Are we there yet? Your second Travel Megathread (threadbans in OP}

kilns

kilns wrote: »

I wonder what will the situation be with EU citizens who are fully vaccinated, will they have to have PCR tests and quarantine before Ireland implements the green pass, that would be farcical

No different to a vaccinated Irish person going there until they implement it depending on the country. Some countries are still restricting non essential inward travel.

M_Murphy57

M_Murphy57 wrote: »

No. Intercounty travel is allowed and once they are in the north they are subject only to the law in the 6 counties. The gards cant stop or fine them.

Does he mean they are traveling from northern ireland to here, back to northern ireland from here or just that they are originally from northern Ireland but will be traveling from Dublin airport from a southern address?

kilns

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

No different to a vaccinated Irish person going there until they implement it depending on the country. Some countries are still restricting non essential inward travel.

Can only speak for the countries i know very well, Germany, France and Switzerland and if you enter from Ireland there are no restrictions i.e. quarantine

Marcusm

Meself wrote: »

My parents are hoping to fly to Spain in mid July to private house over there. Both fully vaccinated.

They are both from NI. Will they be subject to the fine if stopped by Gardai ? Could they be turned back ?

Do you mean that they are ordinarily resident in NI. If that is the case then they are not currently subject to the €2k fine for outbound travel via an Irish airport.

audman13

bubblypop wrote: »

Of course, why would you think not?

I thought myself it would be fine but a few people said you can only travel there for essential purposes and not for a two night hotel stay.

audman13

M_Murphy57 wrote: »

Stephen donnelly clarified recently that "inter county" means the entire island of ireland.

Thank you. I knew we could cross the border but was unsure if we could book a two night hotel stay.

stargazer 68

Hi Folks
Apologies if it has been already explained but I am a bit confused! Travelling from Dublin to Frankfurt and on to Canada. I think we need a PCR test for entering Germany but their website is a bit confusing - outside Schengen to a Schengen area or no Schengen area etc. Can anyone advise me in plain speak please.

Claiomh

kilns wrote: »

Can only speak for the countries i know very well, Germany, France and Switzerland and if you enter from Ireland there are no restrictions i.e. quarantine

Thats not quite true - if entering Germany from a risk area in Ireland (basically Dublin and Leinster) you must produce a negative test result, proof of vaccination, or proof of recovery. Upon entry, you must go immediately to your destination and quarantine for 10 days (can be left with a negative day 5 test result). As rates go down this is likely to change (fingers crossed anyway!), but currently its not as restriction free as you may think.

https://dublin.diplo.de/ie-de/aktuelles/-/2318078?openAccordionId=item-2416986-4-panel

pc7

Just heard on headlines AerLingus laying off more staff in Shannon, pressure will have to start mounting on the Government to come up with a plan for aviation reopening.

kilns

kilns wrote: »

Can only speak for the countries i know very well, Germany, France and Switzerland and if you enter from Ireland there are no restrictions i.e. quarantine

Spain too for quarantine but you still need PCR test so again, countries are still restricting vaccinated people

Marcusm

Marcusm wrote: »

Do you mean that they are ordinarily resident in NI. If that is the case then they are not currently subject to the €2k fine for outbound travel via an Irish airport.

When did that change?

Just saw this, it's old but Jesus wept. No wonder people don't trust journalism with this ****e:

https://www.dublinlive.ie/news/dublin-news/dublin-airport-ireland-travel-fines-19813679

Chris_5339762

pc7 wrote: »

Just heard on headlines AerLingus laying off more staff in Shannon, pressure will have to start mounting on the Government to come up with a plan for aviation reopening.

Eamon Ryan won't fund aviation. Simple as.

Donald Trump

Chris_5339762 wrote: »

Eamon Ryan won't fund aviation. Simple as.

Aer Lingus is a wholly privately owned enterprise. The days of it being the national carrier have long gone.

Corholio

Swaine wrote: »

Arrived a few hours ago, no problems at all. Sitting outside a beautiful pub having a pint.

Worlds away from the fear and hysteria crap going on across the channel.

Did you fly from Belfast to London? Any checks on Belfast side, with essential/non essential etc?

pc7

Chris_5339762 wrote: »

Eamon Ryan won't fund aviation. Simple as.

Not even funding them, but an aim to have a plan for reopening the skies to save jobs, FF/FG will start getting very twitchy about this I think.

Hilzabeaatch

Claiomh wrote: »

Thats not quite true - if entering Germany from a risk area in Ireland (basically Dublin and Leinster) you must produce a negative test result, proof of vaccination, or proof of recovery. Upon entry, you must go immediately to your destination and quarantine for 10 days (can be left with a negative day 5 test result). As rates go down this is likely to change (fingers crossed anyway!), but currently its not as restriction free as you may think.

https://dublin.diplo.de/ie-de/aktuelles/-/2318078?openAccordionId=item-2416986-4-panel

This has already changed. No quarantine needed from normal risk areas but you need to show a recent negative antigen test on arrival. That is unless you are fully vaccinated or have recovered. There are other rules for high risk areas and variant areas.

