COVID-19: Vaccine and testing procedures Megathread Part 3 - Read OP

BringBackMick

Should Martin join up with Arlene and go cap in hand to Boris and ask for 2 million doses of AZ? would enable quicker reopening of travel in the common area and enable quicker reopening of these islands?

Arlene being very generous here and saying she will assist us

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-56314949

MerlinSouthDub

BringBackMick wrote: »

Should Martin join up with Arlene and go cap in hand to Boris and ask for 2 million doses of AZ? would enable quicker reopening of travel in the common area and enable quicker reopening of these islands?

Arlene being very generous here and saying she will assist us

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-56314949

Isn't she great altogether. Not trying to rub our noses in it at all at all.

SushiLover31

Turtwig wrote: »

Has the detailed list of criteria for cohort 4 been published yet?

I'd like to know this too. I think I'm on this due to medication I take but cannot confirm this without bothering my gp.

stephenjmcd

SushiLover31 wrote: »

I'd like to know this too. I think I'm on this due to medication I take but cannot confirm this without bothering my gp.

Already published, but as we know it's a parallel rollout but this is the list.

https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1364314580588130314?s=19

PCeeeee

BringBackMick wrote: »

Should Martin join up with Arlene and go cap in hand to Boris and ask for 2 million doses of AZ? would enable quicker reopening of travel in the common area and enable quicker reopening of these islands?

Arlene being very generous here and saying she will assist us

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-56314949

Can he ask without putting his non existant cap in his hand do you think?

Perhaps he can make a logical case based on our shared island? Or does everything have to be hyperbole.

Turtwig

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Already published, but as we know it's a parallel rollout but this is the list.

https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1364314580588130314?s=19

There is surely something more detailed than that?

Deeper Blue

Deathofcool wrote: »

A nice table summary here. 100% protection from deaths in all trials is outstanding

https://twitter.com/DrNeilStone/status/1368498649521610755?s=19

Yet you've got people saying we'll be under restrictions forever :pac:

braychelsea

braychelsea wrote: »

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/covid-in-ireland-high-risk-patients-must-wait-for-vaccine-notice-msfxj8ng9

Dr Colm Henry said the complex task of drafting cohort four of the national vaccination programme would not be completed before the end of March because of the need to contact GPs, hospital consultants and disability groups in order to identify those at most risk.

Example of perfect being the enemy of good

Should have been done months ago. We don't have any central registers so it was easily foreseeable that this would require a bit of effort.

Micky 32

Deeper Blue wrote: »

Yet you've got people saying we'll be under restrictions forever :pac:

Yeah apparently there will be lockdowns next winter because of the flu .

ACitizenErased

****ing RTE
https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/1368666700724469762?s=21

jackryan34

ACitizenErased wrote: »

****ing RTE

Why are RTE wrong to report that?

Micky 32

ACitizenErased wrote: »

****ing RTE
https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/1368666700724469762?s=21

I honestly wouldn’t worry about it. It’s unlikey vaccine related and will be forgotten about in a few days, just like the last time.

ACitizenErased

jackryan34 wrote: »

Why are RTE wrong to report that?

Because it’s not a story. There’s no link between the deaths and the vaccine. Why is there a need to report?

Turtwig

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Because it’s not a story. There’s no link between the deaths and the vaccine. Why is there a need to report?

In this case I think it's only fair and proper that it is reported. Two individuals got severe clots. These individuals happened to be injected from the same batch of the vaccine. It could be coincidence. It could point to a faulty batch. It could be a random occurrence. It could be many things. I don't see why RTE shouldn't report this. They could have had a much scarier headline than the one they used. They didn't. So, I think RTE could be cut a little slack on this one.

Stheno

Turtwig wrote: »

There is surely something more detailed than that?

No. Thats it

Turtwig

Stheno wrote: »

No. Thats it

That's disappointing. I imagine GPs, consultants and patient advocacy groups are getting a lot of unnecessary contacts with queries over cohort 4 eligibility.

Deusexmachina

CrabRevolution wrote: »

Can you spell out the practicalities of this though? What does the government do to force these multinational giants to start producing vaccines here just for the Irish market?

