It will be an interesting one politically. Particularly as 34 - 55 do the heavy lifting on paying tax (plus leaving whole families in vaccinated).

is_that_so

Happydays2020 wrote: »

It will be an interesting one politically. Particularly as 34 - 55 do the heavy lifting on paying tax (plus leaving whole families in vaccinated).

The rationale of the idea is because as a group they are the most socially active, will come in contact with a lot more people and if infected potentially infect a lot more. If we are up to 250K jabs a week from April and with J&J in the mix it probably won't affect the slightly older cohorts by more than a couple of weeks if they go for it.

Happydays2020

is_that_so wrote: »

The rationale of the idea is because as a group they are the most socially active, will come in contact with a lot more people and if infected potentially infect a lot more. If we are up to 250K jabs a week from April and with J&J in the mix it probably won't affect the slightly older cohorts by more than a couple of weeks if they go for it.

I understand the rationale. I just think if they take that decision, it will have some kick back. And they will need to link it with greater reopening.

No reason why pubs and restaurants should be opened up to over 70’s from 1 June.

pconn062

VG31 wrote: »

The way they're talking about it we could have 100% of the country vaccinated but still have lockdown-like restrictions because of "variants". Midsummer before hospitality opens? That's complete bull****.

It's like they're trying to prove the conspiracy theorists right by coming out with crap like this.

They are warning us what's coming down the line. I know people in this thread are very excited about the vaccine but I see no major change in restrictions coming even after the majority of us are vaccinated. By that stage we will be heading back into the winter and there will be a "winter surge" and restrictions will remain in place in some format. Vaccines are brilliant but I personally don't believe they are the panacea everyone is hoping for, based off the current government soundings.

That's why I've always said I couldn't care less about the daily numbers that get vaccinated, the only important part is what affect the daily vaccinated numbers have on restrictions. Otherwise they are just a way for the government and HSE to pat themselves on the back.

is_that_so

Happydays2020 wrote: »

I understand the rationale. I just think if they take that decision, it will have some kick back. And they will need to link it with greater reopening.

No reason why pubs and restaurants should be opened up to over 70’s from 1 June.

Oh, that's not a route they will take at all - it's unworkable, never mind the huge flak they'd get for even talking about it. How many in that age group regularly even go out?

is_that_so

pconn062 wrote: »

They are warning us what's coming down the line. I know people in this thread are very excited about the vaccine but I see no major change in restrictions coming even after the majority of us are vaccinated. By that stage we will be heading back into the winter and there will be a "winter surge" and restrictions will remain in place in some format. Vaccines are brilliant but I personally don't believe they are the panacea everyone is hoping for, based off the current government soundings.

That's why I've always said I couldn't care less about the daily numbers that get vaccinated, the only important part is what affect the daily vaccinated numbers have on restrictions. Otherwise they are just a way for the government and HSE to pat themselves on the back.

Government soundings are just that and like the rest of us completely clueless about even May. Israel and the UK will give us the data. The virus will still probably with us but if, as seems the case with all the vaccines so far, there are no severe cases nor hospitalisations, who cares.

Happydays2020

is_that_so wrote: »

Oh, that's not a route they will take at all - it's unworkable, never mind the huge flak they'd get for even talking about it. How many in that age group regularly even go out?

Plenty of people in that age group do go out. Many of that age group travel. And they have had a pretty ****ty 12 months particularly the lock down last year when they were told to cocoon. They are the age group who have not seen family in many cases and the age group with the greatest fear from this virus.

I don’t think it is a suggestion that will be taken seriously but I think there is a broader point that they need to properly link vaccinations with reopening - at the moment the messaging is very bla bla.

is_that_so

Happydays2020 wrote: »

Plenty of people in that age group do go out. Many of that age group travel. And they have had a pretty ****ty 12 months particularly the lock down last year when they were told to cocoon. They are the age group who have not seen family in many cases and the age group with the greatest fear from this virus.

I don’t think it is a suggestion that will be taken seriously but I think there is a broader point that they need to properly link vaccinations with reopening - at the moment the messaging is very bla bla.

It is a problem they have brought on themselves, largely because of a determination to produce soundbytes. The absence of any kind of a plan is not helping their case. Vaccinations are also not their purview yet some of them show the same level of expertise on them as we do. I don't think we can link them to anything without data, especially not while the next variant is ready to set policy.

