COVID-19: Vaccine and testing procedures Megathread Part 3 - Read OP

brickster69

astrofool wrote: »

Do you want them to start blocking Pfizer shipments to the UK and implement a full export ban?

Up to them, but they would have to do it to every other country in the world. Seen as lots of Pfizers suppliers are from outside of the EU it would backfire if reciprocated.

timsey tiger

Gael23 wrote: »

The EU has blocked a shipment from leaving an AZ factory in Italy bound for Australia

Surely, that is Italy has blocked it?

brickster69

astrofool wrote: »

Liar:
https://www.researchprofessionalnews.com/rr-news-uk-universities-2020-7-brexit-funding-gap-for-oxford-s-covid-19-vaccine-institute/

"Responding to a question from Research Professional News on the impact of Brexit on vaccine development during a Science Media Centre briefing on 20 July, Hill said that while the Covid-19 vaccine did not rely on EU funding, the institute does rely heavily on funding from the European Commission."

Not lying at all. The EU never contributed towards the research of AZ. The Oxford vaccine was ringfenced under a totally different company. It may of contributed towards Oxford University in the past but once again the EU never contributed a penny towards R&D of the Oxford vaccine.

PCeeeee

brickster69 wrote: »

The EU never funded the vaccine for one penny. It just paid for some EU plants to expand production. Australia committed to purchase far earlier than the EU if it got approval or not.

We work in euro and cents here in Ireland Brickster.

timsey tiger

brickster69 wrote: »

The EU never funded the vaccine for one penny. It just paid for some EU plants to expand production. Australia committed to purchase far earlier than the EU if it got approval or not.

"just"

JacksonHeightsOwn

average_runner wrote: »

Suits Merkel for Von Der Leyen to screw up

Why, isn't she with the same party?

brickster69

timsey tiger wrote: »

"just"

Yes, they had to invest in the EU plants to build up capacity that was not available. That was part of the deal. If they never did that, they would not be able to get any vaccines at all otherwise.

Tippbhoy1

brickster69 wrote: »

Not lying at all. The EU never contributed towards the research of AZ. The Oxford vaccine was ringfenced under a totally different company. It may of contributed towards Oxford University in the past but once again the EU never contributed a penny towards R&D of the Oxford vaccine.

“Ringfenced” public funds, into a private company, for profit for individuals, who were originally working together, in a public facility, with partial funding from the EU. Then AZ, another private company who also took money from the EU to “just” upsize their private companies manufacturing capabilities, who are giving away the vaccine for “free” during the pandemic despite charging different prices for different countries, and using EU based and funded facilities to supply non EU countries and grow their business. It’s a bit like which bean in the tin made you fart.

brickster69

PCeeeee wrote: »

We work in euro and cents here in Ireland Brickster.

Sorry about that. " The EU never funded the vaccine for one cent towards R&D "

astrofool

brickster69 wrote: »

Sorry about that. " The EU never funded the vaccine for one cent towards R&D "

Again, that's a lie, the EU funded the Oxford vaccine institute, read the article.

eoinbn

astrofool wrote: »

Again, that's a lie, the EU funded the Oxford vaccine institute, read the article.

And the UK funded the EU.
The UK deserve credit for their funding of vaccines. The EU, and European countries, has been terrible in this regard.

PCeeeee

brickster69 wrote: »

Sorry about that. " The EU never funded the vaccine for one cent towards R&D "

Not at all Brickster it's good to have a UK view.

brickster69

astrofool wrote: »

Again, that's a lie, the EU funded the Oxford vaccine institute, read the article.

They funded Oxford University not the vaccine. Do you not get it yet ?

brickster69

PCeeeee wrote: »

Not at all Brickster it's good to have a UK view.

Of course why not. World wide web and all that

titan18

stephenjmcd wrote: »

And as has been explained on here numerous times, pharmaceutical companies aren't delivering additional orders to EU countries until the EU order itself is fulfilled.

