Tesla Supercharger network in Ireland

liamog

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118114327#Comment_118114327

€13/month for anyone who want's to avail of the discounted rates

mfceiling

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118114330#Comment_118114330

But nothing out of the 40 or 50 grand they paid for the car?

TitianGerm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118114339#Comment_118114339

Tesla are chasing billions in subsidies in the US and that's one of the main reasons they are opening the network.

Income from car sales will pale in comparison to these subsidies.

As I said in another thread, unless you had a contract from Tesla saying the network wouldn't be opened to other manufacturers then Tesla owners are pissing into the wind complaining about this.

Tesla answer to their shareholders and their main aim is to drive shareholder value. Second to this is in their mission statement - Tesla's mission is to accelerate the world's transition to sustainable energy.

ted1

If they use the revenue to reinvest in the network it could be great. Busy areas get more chargers.

mfceiling

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118114420#Comment_118114420

Not likely to happen in Ireland. We are a tiny dot in the Atlantic and barely register on Tesla's radar.

My concern is the glacial pace of charging rollout here means that "if" the network opens up to other manufacturers here then you can bet they will be incredibly busy.

I've seen 5 cars charging at Birdhill at once and 4 in castlebellingham, with 2 leaving and 2 coming in within 5 minutes. Remember these were only Teslas.

Fingleberries

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118114339#Comment_118114339

What is it, $1,500 from each Tesla sold is ring fenced for the Supercharger network.

If someone subscribes to the Tesla charging plan at €13 per month and keep subscribed for 5 years, that'll be about $900 toward the Supercharger network (plus the charging fee also).

If someone rocks up without a sub, theyll obviously pay more.

So, yes, they are perhaps would not be putting as much money towards the Supercharger network.

But, it is also money that Tesla was leaving on the table. With this extra revenue, they can push forward and expand the Supercharger network quicker (they have plans for 3x growth in the next two years).

KCross

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118114327#Comment_118114327

Is your point that Tesla owners alone paid for the current network? Thats isnt true if thats the point you are making.

And how much have Tesla paid for the other charge networks that they use? Tesla went out of their way to develop ChaDeMo and CCS adators so that their owners could use other networks.

Its just working both ways now.

I can understand current owners being "upset" by it but I think it will turn out to be a storm in a tea cup.

Black_Knight

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118114462#Comment_118114462

You hear of people queuing for ecars chargers when ionity is available beside them. Could be the same craic with the SuCs. Tight people being tight

mfceiling

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118114522#Comment_118114522

It's not the point I'm making but a contribution of the purchase price goes towards the network. Happy days if you drive another EV. Throw them £13 a month and you have relatively cheap supercharging.

Really making me consider if I'd bother with a tesla again. Why bother when the network is there for any other EV.

liamog

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118114339#Comment_118114339

Why would buying a car from any other manufacturer go towards funding the SuC network? Should a fraction of the sale of a Model 3 in Ireland be sent to EasyGo, eCars, and Ionity?

mfceiling

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118114838#Comment_118114838

Think you're missing the point. You buy a tesla and a percentage of your purchase price is ring fenced for the charging network. You buy a VW and you can now use the same charger that another driver has paid towards.

I wonder will tesla reduce their car prices now that the network is opening. Why pay extra for a service that others can use now?

Does a fraction of the prices of the other manufacturers go towards Easygo and Ecars?

eagerv

It wont stop me looking at Tesla in a year or two.

Unfortunately on most of my routes from the South East SuC is of no real advantage. Ionity on the other hand has been great, rarely see anyone else charging, has been faultless with three stations on my Dublin routes and one going to Limerick. As long as it doesn't get too cheap..lol

liamog

If you buy a Tesla, you can also use the Ionity network which has been funded by a consortium of manufacturers and can now directly purchase a subscription for if you drive a car from a non-member company.

The only difference between VW and Tesla in this model, is that VW choose to offer a subsidised membership on a 12 monthly basis instead of baking it into the purchase price of every vehicle sold. Would you prefer the Model 3 was cheaper and didn't come with a free lifetime subscription to the Tesla charging service?

mfceiling

How many Ionity chargers in Ireland? 20? 25? How many in the pipeline?

If Tesla become the dominant supercharging network then Ionity won't bother expanding here. Why would they?

slave1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118114527#Comment_118114527

But Tesla won’t charge rip off prices, they’re cheaper than eCars last time I looked. Even if folk don’t want to pay the monthly sub they can avoid it all year bar staycation season.

