Building a shed

mengele

Has anyone any tips on what way is the easiest to get 20ft sheets up to the roof of a shed that will be 15ft high at the eves

Reggie.

mengele wrote: »

Has anyone any tips on what way is the easiest to get 20ft sheets up to the roof of a shed that will be 15ft high at the eves

Teleporter

Hard Knocks

mengele wrote: »

Has anyone any tips on what way is the easiest to get 20ft sheets up to the roof of a shed that will be 15ft high at the eves

Vice grips & rope

mengele

Reggie. wrote: »

Teleporter

take it up with you in the man cage of the teleporter and try and slide it up the roof from the eve is it?

foxy farmer

mengele wrote: »

Has anyone any tips on what way is the easiest to get 20ft sheets up to the roof of a shed that will be 15ft high at the eves

I roofed a shed here back along where I had a scaffolding (10×10platform) that I moved along the side of the building. I'd pick up a sheet with a double bale spike on the loader that had 2 tines with a plastic pipe over them. Then id land one end of the sheet up on the platform and drop the loaders so that when I put the end of the sheet up on the first 6×3 it was lying at the same slope as the roof.
I just had to slide it up then and get the overlap roughly in position. Squeeze a vicegrip on the overlap at the bottom. Up on to top of roof, check the overlap and nail away mad. I was on my own so a lot of ladder climbing. I also had plenty room for platform and digger. One thing i noticed was very little scratching of the paint.

mengele

mengele wrote: »

take it up with you in the man cage of the teleporter and try and slide it up the roof from the eve is it?

do not get into a cage on a teleporter....its not safe


Hire a hoist,and work from that,and lift sheets up/down with teleporter,if hoists cant manage it



For sake of a at most a few hundred euro to be safe,its not worth the risk

NcdJd

[Deleted User] wrote: »

do not get into a cage on a teleporter....its not safe


Hire a hoist,and work from that,and lift sheds up/down with teleporter,if hoists cant manage it



For sake of a at most a few hundred euro to be safe,its not worth the risk

And put them up on a calm day.

lakill Farm

Why is a cage on a teleporter not safe?

Deleted User wrote: »

do not get into a cage on a teleporter....its not safe


Hire a hoist,and work from that,and lift sheets up/down with teleporter,if hoists cant manage it



For sake of a at most a few hundred euro to be safe,its not worth the risk

dzer2

lakill Farm wrote: »

Why is a cage on a teleporter not safe?

Long time ago 2 men in a reporter cage killed when it fell off the boom. An inexperienced driver opened the locking pin and tipped over the cage. Both men would have survived only their harnesses were attached to the cage

I says

I’m a firm believer in you don’t know how or aren’t capable enough to do something get the experts in. How many people have died or suffered life changing injuries because they think they can do something they’ve no training in. I’ve a neighbour attempting to breast back trees and I wince when I see him out with the chainsaw.He doesn’t even wear any type of ppe.

lakill Farm

lakill Farm wrote: »

Why is a cage on a teleporter not safe?

theres no check valve in the tilt on a teleporter......almost all you'll see if left up over night will tilt forward a small bit

The same will happen,if teleporter cuts out and lads stuck in them.....the days of lads chancing it,taking risk while working at heights should be gone

For sake of a few hundred in the cost of shed for hire of a hoist,its worth every cent imo.....chances are,if its being wired,the electrian will want one anyway

lakill Farm

I have used a teleporter here a few times and would use it 100 times ahead of a lift.

Im terrible with heights but would always feel safe in the cage but I would have someone I trust driving it.

the tilt forward is bad seals and lots of the teleporters have check valves on all rams. they cost 50 euro only

Deleted User wrote: »

theres no check valve in the tilt on a teleporter......almost all you'll see if left up over night will tilt forward a small bit

The same will happen,if teleporter cuts out and lads stuck in them.....the days of lads chancing it,taking risk while working at heights should be gone

For sake of a few hundred in the cost of shed for hire of a hoist,its worth every cent imo.....chances are,if its being wired,the electrian will want one anyway

lakill Farm

I know a lad badly hurt when a cherrypicker turned over after a safety sensor was over wrote by a staff member.

You cant blame the machinery for operators poor training

dzer2 wrote: »

Long time ago 2 men in a reporter cage killed when it fell off the boom. An inexperienced driver opened the locking pin and tipped over the cage. Both men would have survived only their harnesses were attached to the cage

Panjandrums

Get a short harness no matter what type of machine you are working out of from height.

Out of curiosity, anyone who's working out of manbaskets on teleporters, is it a pallet fork mounted basket or a basket attached to the teleporter by the brackets?

Limestone Cowboy

Panjandrums wrote: »

Get a short harness no matter what type of machine you are working out of from height.

Out of curiosity, anyone who's working out of manbaskets on teleporters, is it a pallet fork mounted basket or a basket attached to the teleporter by the brackets?

Brackets in the couple I have been up in, I wouldn't like the pallet fork types. Always felt reasonably safe with a good fella driving it. We sheeted a few sheds over the summer and it was normally me that had to drive the tele though, would be very conscious of the man in the basket and not to make any sudden movements. I've no problem with heights but ladders scare the sh1t out of me.

dzer2

lakill Farm wrote: »

I know a lad badly hurt when a cherrypicker turned over after a safety sensor was over wrote by a staff member.

You cant blame the machinery for operators poor training

Dont go there

Lad killed in Limerick on a hoist, drove under a beam backwards never seen it got jammed between the beam and control panel. He had done the training but they never covered the correct direction to drive it.

