Tesla Supercharger network in Ireland

kanuseeme

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118106223#Comment_118106223

Mercedes, A,B class only 70 km, E class and GL something 100 km, fast charging is an option also.

kanuseeme

This picture is from 2 years ago, only seen it now. How long was that site out of commission?.

cannco253

https://twitter.com/electricfelix/status/1455526008174620681?s=20

Felix is live on twitter today (you might know him from his Ionity site)

slave1

That's just a result of the first ICE space being available, if not the car would take up two spaces...

TitianGerm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118106985#Comment_118106985

If there's no one using any of the other chargers then what's the issue? I'm sure the person would move if they were actually stopping another user from charging and wouldn't be staying long anyway if not.

There was a lot of back and forth in other threads here recently about charger etiquette and a lot of people were saying that it should be first come first serve which I agree with but I wouldn't hog a charger either.

slave1

There's no issue with the above (at least from my perspective). However if the ICE was not available then the e-tron would need to take up two charging spots.

If another EV wanted to charge they are provided with real time availability of each SuC location, if there are 4 (for example) stalls then the Tesla App will say there are three available stalls whereas in reality there are only two. If there was (say) the eTron charging in stall 1, blocking stall 2 and a Tesla charging in stall 3 then real time availability is simply incorrect (it will think two available slots). Another EV owner (non-Tesla) would see two available stalls and rightly think they are good to go there for a charge whereas in reality (in the simple scenario above) they cant charge.

If you are familiar with stall layouts then the above may be clear, not the easiest to get across.

I've been to plenty of 2 and 4 stall SuC locations where "mis-parking" would fek things up...

eagerv

I see Ioniq 5/ ev6 have moved to rear right charging, which will not be ideal for SuC.

Fingleberries

The popular VW id.3 and id.4 both have rear right charging ports, I believe also.

slave1

The answer to the location problem is to either....

Replace the current (liquid cooled) cables, but at present they loop exactly inside the SuC stall, if they are lengthened they will flop onto the ground, plus they will become very heavy/wieldy

or

Provide a CCS extension cable for purchase by any non-Tesla EV owner who wishes to use the SuC network

I'd say Tesla know there will be a hogging nightmare but rather than anticipate are waiting for the trial feedback.

It's worse in the States where AFAIK Tesla use a proprietary connection on the vehicle side, so an adapter will be a 100% requirement because I can't see Tesla putting in two cables in their extensive US network

eddhorse

^^ this, extension cables will solve this hopefully without much loss.

AndyBoBandy

The issue with an extension cable is that non Tesla drivers can 'buy it' so that they don't inconvenience Tesla owners, or they can not buy it, and occupy 2 spaces while charging their car....

so what do you think they'll do?

cannco253

https://youtu.be/z0EBVQVmMn4

Tesla open up Supercharger network to ALL electric vehicles - trials have begun!

RSymons RSEV

ELM327

Words cannot express the amount of dislike I have for this. I'm currently not even a Tesla owner (we only have herself's Ioniq for the moment) but this is so silly and badly planned. You could have a 10 bay site taken out by 3 badly parked non Tesla cars.

I agree with some of Richard's conclusions at the end of the above. Have a percentage of the site open to all and leave the rest as tesla only. Like destination chargers with red and white signs. And the price should be more than a tesla owner pays, even with a paltry 13 euro sub. It should be 40c plus, if the tesla rate is going to be 24-31c

unkel

It's only a trial, ELM327!

No doubt these issues will arise from the trial. No better place to test this than on large supercharger sites in the Netherlands as the next supercharger over there is never far away and there are plenty of other reliable fast charging sites too, like Fastned and Ionity. Over there you don't even need home or work charging to own an EV

liamog

Words cannot express the amount of dislike I have for this. I'm currently not even a Tesla owner (we only have herself's Ioniq for the moment) but this is so silly and badly planned. You could have a 10 bay site taken out by 3 badly parked non Tesla cars.

The hyperbole of Tesla owners on this is getting ridiculous. The site isn't taken out, there is still plenty of chargers accessible to other right hand charging cars. No doubt Tesla will be monitoring this very closely to identify issues. If the trial goes well and this becomes a serious part of the business they'll likely roll out new SuCs with a modified layout. Knowing Tesla they probably already have a design on the books.

ELM327

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118111571#Comment_118111571

I'm not a Tesla owner.

cannco253

Which current Supercharger site in Ireland is the busiest?

