Are we there yet? Your second Travel Megathread (threadbans in OP}

Lumen

Ray Donovan wrote: »

I'm actually starting to believe the government are going to keep renewing the fine until the date the travel cert comes into force. Or am I going mad?

I dunno, but it has occurred to me (belatedly, cos I'm slow) that there's diminishing returns in a travel cert for going round the EU if all the EU countries are rolling out vaccinations at the same rate.

It probably seemed like a great idea when France and Germany were in the middle of their nth waves, but those are ebbing away now. By the end of July, which is the latest that the cert can be introduced, every country in the EU should have similar (negligible) rates of infection and near herd immunity.

embraer170

Marcusm wrote: »

It is about a newly purchased house which I haven’t seen since the sale closed on which a reasonably expensive renovation project is being undertaken without the ability to inspect. I would classify that as “family business” or similar and would love to have clarity. My absence is certainly costing me more than €2k but my issue is reputation all; I cannot afford to pay a fine or engage in the judicial process to have it removed. There’s only so much you can do on video walk through a etc. The project manager is good but unsupervised they would already have spent many times the fine in unnecessary overages.

Seems like you have a legitimate reason to travel anyway, so I am not sure why you are worried about a fine.

Valhallapt

Lumen wrote: »

I dunno, but it has occurred to me (belatedly, cos I'm slow) that there's diminishing returns in a travel cert for going round the EU if all the EU countries are rolling out vaccinations at the same rate.

It probably seemed like a great idea when France and Germany were in the middle of their nth waves, but those are ebbing away now. By the end of July, which is the latest that the cert can be introduced, every country in the EU should have similar (negligible) rates of infection and near herd immunity.

Spot on, by august the EU will have reached herd immunity, certs will be too late by then. Much like Ireland’s MHQ

Valhallapt

I presume if I have no one to mind my children, I can bring them with me on my essential travels??

gozunda

normanoffside wrote: »

Yep, the UK already let us go there with no test or quarantine rules.
We put a fine on Irish people going there and make Brits do 14 days home quarantine if they come here.

The restrictions are all on the Irish side as usual.

Considering that there's some 66 million of them and 4.9 million of us...


With very very few countries being placed on the UKs green list - I reckon Ireland could become extremely popular.

No harm some restrictions ...

Ray Donovan

Belgium an EU country that we have on our MHQ list will open it's indoor bars at least a month before us. But hey follow the science..... https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0511/1220884-coronavirus-global/

fm

Ray Donovan wrote: »

Just as a follow up to this, I had a serious bit of a back and forth with a FF TD today who is based in the Mid-West via email.

He was of the opinion that the travel fine is a correct and suitable measure and is what is needed for public health. (He also told me he was a keen supporter of Shannon Airport - Go Figure eh?) And he also told me the travel fine was in line with what was happening in other European countries.

Needless to say I pulled him up on these points (I asked him how did MHQ tie in with his support for Shannon Airport for example). The long and the short of it for him was the government was working hard on implementing the EU travel cert and he mentioded June so I asked him:

"Are you suggesting that Ireland will have the the EU Digital Cert up and running by June 30th?"

to which he replied

"End of June is certainly the timeline all EU country's are working towards"

Needless to say I wouldnt hold my breath. But it was very interesting to note the difference between the FG and FF TD's that got back to me. Chalk and Cheese.

I'm actually starting to believe the government are going to keep renewing the fine until the date the travel cert comes into force. Or am I going mad?

I was thinking that aswell,it would explain when you hear "travel won't be possible until later in the summer

vasis1

Does anyone know how early it's possible to go through boarding pass scan/security check if the flight is around 3:30pm?

Also, I have seen someone mentioned there might be guards at the boarding gate, is this true?

What about questioning on the way back to Ireland at arrivals? Can the 2K travel fine be issued on the way back?

Ray Donovan

fm wrote: »

I was thinking that aswell,it would explain when you hear "travel won't be possible until later in the summer

My massive optimism from the weekend for travel on June 29th has been eroded.