Companies like pfizer have 100s of plants worldwide, yet still only manufacture the vaccine in a small number of them. If it was as simple as forcing them to retool every plant to make vaccines I'm sure every government would have tried it by now.

I am not suggesting 'force' and I didn't mean 'just for the Irish market'.

But maybe partner with/incentivise the Pharma companies. Money talks. Make a deal to manufacture under license. Be innovative. Do something.

iamwhoiam

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Because it’s not a story. There’s no link between the deaths and the vaccine. Why is there a need to report?

After 30 years of watching RTE 6 pm news religiously we decided last week not to watch it anymore . We watch the headlines on Virgin now and honestly I feel less tense in the evening now . I just got sick and tired of negativity and negative reporting on Rte .
Virgin news are factual without the woe and wailing

MerlinSouthDub

MerlinSouthDub wrote: »

Isn't she great altogether. Not trying to rub our noses in it at all at all.

Rubbing your nose in what? She is trying to protect NI. We are on a shared island, and Dublin's inability to secure vaccines from the EU, which has failed to secure vaccines itself, is going to delay the re-opening of Northern Ireland. The UK is going to have a surplus of vaccines, so it makes sense to give those vaccines to a country that shares a land border, and a CTA, with it. The EU might block it, but it's worth a try. The sooner we can get these two islands fully vaccinated the better. If you are anyone else has a problem taking a vaccine from the UK, then you can opt out, and wait for the EU to deliver. The rest of us can get on with our lives.

Deeper Blue wrote: »

Yet you've got people saying we'll be under restrictions forever :pac:

Lockdowns will be used as a mechanism to protect the HSE going forward, particularly during the winter months, but Covid restrictions will be lifted in the summer. Cases will be very low during that period, just like last year. MM has raised the topic of a lock down later in the year via the media already.

Charles Babbage

tara2k wrote: »

Rubbing your nose in what? She is trying to protect NI. We are on a shared island, and Dublin's inability to secure vaccines from the EU, which has failed to secure vaccines itself, is going to delay the re-opening of Northern Ireland. The UK is going to have a surplus of vaccines, so it makes sense to give those vaccines to a country that shares a land border, and a CTA, with it. The EU might block it, but it's worth a try. The sooner we can get these two islands fully vaccinated the better. If you are anyone else has a problem taking a vaccine from the UK, then you can opt out, and wait for the EU to deliver. The rest of us can get on with our lives.

When does she propose that these vaccines be delivered? If it is next week then of course that would help. If it in in June when the UK is finished then that is no real help as there will be plenty of vaccines then and the limitation will be deploying them to the population.

ACitizenErased

Arlene is playing for political points and to win sympathy, anyone who thinks otherwise is way too naive

Tippbhoy1

tara2k wrote: »

Rubbing your nose in what? She is trying to protect NI. We are on a shared island, and Dublin's inability to secure vaccines from the EU, which has failed to secure vaccines itself, is going to delay the re-opening of Northern Ireland. The UK is going to have a surplus of vaccines, so it makes sense to give those vaccines to a country that shares a land border, and a CTA, with it. The EU might block it, but it's worth a try. The sooner we can get these two islands fully vaccinated the better. If you are anyone else has a problem taking a vaccine from the UK, then you can opt out, and wait for the EU to deliver. The rest of us can get on with our lives.



Lockdowns will be used as a mechanism to protect the HSE going forward, particularly during the winter months, but Covid restrictions will be lifted in the summer. Cases will be very low during that period, just like last year. MM has raised the topic of a lock down later in the year via the media already.

I wouldn’t see the EU blocking anything the UK would give us, we can source vaccines wherever we want if someone will give them to us. This would have to be from the British government however, not from AZ. I don’t think they’d be too happy about it however, as we (Ireland and the EU) face down the UK regarding Brexit and the NI protocol.

Regardless, I’m wondering if the UK will have a surplus of vaccines any time soon. Their vaccine rollout has got a bit bumpy with supply the past two weeks despite having two factories and they’ve just signed up for additional supply from India. Maybe the Uk factories are having the same issue as the European factories and their drive at the start was due to stockpiles. All speculation however on my part. My sense is if the EU approve the SII for AZ supply, coupled with being ahead of the Uk in the queue for the J&J vaccine, we won’t need AZ from the UK by the time they’ve any surplus. Now if they decide to give us vaccine before they have finished themselves, that is a whole other story.