Has any Tesla owner arrived at an Irish Supercharger and found it full to capacity? I know the Irish sites are smaller compared to the Pilot sites but I haven't heard of Tesla owners having to wait for a unit at a Supercharger to become available.

AndyBoBandy

If its limited to sites with 10+ stalls, then we'll be grand in Ireland.

I can't see any new SuC sites in Ireland having more than 8 stalls as we simply won't need them..... as of today, the shortest range Tesla you can order is 491km WLTP

I can see the Mahon Point & Tralee sites of 4/2 stalls becoming the norm here, just with huge spread across the country to ensure you are never more than 50km away from one.... at most these sites could be increased to 8/4 stalls, but I couldn't ever envisage a site of more than 8 stalls on this island. The key for a location like Ireland will be a sh1t ton of micro sites (2-6 stalls) in hotels & retail parks... I don't think we'll ever get another Birdhill, Ballacolla or Castlebellingham tpe site here, and probably we won't need them either!

Sabre Man

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118111749#Comment_118111749

I think Birdhill is probably the busiest site. Or maybe Cork.

ELM327

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118111851#Comment_118111851

The only reason Tralee is a 2 stall site was local capacity. They wabnted to install a 4 stall V3.

Athenry and Enfield seem to be 2*v3 (ie 8 stalls) capacity, the dublin one is a 4 bay v3

slave1

I am a Tesla owner and cannot talk to all owners but the apprehension is two fold.

a) One of the primary reasons for Tesla purchase was use of the exclusive SuC network because the Public one is sh1te (almost 5 year EV owner so a few years pre-Tesla)

b) Opening of the network greatly impacts the above, especially the frustration associated with blocking of stalls due to location of charge ports

Lets see how the trial goes and if Tesla sort out the stall blocking and bring in 12/16 stall SuC locations with little/no Tesla owners waiting then no issue.

I have never waited at any SuC location ever across here and Scotland, closest was Cork this year when they just had the two open.

PS High advocate of EV, have to be one of the earliest two EV household in the country, currently have a S and Kona, I'd love for the Kona to use the SuC once it doesn't result in a repetition of current eCars reliability/queuing

innrain

I wonder would we get a discount for the non-Tesla charging? 😊

ELM327

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118113300#Comment_118113300

Or use the tesla app to get free supercharging on your non tesla EV aswell

Laviski

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118111571#Comment_118111571

"the hyperbole of tesla owners" same complaint can by made regarding the Chademo hate on other threads.

Black_Knight

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118112346#Comment_118112346

Not to dwell on it, but wrt a) hasn't the SuC in Ireland only ramped up in the last 1-2 years. Was the SuC network such a big draw 3-5 years ago when Ireland only had 2-3 SuC sites?

b) seems like the big issue. Misaligned charge ports, and "non optimised cars" for high power charging. Teslas will preheat batteries to get the best charging rate they can, and are built with high rates of charge as standard. A coldgating or just low Max charging rate car is going to hold up a stall (or 2) for much longer than a Tesla will for the same range.

zep

So who has ever had to wait at an SuC in Ireland? Who has actually seen a full SuC?

How many times have most people here actually used an SuC, for me I've used maybe 5 times in 3 years (I've free lifetime charging also).

Home and destination charging usually sorts me out.

Yes it's great knowing that there will be no queue, but is it really the reason you spend €50k+ on a car?

And all the fuss over a trial, if said trial does not work, due to difficulties with other manu charge port locations etc, then so be it.

liamog

My biggest shock as part of the whole trial is that the walk up price isn't 69c/kWh

slave1

"Yes it's great knowing that there will be no queue, but is it really the reason you spend €50k+ on a car?"

No, it's not worth €50k to spend, but when you are weighing off one EV against another in the same price range then it's a big factor.

KCross

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118111851#Comment_118111851

If its limited to sites with 10+ stalls, then we'll be grand in Ireland

Thats just for the trial. If Tesla deem it a success you can be sure they will roll it out across a wider portion (maybe all). Makes sense to trial it in larger sites first to see what the issues are.

Its also quite likely they will see issues with some models not starting/maintaining a charge session and what not due to interpretations of the charging protocol. Best do that first on large sites where the impact will be minimised.

mfceiling

How much of the purchase price of any other EV manufacturer has contributed to the supercharger network?