Ray Donovan

vasis1 wrote: »

Does anyone know how early it's possible to go through boarding pass scan/security check if the flight is around 3:30pm?

Also, I have seen someone mentioned there might be guards at the boarding gate, is this true?

What about questioning on the way back to Ireland at arrivals? Can the 2K travel fine be issued on the way back?

1. No idea

2. I doubt very much they would be at the departure gates.

3. Wouldn't think so.

General Toilet

The earliest you can go thru security is 0315 in the morning.

Valhallapt

Valhallapt wrote: »

Ryanair, Aer Lingus have both reduced their fleet. Both have moved planes to other countries. But you just say everything I say is false so no point in providing links, just google it.

I didnt say you were wrong so relax.

I said theres hundreds of planes sitting idle ready to be used anyway and thats true.There are hundreds sitting idle.

Its also not a big deal with move them. Ryanair move their fleet around all the time for operation reasons. Flights have remained cheap, cheaper in fact for the past year. If theres demand, they will increase flights and / or prices as always.

Out of curiosity I did Google though and the most recent article is this one which says that Ryanair are in fact bringing in more planes to cater for increased demand:

https://www.aljazeera.com/economy/2020/12/4/bbcomeback-kid-budget-ryanair-orders-210-boeing-737-max-jets

So less of the doom and gloom

pouladuff_goal

vasis1 wrote: »

Does anyone know how early it's possible to go through boarding pass scan/security check if the flight is around 3:30pm?

Also, I have seen someone mentioned there might be guards at the boarding gate, is this true?

What about questioning on the way back to Ireland at arrivals? Can the 2K travel fine be issued on the way back?

Your problem will be getting a boarding pass. You will probably have to do airport checkin and show your -tive PCR test. Many airlines have suspended online checkin.

The guards are normally just before the security check where you scan your boarding pass. Some claim Fast Track in Terminal 1 doesn't have checks. I have never seen that disputed.

No idea re the way back but I really doubt it.

Marcusm

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

Dublin airport has hundreds of planes parked up. We are a hub.

Nah, apart from EI and FR, the planes are parked here to ensure they are in an appropriate jurisdiction to arrest and repossess them if there is a default. In many other jurisdictions, the lessor and financiers can be frustrated by local interests (eg to keep planes flying locally). Within Europe, Ireland (due to constant high moisture levels) is one of the least efficient places to store them but needs must.

Tazz T

Ray Donovan wrote: »

Just as a follow up to this, I had a serious bit of a back and forth with a FF TD today who is based in the Mid-West via email.

He was of the opinion that the travel fine is a correct and suitable measure and is what is needed for public health. (He also told me he was a keen supporter of Shannon Airport - Go Figure eh?) And he also told me the travel fine was in line with what was happening in other European countries.

Needless to say I pulled him up on these points (I asked him how did MHQ tie in with his support for Shannon Airport for example). The long and the short of it for him was the government was working hard on implementing the EU travel cert and he mentioded June so I asked him:

"Are you suggesting that Ireland will have the the EU Digital Cert up and running by June 30th?"

to which he replied

"End of June is certainly the timeline all EU country's are working towards"

Needless to say I wouldnt hold my breath. But it was very interesting to note the difference between the FG and FF TD's that got back to me. Chalk and Cheese.

I'm actually starting to believe the government are going to keep renewing the fine until the date the travel cert comes into force. Or am I going mad?

There's your problem right there. Weak uninformed, uneducated politicians and media fuelled sensationalist and disproportionate populism (of which we've seen prime examples displayed on here today).

BobbyBolivia

Tazz T wrote: »

Leo has put his foot in it here. This makes no sense. By lifting travel restrictions between the UK and Ireland, he then gives Irish citizens access to any travel corridors the UK agrees (US is highly likely very soon, along with European routes from next week), yet he says in the same piece that doesn't see travel between Ireland and Europe or the US happening until next year.