We could order a few million extra Pfizer doses on our own for example and wouldn't get them delivered until end of year or later, by which time we'd already have enough.

Didn't Denmark get extra already due to other EU countries not taking up Pfizer vaccinee?

IRISHSPORTSGUY

NeuralNetwork wrote: »

The US blocked all vaccine exports, yet when Europe attempts to regulate them here, it’s suddenly behaving irrationally etc etc.

One could also argue that Australia is in no particular rush, having controlled the virus using other measures, while most of Europe has a dire need for vaccines immediately and is producing them domestically.

There is an element of vaccine nationalism, but I don’t honestly think either Australia or NZ are going to be struggling for supplies nor are they under any public health pressure.

You could argue it’s a very very wealthy country with almost no covid issues buying vaccines from a factory in one that had one of the worst outbreaks on the planet.

https://twitter.com/dangaristo/status/1361152703242637314

JTMan

Slightly funny but ethically dubious actions in this Economist article here (paywall) on how people have queue jumped worldwide to get the vaccine ...

- People lying about their age and no ID checked.
- Some private medical practices in the US have got hold of vaccines for their clients.
- “Vaccine tourism” - Some people are flying to the UAE for a vaccine.
- In the Philippines, some people are smuggling vaccines from China.
- Black market in Ukrainian for vaccines that are suspected to have come from Israel. €3,000 a pop to receive unauthorised jabs.
- Some people are just simply showing up at vaccine centres and are been given a vaccine.

astrofool

brickster69 wrote: »

They funded Oxford University not the vaccine. Do you not get it yet ?

Do you not get it? The entire institute was EU funded, building, staff, equipment, all existing because of the EU. It says it in the article.

brickster69

astrofool wrote: »

Do you not get it? The entire institute was EU funded, building, staff, equipment, all existing because of the EU. It says it in the article.

Why should Oxford not get funding from the EU considering the UK paid massive amounts towards the EU budget. Do you think the research on SAR's that it had done as well as many other diseases gave no benefit to the EU as a whole or was just a waste of money.

astrofool

brickster69 wrote: »

Why should Oxford not get funding from the EU considering the UK paid massive amounts towards the EU budget. Do you think the research that it had done in the past gave any benefit to the EU as a whole.

You said the EU didn't pay a cent of it, they did, they funded it or it wouldn't exist. The UK government could have chose to fund it independent of the EU at the time if they so wished (just as it could have gone it's own way on medicines, and passport colours).

ixoy

IRISHSPORTSGUY wrote: »

https://twitter.com/dangaristo/status/1361152703242637314

Yep, I was reading a forum there and a Canadian was looking at how Canada was having difficulty sourcing a vaccine because the US was letting nothing out. Everyone is in it for themselves, even long term partners like these two (somewhat similar to the UK and Ireland).

brickster69

astrofool wrote: »

You said the EU didn't pay a cent of it, they did, they funded it or it wouldn't exist. The UK government could have chose to fund it independent of the EU at the time if they so wished (just as it could have gone it's own way on medicines, and passport colours).

Why should any UK university not get funding when 20% of the EU budget was paid by the UK. How many EU universities were kept open by UK funds? All that was happening was that they were getting some of it's money back. EU were very weak on R&D for vaccines.

https://twitter.com/KellerZoe/status/1366890515124289537

astrofool

brickster69 wrote: »

Why should any UK university not get funding when 20% of the EU budget was paid by the UK. How many EU universities were kept open by UK funds? All that was happening was that they were getting some of it's money back. EU were very weak on R&D for vaccines.

You
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They did.

Your statement was a lie and should be retracted.

brickster69

I said the EU never funded the vaccine. Which it never, just accept it.

Le Bruise

T’was inevitable that this thread would get more argumentative once the logistics/politics of vaccines took over from the magnificent science of it all!!

PCeeeee

Le Bruise wrote: »

T’was inevitable that this thread would get more argumentative once the logistics/politics of vaccines took over from the magnificent science of it all!!

