astrofool wrote: » Do you want them to start blocking Pfizer shipments to the UK and implement a full export ban?
Gael23 wrote: » The EU has blocked a shipment from leaving an AZ factory in Italy bound for Australia
astrofool wrote: » Liar:https://www.researchprofessionalnews.com/rr-news-uk-universities-2020-7-brexit-funding-gap-for-oxford-s-covid-19-vaccine-institute/ "Responding to a question from Research Professional News on the impact of Brexit on vaccine development during a Science Media Centre briefing on 20 July, Hill said that while the Covid-19 vaccine did not rely on EU funding, the institute does rely heavily on funding from the European Commission."
brickster69 wrote: » The EU never funded the vaccine for one penny. It just paid for some EU plants to expand production. Australia committed to purchase far earlier than the EU if it got approval or not.
average_runner wrote: » Suits Merkel for Von Der Leyen to screw up
timsey tiger wrote: » "just"
brickster69 wrote: » Not lying at all. The EU never contributed towards the research of AZ. The Oxford vaccine was ringfenced under a totally different company. It may of contributed towards Oxford University in the past but once again the EU never contributed a penny towards R&D of the Oxford vaccine.
PCeeeee wrote: » We work in euro and cents here in Ireland Brickster.
brickster69 wrote: » Sorry about that. " The EU never funded the vaccine for one cent towards R&D "
astrofool wrote: » Again, that's a lie, the EU funded the Oxford vaccine institute, read the article.
PCeeeee wrote: » Not at all Brickster it's good to have a UK view.
stephenjmcd wrote: » And as has been explained on here numerous times, pharmaceutical companies aren't delivering additional orders to EU countries until the EU order itself is fulfilled. We could order a few million extra Pfizer doses on our own for example and wouldn't get them delivered until end of year or later, by which time we'd already have enough.
NeuralNetwork wrote: » The US blocked all vaccine exports, yet when Europe attempts to regulate them here, it’s suddenly behaving irrationally etc etc. One could also argue that Australia is in no particular rush, having controlled the virus using other measures, while most of Europe has a dire need for vaccines immediately and is producing them domestically. There is an element of vaccine nationalism, but I don’t honestly think either Australia or NZ are going to be struggling for supplies nor are they under any public health pressure. You could argue it’s a very very wealthy country with almost no covid issues buying vaccines from a factory in one that had one of the worst outbreaks on the planet.
brickster69 wrote: » They funded Oxford University not the vaccine. Do you not get it yet ?
astrofool wrote: » Do you not get it? The entire institute was EU funded, building, staff, equipment, all existing because of the EU. It says it in the article.
brickster69 wrote: » Why should Oxford not get funding from the EU considering the UK paid massive amounts towards the EU budget. Do you think the research that it had done in the past gave any benefit to the EU as a whole.
IRISHSPORTSGUY wrote: » https://twitter.com/dangaristo/status/1361152703242637314
astrofool wrote: » You said the EU didn't pay a cent of it, they did, they funded it or it wouldn't exist. The UK government could have chose to fund it independent of the EU at the time if they so wished (just as it could have gone it's own way on medicines, and passport colours).
brickster69 wrote: » Why should any UK university not get funding when 20% of the EU budget was paid by the UK. How many EU universities were kept open by UK funds? All that was happening was that they were getting some of it's money back. EU were very weak on R&D for vaccines.
Le Bruise wrote: » T’was inevitable that this thread would get more argumentative once the logistics/politics of vaccines took over from the magnificent science of it all!!
brickster69 wrote: » I said the EU never funded the vaccine. Which it never, just accept it.
PCeeeee wrote: » I liked it better before.
astrofool wrote: » The EU funded the institute that developed the vaccine, no EU, no institute, no vaccine. This isn't opinion, this is fact. More facts:https://cherwell.org/2018/02/02/oxfords-dependence-on-eu-funds-revealed/ "Oxford’s dependence on EU funds revealed"https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/brexit-news/martin-mcquillan-on-science-and-uk-government-90054 "The government has been lauding the Jenner Institute at the University of Oxford, where researchers are working with AstraZeneca on a vaccine to combat Covid-19. In late July, the Institute's director Adrian Hill, told Sophie Inge of Research Professional News that, 'across the programmes at the Jenner Institute—and there are more than 12 vaccines in clinical development now – the European Commission has probably been our largest funder over the past five years until now'. The EU is not directly funding the coronavirus vaccine, but it has been key to developing the Institute's capacity to do that work. 'So that's going to leave a gap and we are working hard to try to fill that, but it's not easy, ' said Hill."https://www.ox.ac.uk/news/2017-03-16-oxford-marks-tenth-anniversary-european-research-council "Professor Adrian Hill, Director of the Jenner Institute, who has received funding to look at the genetic basis of differences in response to vaccines."https://www.ox.ac.uk/about/international-oxford/oxfords-global-links/europe/oxford-and-eu "The EU facilitates our participation in pan-European research collaborations; enables us to contribute to the development of EU research policy to the benefit of the UK as a whole; and provides us with access to EU research funding (of some £66m in 2014/15). All this serves our vision of the University of Oxford as a global hub for intellectual engagement."