Panjandrums

I'm surprised the HSA hasn't brought in CSCS training for mobile elevated working platforms (mewps). People might be trained to use it but they also have to be competent. The onus is on the employer to ensure this.

I have seen a few videos of companies sheeting roofs from the roof itself with no fall protection at all. They deserve to be put out of business.

dzer2

Panjandrums wrote: »

I'm surprised the HSA hasn't brought in CSCS training for mobile elevated working platforms (mewps). People might be trained to use it but they also have to be competent. The onus is on the employer to ensure this.

I have seen a few videos of companies sheeting roofs from the roof itself with no fall protection at all. They deserve to be put out of business.

They have training for them.

What fall protection were you expecting. Some put nets on more use bean bags others use harnesses. Most sites insist on it

Panjandrums

dzer2 wrote: »

They have training for them.

What fall protection were you expecting. Some put nets on more use bean bags others use harnesses. Most sites insist on it

There is no CSCS certificate for Mewps. There is no set training or assessment and the standard of training for Mewps varies massively from company to company.

A risk assessment will identify the most suitable fall protection.
Any site that doesn't insist on fall protection should be closed.

dzer2

Panjandrums wrote: »

There is no CSCS certificate for Mewps. There is no set training or assessment and the standard of training for Mewps varies massively from company to company.

A risk assessment will identify the most suitable fall protection.
Any site that doesn't insist on fall protection should be closed.

I have a ticket for a mewp and have it for nearly 20 yrs. Have safe pass and trained to do the risk assessments for all site activities. Also have 360, dumper, forklift, teleporter, crane operator. Loads of training centres do these. If the HSA are not requiring the course being done then the site contractor should.

SCOL

I'm putting a 2 bay shed on the back of the two story garage, there is a footpath around it so I was thinking of welding plates to the RSJ and bolting the first frame to the wall and to the path at the bottom, put the other girders in concrete and diagonal brace both bays.

Storage for tractor, trailer etc and a workshop on top, would that work ?

Bass Reeves

SCOL wrote: »

I'm putting a 2 bay shed on the back of the two story garage, there is a footpath around it so I was thinking of welding plates to the RSJ and bolting the first frame to the wall and to the path at the bottom, put the other girders in concrete and diagonal brace both bays.

Storage for tractor, trailer etc and a workshop on top, would that work ?

I presume that the walls are 4'' cavity block. How much concrete I'd in the footpaths 3''...4'' deep. Is the garage build on a slab or strip foundations. It would not be a huge job to get a consaw and kango and take out 18'' square pieces of the footpath and go 12'' deep and put in pads for RSJ's. If you did I still bolt to garage wall.

Track9

Reggie. wrote: »

I ordered my shed yesterday. 32ft x 33ft. 13ft to eaves. Steel purlins and 8x4 Iron. €4500 inc vat.
A-frame
Not including sheeting atm. Just waiting on the price on that

I would be grateful if you would keep us informed as to progress & prices etc.
I'm finding it a bit of a minefield in trying to get a reasonable price.

Reggie.

Track9 wrote: »

I would be grateful if you would keep us informed as to progress & prices etc.
I'm finding it a bit of a minefield in trying to get a reasonable price.

the A frame shed at 32ft x 33ft, the metal frame at 8x4 steel primed and painted with all steel purlins has come in at €4400 inc. All bolts supplied.

The sheeting for the shed sheeted to the floor if required inc all bolts, screws and gutters is €3750 with non drip roof. That's roof and 3 sides . The front will be open with just to top "triangle" of the A frame sheeted if ya get my meaning. It leaves the opening square.

I wasnt ready to buy yet but looks like the longer ya leave it the more the price will increase so I just but the bullet. Roughly 10 weeks of a waiting list for the frame

Reggie.

Tileman wrote: »

Who did u order from reggie. I am trying to get a new sheep shed up here . Basic enough 60x40 and cannot get anyone to quite.

Any joy?

Tileman

Reggie. wrote: »

Any joy?

No I rang two other fairly local firms this week also and waiting on then to quote . Must give your crowd a call this week.

Reggie.

Tileman wrote: »

No I rang two other fairly local firms this week also and waiting on then to quote . Must give your crowd a call this week.

Good luck

quietsailor

Panjandrums wrote: »

Get a short harness no matter what type of machine you are working out of from height.

Just reading something in another thread and it triggered a memory of workplace deaths in Limerick - a cage came off (a crane I think) and fell into the river - the two men died because their harnesses prevented them from leaving the cage and getting back up to the surface so they drowned. Wearing a harness isn't an automatic "everything will be ok" you need to look at the job yourself and decide what's safest.

vincenzolorenzo

quietsailor wrote: »

Just reading something in another thread and it triggered a memory of workplace deaths in Limerick - a cage came off (a crane I think) and fell into the river - the two men died because their harnesses prevented them from leaving the cage and getting back up to the surface so they drowned. Wearing a harness isn't an automatic "everything will be ok" you need to look at the job yourself and decide what's safest.

Yeah that was a terrible case. The problem was they were wearing life vest as well so when the fell in the harness was tight and they couldn't release it. Should have either been vest or harness, not both

AntrimGlens

Settled the bill for this yesterday.
£14,250 for all Steel,(9x6) sheeting, bolts, doors etc.
£3,000 for putting it up
£5,250 for the concrete panels
approx £2K for ground works, digging, stone etc.
£1K for all sparking work

I was damn glad of it last week in the gutters and rain. I'll make no excuses, the shed was put up for the comfort of the shepherd as much as the comfort of the sheep.