Wolf359f

Deusexmachina wrote: »

I am not suggesting 'force' and I didn't mean 'just for the Irish market'.

But maybe partner with/incentivise the Pharma companies. Money talks. Make a deal to manufacture under license. Be innovative. Do something.

Moderna would be the only manufacture you could potentially licence the vaccine.
J&J also, but that's not approved just yet.

Pfizer & AZ licence it from BionTech & Oxford.
If getting a licence was that easy, you would have a lot more countries investing in plants worldwide, but it seems its the manufactures doing that.

Wolf359f

Charles Babbage wrote: »

When does she propose that these vaccines be delivered? If it is next week then of course that would help. If it in in June when the UK is finished then that is no real help as there will be plenty of vaccines then and the limitation will be deploying them to the population.

You have to remember they are 21% into their end game of double doses for all the adult population. So all second doses by June is pretty optimistic.

Wolf359f

Tippbhoy1 wrote: »

I wouldn’t see the EU blocking anything the UK would give us, we can source vaccines wherever we want if someone will give them to us. This would have to be from the British government however, not from AZ. I don’t think they’d be too happy about it however, as we (Ireland and the EU) face down the UK regarding Brexit and the NI protocol.

Regardless, I’m wondering if the UK will have a surplus of vaccines any time soon. Their vaccine rollout has got a bit bumpy with supply the past two weeks despite having two factories and they’ve just signed up for additional supply from India. Maybe the Uk factories are having the same issue as the European factories and their drive at the start was due to stockpiles. All speculation however on my part. My sense is if the EU approve the SII for AZ supply, coupled with being ahead of the Uk in the queue for the J&J vaccine, we won’t need AZ from the UK by the time they’ve any surplus. Now if they decide to give us vaccine before they have finished themselves, that is a whole other story.

It's possible by the time the UK get the J&J vaccine, if they have all adults with their first dose, the J&J vaccine becomes useless to them. Unless they want to mix vaccines.

CrabRevolution

Deusexmachina wrote: »

I am not suggesting 'force' and I didn't mean 'just for the Irish market'.

But maybe partner with/incentivise the Pharma companies. Money talks. Make a deal to manufacture under license. Be innovative. Do something.

It's no exaggeration to say that in December the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine was possibly the most valuable substance on earth at the time, yet European production was still limited to one site in Belgium. If increasing supply is just a matter of licensing it out, I think it'd have been done multiple times over by now.

Russman

tara2k wrote: »

Rubbing your nose in what? She is trying to protect NI. We are on a shared island, and Dublin's inability to secure vaccines from the EU, which has failed to secure vaccines itself, is going to delay the re-opening of Northern Ireland. The UK is going to have a surplus of vaccines, so it makes sense to give those vaccines to a country that shares a land border, and a CTA, with it. The EU might block it, but it's worth a try. The sooner we can get these two islands fully vaccinated the better. If you are anyone else has a problem taking a vaccine from the UK, then you can opt out, and wait for the EU to deliver. The rest of us can get on with our lives.

Lockdowns will be used as a mechanism to protect the HSE going forward, particularly during the winter months, but Covid restrictions will be lifted in the summer. Cases will be very low during that period, just like last year. MM has raised the topic of a lock down later in the year via the media already.

We’re not sourcing vaccines from the EU.

Lockdowns won’t be used the protect the HSE going forward from anything other than the current COVID pandemic.

Russman

Russman wrote: »

Lockdowns won’t be used the protect the HSE going forward from anything other than the current COVID pandemic.

They will be. I'm going to bookmark this post for later on in the year. Keep an eye on MM etc in the media over the next few weeks.

User1998

It would make a lot of sense if the UK gave us even a small amount like 200,000 vaccines if we promised to administer them to people living in the border counties. It would be a win win, we get more people vaccinated and it would help stop the spread of covid in NI

User1998

User1998 wrote: »

It would make a lot of sense if the UK gave us even a small amount like 200,000 vaccines if we promised to administer them to people living in the border counties. It would be a win win, we get more people vaccinated and it would help stop the spread of covid in NI

Someone with some sense at last. Getting people vaccinated has to be P1.