I was used to being the only Tesla at the SuC few years back, now there’s always a few there when I arrive and leave, especially model 3s

TitianGerm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118115620#Comment_118115620

It's 57c in Netherlands on the trial without a subscription so a similar price here would make it 20c more expensive than ESB.

dloob

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118113522#Comment_118113522

Maybe for people living in some parts of the country SuC network was useful but as someone living in Galway I don't think it's been much of an incentive for people over this side of the country.

Sure it's getting better now that Athenry and Enfield will finally be available.

My Tesla is on the way and I expect to still use eCars chargers a lot with it as the SuC network is still geographically limited.

SuC access was a nice to have for me, but not a primary reason to get the Tesla.

It will be interesting to see what comes out of the trial and what changes they make.

liamog

If Tesla become the dominant supercharging network then Ionity won't bother expanding here. Why would they?

I'm not sure why this matters, I just want CCS chargers to be installed that are accessible to all drivers, I don't particularly care who operates them.

Did you figure out yet if you would still buy a Tesla if it was cheaper and didn't come with a free lifetime subscription to the Tesla charging service?

unkel

"SuC access was a nice to have for me, but not a primary reason to get the Tesla"

Not here and not yet, but in continental Europe it makes a huge difference. Plenty of people over there buy Teslas without having access to home or work charging. Just like nobody has access to home or work filling up with petrol or diesel. It is that simple and convenient.

KCross

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118114876#Comment_118114876

You buy a tesla and a percentage of your purchase price is ring fenced for the charging network.

So your point is actually that Tesla owners paid for the network.

This $1500 ring fencing thing is just BS as far as Im concerned. Tesla drew down billions upon billions of shareholder money based on a massive stock price and fair play to them for doing it... thats what is primarily funding it. Sure, some of the profit from your purchase goes into that big pot of revenue they have too but Tesla havent suddenly started charging you for something which they are now taking away.

slave1

The only known figure re the SuC network was the €1,400/$1,500 option that was (and no longer) available with new purchase that gave free SuC for life.

Anything else is just pure speculation/notional

unkel

Tesla paid for the network. Not Tesla owners. And credit to Musk for opening up the SuC network to all EVs - this sure will help the uptake of EVs and the transition to a better environment

How can anyone but the selfish not be happy with this development?

Of course this trial needs to be monitored, problems need to be addressed before it can be rolled out further, etc.

AndyBoBandy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118117328#Comment_118117328

Yeah the argument that we don't nave the inter city charging network/hubs in Ireland virtually becomes null & void if they do get opened up here.

Once the North West gets a few sites in, that's the entire island covered by an actual network of hubs, and eCars can get back to installing AC22's in Tesco carparks..

liamog

Yeah the argument that we don't nave the inter city charging network/hubs in Ireland virtually becomes null & void if they do get opened up here.

We're still missing the city charging hubs needed for those without off street parking, but hopefully we'll start to see some developments in these areas soon.

AndyBoBandy

Looks like the majority of teh groundworks at Enfield are complete. tarmac going down tomorrow, and then waiting for the ESB to do their thing.

Apparently though the eCars charger(s) going in at the same location are wired for rapid charging too!! I'd assumed there'd be some AC chargers going in (and maybe there will), but at least wiring it for rapid charging is a very good move to future proof the location... while taking advantage of the work Tesla are getting done there...

is this dare I say, common sense from eCars?

liamog

is this dare I say, common sense from eCars?

Most people missed it because they like to hate on eCars, but the Mayfield charging station was originally planned by Ionity. Looks like they took over the build and operation of the site for them. It appears they are certainly willing to work with operators in the background.

reni10

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118117370#Comment_118117370

The South East of the country has no superchargers at all and the M9 motorway has zero charging options on the actual motorway until you travel over 100km from the start of it to the Services in Kilcullen and then you only have basically 2 eCars chargers which you will more than likely be queuing for!

So for me the priority needs to be the South East and the M9.

AndyBoBandy

I'd like to think Tesla are scouting out more locations like Tralee or Mahon Point... hotels/retail parks that are reasonably close to the main roads in the particular area..

Mahon Point happened extremely fast (though we knew for a while Cork was on the list), but Tralee came out of nowhere.. so theres optimism that similar could happen again..

For me, Sligo, Waterford, M9/Wexford, Derry, Cavan, Longford, Mayo, Omagh and then a few more around Dublin/M50 would be brilliant additions, and would then cover the entire country... a lot of them might only need to be 2/4 car stalls..

Heres my little map of what I'd consider the complete SuC network for Ireland.... another 8/9 sites, and that'd be the country sorted...

most of these new sites dont need to be at a services, any old hotel/retail park would do.....

jusmeig

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118118752#Comment_118118752

I like it Andy :thumbs_up

TitianGerm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118118752#Comment_118118752

The services at Tinreyland in Carlow would be a great spot for a hub.