Another shambles.

Completely bizarre.

Also forgetting that we can currently travel to the UK anyway, just not through an airport. You drive to Belfast, you don't even need to have a test to hop on the ferry from Belfast to Liverpool.

You come back the same way and drive back down. Nothing whatsoever stopping you from doing that.

So already those that are inclined can head off to the UK and also benefit from any corridors or routes that they have.

And furthermore, there is the EU travel cert which is supposed to lead to the reintroduction of EU travel?

rogber

Tazz T wrote: »

Only for those countries on the quarantine list. For everywhere else, it's self isolate without the ridiculous 2k fine

Does that 2k fine still apply if you're "caught" going for a walk or to the supermarket? Have there been any resports of anyone being checked recently or is it really just the hotel people they care about now?

General Toilet

The 2K fine is only for travelling to an airport.

Tazz T

BobbyBolivia wrote: »

Completely bizarre.

Also forgetting that we can currently travel to the UK anyway, just not through an airport. You drive to Belfast, you don't even need to have a test to hop on the ferry from Belfast to Liverpool.

You come back the same way and drive back down. Nothing whatsoever stopping you from doing that.

So already those that are inclined can head off to the UK and also benefit from any corridors or routes that they have.

And furthermore, there is the EU travel cert which is supposed to lead to the reintroduction of EU travel?

Unrestricted flights from Dublin to the UK remove a lot of hassle and really open up the travel options though. London and Manchester alone.

Donald Trump

General Toilet wrote: »

The 2K fine is only for travelling to an airport.

I think "port" is also explicitly mentioned

stargazer 68

rogber wrote: »

Does that 2k fine still apply if you're "caught" going for a walk or to the supermarket? Have there been any resports of anyone being checked recently or is it really just the hotel people they care about now?

There is no fine for going to the shops etc if you are supposed to be in 'quarantine'. There never was. Unless I have missed something! Which is possible!!

Gael23

Will the U.K. be part of the digital green certificate?

Valhallapt

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

Its also not a big deal with move them. Ryanair move their fleet around all the time for operation reasons.

Yes planes rotate for operational reasons but relocating them is completely different. They have moved aoc of several aircraft to be UK, that’s a big undertaking. Base relocations are typically planned 18 months in advance usually a 3 to 5 year term, it’s a multi million euro deal over several years.

It’s not doom and gloom, trying to educate people there are long term consequences in shutting down aviation, planes are expensive, no airline will let them sit idle in Dublin when they can fly them elsewhere.

Valhallapt

Tazz T wrote: »

Unrestricted flights from Dublin to the UK remove a lot of hassle and really open up the travel options though. London and Manchester alone.

By a ticket to stansted and self connect onto where ever you want, pretty easy to do.

Ray Donovan

Valhallapt wrote: »

By a ticket to stansted and self connect onto where ever you want, pretty easy to do.

Currently €162 return to fly from Dublin to Lanzarote via London Heathrow from July 6th to July 27th. Bargain!!

josip

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

Dublin airport has hundreds of planes parked up. We are a hub.

Looking at the google satellite imagery from February this year, I count 76 on the ground, of which 11 are at stands with airbridges attached.
Would the other 150 all fit in the hangars or do they have them under camouflage netting?

Corholio

normanoffside wrote: »

Looks like we'll be able to travel freely to the UK this summer but they'll make everywhere else awkward

https://twitter.com/Philip_Ryan/status/1392159552037167108

The way he says 'it's really weird that.....' as if he's a joe soap standing on the outside commenting. Another spoofer who still somehow has 'fans' from words that get said and zero actions done.

Marcusm

Valhallapt wrote: »

Yes planes rotate for operational reasons but relocating them is completely different. They have moved aoc of several aircraft to be UK, that’s a big undertaking. Base relocations are typically planned 18 months in advance usually a 3 to 5 year term, it’s a multi million euro deal over several years.