Stark

Happydays2020 wrote: »

Plenty of people in that age group do go out. Many of that age group travel. And they have had a pretty ****ty 12 months particularly the lock down last year when they were told to cocoon. They are the age group who have not seen family in many cases and the age group with the greatest fear from this virus.

I don’t think it is a suggestion that will be taken seriously but I think there is a broader point that they need to properly link vaccinations with reopening - at the moment the messaging is very bla bla.

People at very low risk of covid complications had to stay locked up all year to protect the over-70s. Can't see how it could be acceptable from the fairness point of view for the over-70s to start going out and having fun while the rest of the population continues to stay locked up.

Happydays2020

Stark wrote: »

People at very low risk of covid complications had to stay locked up all year to protect the over-70s. Can't see how it could be acceptable from the fairness point of view for the over-70s to start going out and having fun while the rest of the population continues to stay locked up.

To be fair those over 70’s are our parents and grandparents. I would see it as a great result if they can have fun again. Also means fun is on the way for the rest of us too.

Stark

Sure I want to see my parents have fun too (kind of ridiculous that at the moment they can't even play a game of golf as a couple, not interacting with other people). But do so in an equitable manner. If the vulnerable are vaccinated and out having fun, there's no reason to continue having the non-vulnerable locked up.

Happydays2020

Stark wrote: »

Sure I want to see my parents have fun too (kind of ridiculous that at the moment they can't even play a game of golf as a couple, not interacting with other people). But do so in an equitable manner. If the vulnerable are vaccinated and out having fun, there's no reason to continue having the non-vulnerable locked up.

Indeed that will be where that logically goes.

dominatinMC

pconn062 wrote: »

They are warning us what's coming down the line. I know people in this thread are very excited about the vaccine but I see no major change in restrictions coming even after the majority of us are vaccinated. By that stage we will be heading back into the winter and there will be a "winter surge" and restrictions will remain in place in some format. Vaccines are brilliant but I personally don't believe they are the panacea everyone is hoping for, based off the current government soundings.

That's why I've always said I couldn't care less about the daily numbers that get vaccinated, the only important part is what affect the daily vaccinated numbers have on restrictions. Otherwise they are just a way for the government and HSE to pat themselves on the back.

What's coming down the line?

And where is this surge coming from?
Oh, let me guess, another one of these variants? (Which the vaccines work against)

Turtwig

Stark wrote: »

Sure I want to see my parents have fun too. But do so in an equitable manner. If the vulnerable are vaccinated and out having fun, there's no reason to continue having the non-vulnerable locked up.

There's far more non vulnerable people than there is vulnerable. The question then is how does the lower risk of hospitalisation for the low risk offset with the fact their population pool is by far the greatest? You could still up end with a large burden on the health system.

PhoenixParker

Turtwig wrote: »

There's far more non vulnerable people than there is vulnerable. The question then is how does the lower risk of hospitalisation for the low risk offset with the fact their population pool is by far the greatest? You could still up end with a large burden on the health system.

Yip. Roughly 50% of those hospitalised were in the under 65 age group. Deaths are much lower in that group because they tend to pull through but unfortunately it's not a case of let covid rip once the over 70s are vaccinated.

Micky 32

dominatinMC wrote: »

What's coming down the line?

And where is this surge coming from?
Oh, let me guess, another one of these variants? (Which the vaccines work against)

I have stopped enganging with clueless lockdown fanatics misery merchants. They get a buzz and a tingle posting that bolloxogy when they see people getting “excited “ about the vaccines.
They clearly haven’t seen the recent data or just choose to ignore it like it doesn’t exist.

gw80

dominatinMC wrote: »

What's coming down the line?

And where is this surge coming from?
Oh, let me guess, another one of these variants? (Which the vaccines work against)

Super covid, that's what's coming down the line, and then when that has ravaged us it will spawn super duper covid, then we really are ****ed.

Apogee

Apogee wrote: »

Wednesday's numbers - increase of 17,148. 16,315 recorded as administered on Wednesday. But they updated/increased the numbers for Tuesday as well (from 11908 to 12053) and also for Monday (from 8064 to 8168) and for other days prior. Hence the discrepancy in comparing daily Totals vs. the numbers recorded for individual days.

Thursday's numbers: 15,182 administered.