I liked it better before.

astrofool

brickster69 wrote: »

I said the EU never funded the vaccine. Which it never, just accept it.

The EU funded the institute that developed the vaccine, no EU, no institute, no vaccine.

This isn't opinion, this is fact.

More facts:
https://cherwell.org/2018/02/02/oxfords-dependence-on-eu-funds-revealed/
"Oxford’s dependence on EU funds revealed"

https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/brexit-news/martin-mcquillan-on-science-and-uk-government-90054
"The government has been lauding the Jenner Institute at the University of Oxford, where researchers are working with AstraZeneca on a vaccine to combat Covid-19. In late July, the Institute's director Adrian Hill, told Sophie Inge of Research Professional News that, 'across the programmes at the Jenner Institute—and there are more than 12 vaccines in clinical development now – the European Commission has probably been our largest funder over the past five years until now'.

The EU is not directly funding the coronavirus vaccine, but it has been key to developing the Institute's capacity to do that work. 'So that's going to leave a gap and we are working hard to try to fill that, but it's not easy, ' said Hill."

https://www.ox.ac.uk/news/2017-03-16-oxford-marks-tenth-anniversary-european-research-council
"Professor Adrian Hill, Director of the Jenner Institute, who has received funding to look at the genetic basis of differences in response to vaccines."

https://www.ox.ac.uk/about/international-oxford/oxfords-global-links/europe/oxford-and-eu
"The EU facilitates our participation in pan-European research collaborations; enables us to contribute to the development of EU research policy to the benefit of the UK as a whole; and provides us with access to EU research funding (of some £66m in 2014/15). All this serves our vision of the University of Oxford as a global hub for intellectual engagement."

timsey tiger

PCeeeee wrote: »

I liked it better before.

The shouting is because we have something to shout about. We didn't before, it is actually a good thing.

brickster69

astrofool wrote: »

The EU funded the institute that developed the vaccine, no EU, no institute, no vaccine.

This isn't opinion, this is fact.

More facts:
https://cherwell.org/2018/02/02/oxfords-dependence-on-eu-funds-revealed/
"Oxford’s dependence on EU funds revealed"

https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/brexit-news/martin-mcquillan-on-science-and-uk-government-90054
"The government has been lauding the Jenner Institute at the University of Oxford, where researchers are working with AstraZeneca on a vaccine to combat Covid-19. In late July, the Institute's director Adrian Hill, told Sophie Inge of Research Professional News that, 'across the programmes at the Jenner Institute—and there are more than 12 vaccines in clinical development now – the European Commission has probably been our largest funder over the past five years until now'.

The EU is not directly funding the coronavirus vaccine, but it has been key to developing the Institute's capacity to do that work. 'So that's going to leave a gap and we are working hard to try to fill that, but it's not easy, ' said Hill."

https://www.ox.ac.uk/news/2017-03-16-oxford-marks-tenth-anniversary-european-research-council
"Professor Adrian Hill, Director of the Jenner Institute, who has received funding to look at the genetic basis of differences in response to vaccines."

https://www.ox.ac.uk/about/international-oxford/oxfords-global-links/europe/oxford-and-eu
"The EU facilitates our participation in pan-European research collaborations; enables us to contribute to the development of EU research policy to the benefit of the UK as a whole; and provides us with access to EU research funding (of some £66m in 2014/15). All this serves our vision of the University of Oxford as a global hub for intellectual engagement."

Where do you think the EU got the money from, it buys nothing and sells nothing, hence creates no income.

The EU has no money. The UK put in £3 and got back £1, so it was just recycled money that Oxford received. Now if you are talking about Warsaw University yes it was kept afloat by other countries money because Poland does not contribute anything financially towards the EU budget.

User142

Boards.ie was not where I was expecting to reread the Brexiteer take on the vaccines situation I was seeing on twitter all day.