Micky 32

pc7 wrote: »

Just heard on headlines AerLingus laying off more staff in Shannon, pressure will have to start mounting on the Government to come up with a plan for aviation reopening.

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/amp.rte.ie/amp/1222358/

Hilzabeaatch

Claiomh wrote: »

Thats not quite true - if entering Germany from a risk area in Ireland (basically Dublin and Leinster) you must produce a negative test result, proof of vaccination, or proof of recovery. Upon entry, you must go immediately to your destination and quarantine for 10 days (can be left with a negative day 5 test result). As rates go down this is likely to change (fingers crossed anyway!), but currently its not as restriction free as you may think.

https://dublin.diplo.de/ie-de/aktuelles/-/2318078?openAccordionId=item-2416986-4-panel

stargazer 68 wrote: »

Hi Folks
Apologies if it has been already explained but I am a bit confused! Travelling from Dublin to Frankfurt and on to Canada. I think we need a PCR test for entering Germany but their website is a bit confusing - outside Schengen to a Schengen area or no Schengen area etc. Can anyone advise me in plain speak please.

My understanding is if you are traveling from a non schengen country to a non schengen country and you are staying air side in frankfurt you don't need a test or online registration for Germany. But you will surely need one for Canada anyway?

Feria40

Micky 32 wrote: »

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/amp.rte.ie/amp/1222358/

Hopefully this will help focus some minds in government..

gozunda

Swaine wrote: »

Arrived a few hours ago, no problems at all. Sitting outside a beautiful pub having a pint.

Worlds away from the fear and hysteria crap going on across the channel.

Sure all this covid stufc is "crap". Nothing to see anywhere ..

Except the "fear and hysteria" where you are - otherwise genuine concern (whichever you decide it is) regarding the rapid spread of the Indian variant there to the point that further rollback of UK restrictions are now in doubt.

Looks like London is now the area with most cases

https://www.itv.com/news/london/2021-05-14/covid-london-has-highest-number-of-indian-variant-cases-in-england

Anyway heres your "fear and hysteria" according the government.uk website...

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/new-measures-to-boost-response-to-the-b16172-variant

But sure what the feq would they know?

Just like the lads insisting there was no reason they shouldn't go skiing last year and went anyway and brought us all back a little present ...

Claiomh

Hilzabeaatch wrote: »

This has already changed. No quarantine needed from normal risk areas but you need to show a recent negative antigen test on arrival. That is unless you are fully vaccinated or have recovered. There are other rules for high risk areas and variant areas.

Where did you see that change in rules? That would be a very welcome development. Looking at the website of auswertiges amt it still states:

https://www.auswaertiges-amt.de/en/coronavirus/2317268

"A requirement to self-isolate is in place in Germany pursuant to the Federal Ministry of Health’s Ordinance on Coronavirus Entry Regulations of 12 May 2021.

Under the new Ordinance on Coronavirus Entry Regulations, persons entering Germany following a stay in a risk area, high incidence area or area of variant of concern in the last ten days must proceed directly to their destination following entry and
self-isolate there for ten days (quarantine). After a stay in an area of variant of concern, travellers must self-isolate for 14 days rather than 10 days."


There is a slight variation in the German and English texts regarding regulations for risk areas and high incidence areas, but I dont see anything which states no need for a quarantine if you have been in a risk area, unless entering Germany by land or sea.

munchkin_utd

Feria40 wrote: »

Hopefully this will help focus some minds in government..

Compare it to Italy

Mr Draghis government has opened travel this week, ceremonially declaring the tourist season open and then went on record that he is welcoming tourists to Italy and wants to see as many come as possible.


So... if you are abroad, do you go to Italy where they are proactively looking for you to come, or go to Ireland where you risk getting thrown in detention at an airport hotel for up to 2 weeks for having the wrong vaccine or wrong test, or just Stephen Donnely or Tony making a last minute change landing you in detention despite your best efforts.

gozunda

Meself wrote: »

My parents are hoping to fly to Spain in mid July to private house over there. Both fully vaccinated.

They are both from NI. Will they be subject to the fine if stopped by Gardai ? Could they be turned back ?

Atm the biggest issue is restrictions on non residents in Spain and permitted travelling between different regions.

Now all that could change as could the fine here

But not to be difficult but I reckon you're going to need a crystal ball to work out what will be possible in either Spain or Ireland in July

Valhallapt

Swaine wrote: »

Arrived a few hours ago, no problems at all. Sitting outside a beautiful pub having a pint.

Worlds away from the fear and hysteria crap going on across the channel.

So jealous. Tempted to book a little city break to London next weekend.

Tenzor07

Feria40 wrote: »

Hopefully this will help focus some minds in government..