Harry Palmr

dominatinMC wrote: »

Oh, let me guess, another one of these variants? (Which the vaccines work against)

Is this a proven?

pconn062

Micky 32 wrote: »

I have stopped enganging with clueless lockdown fanatics misery merchants. They get a buzz and a tingle posting that bolloxogy when they see people getting “excited “ about the vaccines.
They clearly haven’t seen the recent data or just choose to ignore it like it doesn’t exist.

Lockdown fanatic? You may think you're being clever with your tired cliched insults but you couldn't miss the point anymore if it hit you on the head. My life and business has been destroyed by these lockdowns. My point was not that I think vaccines won't work, its that the government are too slow and too afraid to lift the restrictions in line with the vaccine roll out. Where is the plan that reopen the country. We are currently vaccinating the most vunerable in society so surely there must be some plan as to how restrictions will ease along side this? Or is this too much to ask from our government?

Marhay70

pconn062 wrote: »

Lockdown fanatic? You may think you're being clever with your tired cliched insults but you couldn't miss the point anymore if it hit you on the head. My life and business has been destroyed by these lockdowns. My point was not that I think vaccines won't work, its that the government are too slow and too afraid to lift the restrictions in line with the vaccine roll out. Where is the plan that reopen the country. We are currently vaccinating the most vunerable in society so surely there must be some plan as to how restrictions will ease along side this? Or is this too much to ask from our government?

Boris Johnson is under pressure from some of his own MPs to lift restrictions, due to the UK's progress on the vaccine front, or explain why not. The statement should come in the next few days and will probably give some indication as to the general thinking in the area.
Governments all over Europe are more or less singing from the same hymn sheet when it comes to attitudes towards variants etc., so I would say our lot's response won't be too far away from what the UK does when we are in a similar position.

Micky 32

pconn062 wrote: »

Lockdown fanatic? You may think you're being clever with your tired cliched insults but you couldn't miss the point anymore if it hit you on the head. My life and business has been destroyed by these lockdowns. My point was not that I think vaccines won't work, its that the government are too slow and too afraid to lift the restrictions in line with the vaccine roll out. Where is the plan that reopen the country. We are currently vaccinating the most vunerable in society so surely there must be some plan as to how restrictions will ease along side this? Or is this too much to ask from our government?

You are still talking through your hoop. Have you not seen the recent data from Israel? Have a look or do you just still want to ignore it.

If you think your lockdowns will continue once the population is vaccinated you’re living in fantasy land.

conor_mc

pconn062 wrote: »

Lockdown fanatic? You may think you're being clever with your tired cliched insults but you couldn't miss the point anymore if it hit you on the head. My life and business has been destroyed by these lockdowns. My point was not that I think vaccines won't work, its that the government are too slow and too afraid to lift the restrictions in line with the vaccine roll out. Where is the plan that reopen the country. We are currently vaccinating the most vunerable in society so surely there must be some plan as to how restrictions will ease along side this? Or is this too much to ask from our government?

The reality is that disclosing the Christmas plan too early led to the mother of all infection spikes. The govt would be idiots to release another plan yet and make themselves hostage to fortune.

Frankly, I think they’re actively lowering expectations now because they see this as the last push, but also the last major opportunity to over-deliver in the public’s eyes.

Russman

Marhay70 wrote: »

Boris Johnson is under pressure from some of his own MPs to lift restrictions, due to the UK's progress on the vaccine front, or explain why not. The statement should come in the next few days and will probably give some indication as to the general thinking in the area.
Governments all over Europe are more or less singing from the same hymn sheet when it comes to attitudes towards variants etc., so I would say our lot's response won't be too far away from what the UK does when we are in a similar position.

To be honest, I wouldn’t be taking the views of a few conservative MPs in the current UK parliament as any sort of barometer for what should be done, rightly or wrongly.

On another point, the 1m vaccines per month from April - is this including or excluding the potential 600k J&J doses that might arrive ?

ninebeanrows

No reason why we can’t have a the over 50s and medically vulnerable inoculated by June.

Britain being 6-8 weeks ahead of us could well prove to be a blessing for the government as they will know what moves to make and what ones not too.

We will be in a holding pattern and watching brief to see how things unfold across the Irish Sea when they start to re open.

Marhay70

Russman wrote: »

To be honest, I wouldn’t be taking the views of a few conservative MPs in the current UK parliament as any sort of barometer for what should be done, rightly or wrongly.

On another point, the 1m vaccines per month from April - is this including or excluding the potential 600k J&J doses that might arrive ?

You might not but Johnson will and like governments all over the Western democracies he will be under pressure to deliver.