It’s not doom and gloom, trying to educate people there are long term consequences in shutting down aviation, planes are expensive, no airline will let them sit idle in Dublin when they can fly them elsewhere.

Ryanair’s movement of AOCs can be allocated to two principal reasons; Brexit is one and the other is the inability of Revenue to accommodate them for non-irish resident staff via a vis PAYE/PRSI on flights operated under an Irish AOC but with not Irish nexus. After years of arguing, Ryanair has responded by moving to Malta air and Buzz (Poland) AOCs to reduce its operating costs.

Valhallapt

Marcusm wrote: »

Ryanair’s movement of AOCs can be allocated to two principal reasons; Brexit is one and the other is the inability of Revenue to accommodate them for non-irish resident staff via a vis PAYE/PRSI on flights operated under an Irish AOC but with not Irish nexus. After years of arguing, Ryanair has responded by moving to Malta air and Buzz (Poland) AOCs to reduce its operating costs.

Yes, thecurrency did a good write up of this: https://thecurrency.news/articles/40164/flight-risk-how-ryanair-is-migrating-its-irish-business-to-malta-and-poland-and-why-it-is-doing-it/

But the current restrictions are speeding this up and making them move more planes

Valhallapt

Valhallapt wrote: »

Yes planes rotate for operational reasons but relocating them is completely different. They have moved aoc of several aircraft to be UK, that’s a big undertaking. Base relocations are typically planned 18 months in advance usually a 3 to 5 year term, it’s a multi million euro deal over several years.

Yet you would tell us that it was done as a result of covid shutdown. You cant have it both ways. Either they take years to move, or they dont. Which is it? and how does this effect the number of planes available?

Valhallapt wrote: »

It’s not doom and gloom, trying to educate people there are long term consequences in shutting down aviation, planes are expensive, no airline will let them sit idle in Dublin when they can fly them elsewhere.

Of course they wouldnt if they had the choice but its not only Ireland that has seen a reduction in traffic is it? Do you think that the rest of europe hasnt seen a reduction in flights and passengers?

Go to the airport, please. You can physically see them mothballed. Especially on the outter ring. You will see them in London, Madrid, Poland. Anywhere really as they dont as a rule, ground their fleet to this extent. I did link to an article that showed they were bringing in over 200 new Max's for when things get up and running again and of course you could go to the airlines sites themselves and see the flights and cheap prices if you wanted.

The airlines simple have not trashed hundreds of aeroplanes. They still exist and the airlines will want to use them as you have said. So why, when things do reopen, would the airlines not put the flights on with suitable prices to entice travel? I mean, Ryanair are as I type, running another sale and advertising new routes.

Marcusm wrote: »

Nah, apart from EI and FR, the planes are parked here to ensure they are in an appropriate jurisdiction to arrest and repossess them if there is a default. In many other jurisdictions, the lessor and financiers can be frustrated by local interests (eg to keep planes flying locally). Within Europe, Ireland (due to constant high moisture levels) is one of the least efficient places to store them but needs must.

We are talking about the two Irish airlines. No other company, just Ryanair and AL.

josip wrote: »

Looking at the google satellite imagery from February this year, I count 76 on the ground, of which 11 are at stands with airbridges attached.
Would the other 150 all fit in the hangars or do they have them under camouflage netting?

Really? 76? Seems odd considering Google removes planes from their satellite view which leaves airports appearing empty and has been doing so since at least 2019. The algorithm must have been feeling stroppy in February.

vasis1 wrote: »

Does anyone know how early it's possible to go through boarding pass scan/security check if the flight is around 3:30pm?

Also, I have seen someone mentioned there might be guards at the boarding gate, is this true?

What about questioning on the way back to Ireland at arrivals? Can the 2K travel fine be issued on the way back?

A, 4am is the earliest that I have seen but someone said 3.15am as well

B, They could be. There is a Garda station and immigration in the airport. Its actively patroled.

C, Yes but not for returning. Only for the original journey. Returning home is (obviously enough to sensible people) essential travel