Are we there yet? Your second Travel Megathread (threadbans in OP}

Chuck Norris 2021

Chuck Norris 2021 wrote: »

And there is no sign of that law being removed. The law is no longer proportional. We have all seen the responses from the EU. It's getting pretty frustrating at this stage. I know that they have the right to drag ass with the green cert, and when they do they can still impose their own entry rules, but keeping us prisoner for no good reason is getting a bit tiring.

Which law in particular?

Chuck Norris 2021

bubblypop wrote: »

Which law in particular?

S.I. No. 207/2021- Health Act 1947 (Section 31A - Temporary Restrictions) (Covid-19) (No. 2) Regulations 2021

Part 2

Temporary restrictions – national measures

Restrictions of movement of applicable persons in relation to travel from place of residence to port or airport

Oh yeah, well the law only lasts till a certain date, so you do know.

LeeroyJ.

Now they're extending it into August earliest. My Brother and my best friend are getting married in August and September.

Can't tell them if my wife and I are attending or not and can't tell them if i will join the stag as they live in Germany and the Netherlands.
They think I just don't want to attend at this stage because they can't wrap their heads around the draconian laws and restrictions we have here.
Not to mention that they've all been vaccinated or have their appointments for first dose already. Great feeling all together.

Chuck Norris 2021

bubblypop wrote: »

Oh yeah, well the law only lasts till a certain date, so you do know.

Yup, June 2nd. And before that it was May 10th, and before that it was May 4th.............and on June second it could become June 26th, and so on and so on.....

Chuck Norris 2021

Chuck Norris 2021 wrote: »

Yup, June 2nd. And before that it was May 10th, and before that it was May 4th.............and on June second it could become June 26th, and so on and so on.....

Yep. But it has an end date, so you do know when it will stop.
They can bring in another one, but it's still for a set period of time.

namloc1980

bubblypop wrote: »

Oh yeah, well the law only lasts till a certain date, so you do know.

And that date has been extended numerous times and almost certainly will be extended again at the next date of 2nd June. There's no debate on this, no scrutiny, no consultation - just Stephen Donnelly signing a piece of paper and that's it.

eltonyio

bubblypop wrote: »

Oh yeah, well the law only lasts till a certain date, so you do know.

Public messaging from the Tanaiste and associated speculation is important, because last time this law was due to expire, it was extended on the day of expiry (or day prior, can't remember).

Chuck Norris 2021

LeeroyJ. wrote: »

Now they're extending it into August earliest. My Brother and my best friend are getting married in August and September. Can't tell them if we're coming or not and can't tell them if i will join the stag as they live in Germany and the Netherlands.
They think I just don't want to come at this stage because they can't wrap their heads around the draconian laws and restrictions we have here.
Not to mention that they've all been vaccinated or have their appointments for first dose already. Great feeling.

Now while there is confusion about when it'll end, no one has said it will be extended until August. AT present all we have is misinformation from Leo. It's a wait and see what happens in June.

Theboinkmaster

LeeroyJ. wrote: »

Now they're extending it into August earliest.

Do you have a link to that being confirmed? I do not think that is the case - isn't it up for renewal early June so everything after that is just speculation.

GT89

I've a summer holiday booked for July and I'm going. If the 2k fine is still there in July I will fly to and from Belfast. It's a load of nonsense I'm planning to go to Italy which only requires a negative antigen test whereas here we require a PCR test. Italy is already open to tourists from other EU countries Ireland really needs to be the same.

Theboinkmaster

eltonyio wrote: »

Public messaging from the Tanaiste and associated speculation is important, because last time this law was due to expire, it was extended on the day of expiry (or day prior, can't remember).

I assume Michael O'Leary is doing lots of back channel lobbying as well as other interest groups...

namloc1980

namloc1980 wrote: »

And that date has been extended numerous times and almost certainly will be extended again at the next date of 2nd June. There's no debate on this, no scrutiny, no consultation - just Stephen Donnelly signing a piece of paper and that's it.

The law will stop in June, they may have another but that will also have an end date.
I wouldn't presume it will be extended this time......

Tenzor07

LeeroyJ. wrote: »

Now they're extending it into August earliest. My Brother and my best friend are getting married in August and September. Can't tell them if we're coming or not and can't tell them if i will join the stag as they live in Germany and the Netherlands.
They think I just don't want to come at this stage because they can't wrap their heads around the draconian laws and restrictions we have here.
Not to mention that they've all been vaccinated or have their appointments for first dose already. Great feeling.

You're right, it's the extreme caution approach that NPHET/FFFG have been using since the start...
I mean whats the point in being fully vaccinated now and not being able to travel for another 2 months?
If they want to completely eliminate the up to 15% of Irish adults who won't take the jab then it's time to let the harshest restrictions on freedoms expire by the start of July.

namloc1980

Theboinkmaster wrote: »

Do you have a link to that being confirmed? I do not think that is the case - isn't it up for renewal early June so everything after that is just speculation.