All I've seen from this Government for the past 15 months is "Don't Travel"... every time Hulahoop was on the TV/media it was the same message avoid travel, no holidays abroad..
Now that they managed to push through MHQ and with no plan for Aviation, no bail out for AerLingus then sadly this will decimate our national carrier... Ryanair will only run limited numbers of aircraft to ensure they're at least 80% full and not what happened all last summer on many routes which was 20 - 30 % full..

Ireland is that little rock on the wrong side of Brexit Britain.. a lot of people from the continent will even wonder if Ireland is in the EU, but probably won't care as to fly here will be expensive and time consuming due to lack of flights.

Hilzabeaatch

Claiomh wrote: »

Where did you see that change in rules? That would be a very welcome development. Looking at the website of auswertiges amt it still states:

https://www.auswaertiges-amt.de/en/coronavirus/2317268

"A requirement to self-isolate is in place in Germany pursuant to the Federal Ministry of Health’s Ordinance on Coronavirus Entry Regulations of 12 May 2021.

Under the new Ordinance on Coronavirus Entry Regulations, persons entering Germany following a stay in a risk area, high incidence area or area of variant of concern in the last ten days must proceed directly to their destination following entry and
self-isolate there for ten days (quarantine). After a stay in an area of variant of concern, travellers must self-isolate for 14 days rather than 10 days."


There is a slight variation in the German and English texts regarding regulations for risk areas and high incidence areas, but I dont see anything which states no need for a quarantine if you have been in a risk area, unless entering Germany by land or sea.

It's a bit buried in that site. See this paragraph:

The requirement to quarantine applies to arrivals from risk areas and high incidence areas until proof of full vaccination, recovery from an infection or a negative test result is submitted via the entry portal of the Federal Republic of Germany (www.einreiseanmeldung.de)

But this media report explains it. Basically you are required to quarantine but you can immediately free yourself if you arrived from a risk area with a recent negative antigen test.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.dw.com/en/germany-classifies-uk-coronavirus-risk-region/a-57532159

That report is about the UK but the info applies to all risk areas of which ireland used to be one. I actually think ireland might be off the risk list? Or at least most of it is.
I should note you need a negative antigen test to get on a plane to Germany from anywhere.

mmclo

Hilzabeaatch wrote: »

It's a bit buried in that site. See this paragraph:

The requirement to quarantine applies to arrivals from risk areas and high incidence areas until proof of full vaccination, recovery from an infection or a negative test result is submitted via the entry portal of the Federal Republic of Germany (www.einreiseanmeldung.de)

But this media report explains it. Basically you are required to quarantine but you can immediately free yourself if you arrived from a risk area with a recent negative antigen test.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.dw.com/en/germany-classifies-uk-coronavirus-risk-region/a-57532159

That report is about the UK but the info applies to all risk areas of which ireland is one.

Aren't they using the ECDC maps to determine risk, and they used to list the risk regions but I may be out of date

EDIT: yes think I follow but they don't make it easy!

Hulk Hands

pc7 wrote: »

Just heard on headlines AerLingus laying off more staff in Shannon, pressure will have to start mounting on the Government to come up with a plan for aviation reopening.

This is horrific for the region. Parts of the west are entirely dependent on tourism. There is now a shiny new motorway from North Galway to Shannon and no AL hub at the end of it. Not to mention the direct and indirect job losses

MHQ and Covid zero advocates now coming out of the woodwork pretending they were against it or aiming to deflect. The entire situation would make you sick to your stomach

Tazz T

Feria40 wrote: »

Hopefully this will help focus some minds in government..

Not a chance. This was a cert months ago. Too many zero-coviders urging them on supported by sensationalist doom-mongering media (not one of them working in any of the numerous affected industries). Will take years to get Shannon back to normal, if at all.

Wallander

gozunda wrote: »

Sure all this covid stufc is "crap". Nothing to see anywhere ..

Except the "fear and hysteria" where you are - otherwise genuine concern (whichever you decide it is) regarding the rapid spread of the Indian variant there to the point that further rollback of UK restrictions are now in doubt.

Looks like London is now the area with most cases

https://www.itv.com/news/london/2021-05-14/covid-london-has-highest-number-of-indian-variant-cases-in-england

Anyway heres your "fear and hysteria" according the government.uk website...

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/new-measures-to-boost-response-to-the-b16172-variant

But sure what the feq would they know?

Just like the lads insisting there was no reason they shouldn't go skiing last year and went anyway and brought us all back a little present ...

Wales, which I think is a little ahead of the rest of the UK on vaccinations, had just over 30 Covid cases today with over 60% Ireland's population size. 7-day average of cases below 50.



https://www.rhyljournal.co.uk/news/19310633.just-three-new-cases-covid-recorded-north-wales-today--/


There must be some nice walks around there at this time of year - just don't forget to quarantine when you come back!