That's exactly what people said about the last renewal date in early May and Donnelly quietly signed an extension to the 2nd of June. It's going to be extended again undoubtedly.

Chuck Norris 2021

bubblypop wrote: »

Yep. But it has an end date, so you do know when it will stop.
They can bring in another one, but it's still for a set period of time.

Can you please explain? I thought they could just extend it again? Genuinely curious here.

Theboinkmaster

GT89 wrote: »

I've a summer holiday booked for July and I'm going. If the 2k fine is still there in July I will fly to and from Belfast. It's a load of nonsense I'm planning to go to Italy which only requires a negative antigen test whereas here we require a PCR test. Italy is already open to tourists from other EU countries Ireland really needs to be the same.

I agree 100% - we are going to Portugal with our 2 small kids in late August for 2 weeks, Can't wait.

namloc1980

bubblypop wrote: »

The law will stop in June, they may have another but that will also have an end date.

So what? I'm struggling to understand what you are saying? Nobody can make plans on the basis of shur they might or might not extend it again.

Tenzor07

Theboinkmaster wrote: »

I assume Michael O'Leary is doing lots of back channel lobbying as well as other interest groups...

NPHET/FFFG don't give a Fig roll what O'Leary thinks.

Theboinkmaster

namloc1980 wrote: »

That's exactly what people said about the last renewal date in early May and Donnelly quietly signed an extension to the 2nd of June. It's going to be extended again undoubtedly.

You do not know that for sure also that OP was referring to August.

If it's renewed in June it may only be until start of July and then ended.

A month is a very long time in this pandemic, a lot will have changed by July.

namloc1980

Chuck Norris 2021 wrote: »

Can you please explain? I thought they could just extend it again? Genuinely curious here.

All it takes is Stephen Donnelly to sign an extension of the regulation. That's it. No scrutiny, no debate in the Dail. It's what has happened the last number of times. It gets quietly extended at the last minute with no discussion.

Chuck Norris 2021

Chuck Norris 2021 wrote: »

Can you please explain? I thought they could just extend it again? Genuinely curious here.

Ah it's the same thing. Extend it by signing new SI basically

Theboinkmaster

Tenzor07 wrote: »

NPHET/FFFG don't give a Fig roll what O'Leary thinks.

That's naïve - FF/FG do care what special interest/lobby groups think about them if it impacts re-election.

Chuck Norris 2021

Tenzor07 wrote: »

NPHET/FFFG don't give a Fig roll what O'Leary thinks.

They would if he told them he'd start axing routes, leaving us perish on our little rock.

josip

For anyone getting vaccinated soon and hoping to travel before Ireland (eventually) complies with the EU Green Cert initiative, it would be worthwhile asking for you DOB to be noted on your cert beside your name.

If, as expected, our lot have to be dragged kicking and screaming into Green Cert compliance in August, then the HSE vaccination cert MIGHT be sufficient for some countries/carriers in the interim. eg. Finnair at the moment would accept it.

https://www.finnair.com/ie-en/flight-information/travel-updates/travelling-to-finland-2166346

Theboinkmaster

namloc1980 wrote: »

All it takes is Stephen Donnelly to sign an extension of the regulation. That's it. No scrutiny, no debate in the Dail. It's what has happened the last number of times. It gets quietly extended at the last minute with no discussion.

That will change though - there will be more media scrutiniy and public interest in it once primary schools close end of June and Irish families see the rest of Europe on their holibops.

Government aren't going to get away with quietly extending it from start of July.

namloc1980

Theboinkmaster wrote: »

You do not know that for sure also that OP was referring to August.

If it's renewed in June it may only be until start of July and then ended.

A month is a very long time in this pandemic, a lot will have changed by July.

That's what people said a few weeks ago :pac:

There is zero chance they will throw open the door on the 2nd of June - if they do I'll be shocked. The mood music is August and even then that's only because the government will be forced into it by the EU green cert.

namloc1980

namloc1980 wrote: »

So what? I'm struggling to understand what you are saying? Nobody can make plans on the basis of shur they might or might not extend it again.

No nobody can make plans, but isn't that the point with a pandemic, nobody can make plans.
It is what it is.

Tenzor07

Theboinkmaster wrote: »

That's naïve - FF/FG do care what special interest/lobby groups think about them if it impacts re-election.

I'm not being funny here but have you read any Government plan for the restart of Aviation in Ireland?

Chuck Norris 2021

bubblypop wrote: »

Ah it's the same thing. Extend it by signing new SI basically

Ok. So they can just extend it. So we're back in the waiting room until June 2nd. While I would not take Leo's comments as this being extended to August, it's still frustrating sitting around waiting for it to happen. :rolleyes:. In your opinion, do you think it'll end June 2nd, when internal tourism reopens?