Building a shed

_Brian

AntrimGlens wrote: »

Settled the bill for this yesterday.
£14,250 for all Steel,(9x6) sheeting, bolts, doors etc.
£3,000 for putting it up
£5,250 for the concrete panels
approx £2K for ground works, digging, stone etc.
£1K for all sparking work

I was damn glad of it last week in the gutters and rain. I'll make no excuses, the shed was put up for the comfort of the shepherd as much as the comfort of the sheep.

Nice job there.

patsy_mccabe

quietsailor wrote: »

Just reading something in another thread and it triggered a memory of workplace deaths in Limerick - a cage came off (a crane I think) and fell into the river - the two men died because their harnesses prevented them from leaving the cage and getting back up to the surface so they drowned. Wearing a harness isn't an automatic "everything will be ok" you need to look at the job yourself and decide what's safest.

I remember that. Health and safety is crazy some times. Nobody wants to criticise it, as they'll be held responsible then if anything goes wrong. Thus blind following of procedures is just as dangerous as completely ignoring them.

I worked in a factory once where lads regularly went up on top of a large machine. The health and safety guy told them they had to put on safety harnesses every time they went up. It took them a good 15 muns each time to put them on. Funny thing was the roof was only 6 feet off the ground and the safety harness took 10 feet to work. Guy putting it on one day was laughing telling me this.

patsy_mccabe

Stay away from cavity blocks. I've a shed here with them and its full of rats. Constantly putting down poison for them. They die then and bad smell for weeks after.

Bass Reeves

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

Stay away from cavity blocks. I've a shed here with them and its full of rats. Constantly putting down poison for them. They die then and bad smell for weeks after.

Keep poison out all the time around it especially from September to Christmas. Rats migrating looking for winter quarters will generally feed as they arrive. If they feel sick they will go back to there original best to die

Reggie.

AntrimGlens wrote: »

Settled the bill for this yesterday.
£14,250 for all Steel,(9x6) sheeting, bolts, doors etc.
£3,000 for putting it up
£5,250 for the concrete panels
approx £2K for ground works, digging, stone etc.
£1K for all sparking work

I was damn glad of it last week in the gutters and rain. I'll make no excuses, the shed was put up for the comfort of the shepherd as much as the comfort of the sheep.

That's an animal of a shed

AntrimGlens

Reggie. wrote: »

That's an animal of a shed

It's 95x50 outside but I'll be honest Reggie, I wish it was bigger. I'm still in two minds to put a feed passage up the middle of it or not. It loses a lot of capacity if I do, also means more labour of graiping silage to them twice a day.
If I keep it as a loose shed, it's more functional and versatile and get more use out of it than just housing ewes for 10 weeks of the year.
Might throw a few calves into it or something..

mengele

AntrimGlens wrote: »

Settled the bill for this yesterday.
£14,250 for all Steel,(9x6) sheeting, bolts, doors etc.
£3,000 for putting it up
£5,250 for the concrete panels
approx £2K for ground works, digging, stone etc.
£1K for all sparking work

I was damn glad of it last week in the gutters and rain. I'll make no excuses, the shed was put up for the comfort of the shepherd as much as the comfort of the sheep.

That looks serious value there for what you have now. When had you all the steel ordered for? I wonder if you priced that today what would it cost you with the prices increases over the last month or two.

Mooooo

AntrimGlens wrote: »

It's 95x50 outside but I'll be honest Reggie, I wish it was bigger. I'm still in two minds to put a feed passage up the middle of it or not. It loses a lot of capacity if I do, also means more labour of graiping silage to them twice a day.
If I keep it as a loose shed, it's more functional and versatile and get more use out of it than just housing ewes for 10 weeks of the year.
Might throw a few calves into it or something..

As they say tis rare enough anyone regrets making something too big. Are you or could you put feeding barrier on the external sides/ back of the shed? Would keep the space inside then. Nice shed all the same. Edit oy thought of the walls there, brainfart moment

AntrimGlens

mengele wrote: »

That looks serious value there for what you have now. When had you all the steel ordered for? I wonder if you priced that today what would it cost you with the prices increases over the last month or two.

Ordered it March 2020. The steel erectors were telling me it would be up another £2,500 now. I got a letter in last week from the concrete company saying readymix is up another 5% and concrete panels another 7%.

I plan on putting a roofed handling yard to the bottom side of it, but need to gather up the pennies for that.

In fairness to the man I ordered it off, he turns out a serious amount of sheds and has them well priced. He was £1500 cheaper than two other quotes that were only quoting for 8x4 steels!

Track9

AntrimGlens wrote: »

Settled the bill for this yesterday.
£14,250 for all Steel,(9x6) sheeting, bolts, doors etc.
£3,000 for putting it up
£5,250 for the concrete panels
approx £2K for ground works, digging, stone etc.
£1K for all sparking work

I was damn glad of it last week in the gutters and rain. I'll make no excuses, the shed was put up for the comfort of the shepherd as much as the comfort of the sheep.

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Good for you & the Shed needs to be for the Comfort of the Sheperd also.
I got a big lesson when we had Beast from the east a few years back.
Swore I would do better for the Sheperd.
Thanks for putting up the figures, they will be helpful.
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Stihl waters

No one ever built a shed for animals

Cattleman123

AntrimGlens wrote: »

Settled the bill for this yesterday.
£14,250 for all Steel,(9x6) sheeting, bolts, doors etc.
£3,000 for putting it up
£5,250 for the concrete panels
approx £2K for ground works, digging, stone etc.
£1K for all sparking work

I was damn glad of it last week in the gutters and rain. I'll make no excuses, the shed was put up for the comfort of the shepherd as much as the comfort of the sheep.

That's a fine shed. The best of luck with it.... Nice blackies to! Im thinking of doing a dry shed here and seeing that would give me a push on. Was it fee that done the steelwork?

piwyudo0fhn57b

Best of luck!

Tileman

That’s a great Job Antrim glen. Best of luck with it.
U have great options with the clear span.
That’s great value. I got a quote today for allot more than your entire shed for a 60x40. I nearly fell off the chair. And that was just for the stell and cladding to be out up . Not even the concrete

Reggie.

AntrimGlens wrote: »

Ordered it March 2020. The steel erectors were telling me it would be up another £2,500 now. I got a letter in last week from the concrete company saying readymix is up another 5% and concrete panels another 7%.

I plan on putting a roofed handling yard to the bottom side of it, but need to gather up the pennies for that.

In fairness to the man I ordered it off, he turns out a serious amount of sheds and has them well priced. He was £1500 cheaper than two other quotes that were only quoting for 8x4 steels!

Any reason you went for timber purlins over steel

Grueller

Reggie. wrote: »

Any reason you went for timber purlins over steel

An insurance assessor told me to always go timber if you can. If the roof fails with steels, and he says it does happen regularly, they pull the whole shed down. The timber breaks and leaves the shed frame intact.

Reggie.

Grueller wrote: »

An insurance assessor told me to always go timber if you can. If the roof fails with steels, and he says it does happen regularly, they pull the whole shed down. The timber breaks and leaves the shed frame intact.

The steel purlins would nearly be the same weight as timber maybe even lighter

mengele

A question for us. Most are recommending an 8ft wall for a machinery shed. I'm thinking of just putting a 5ft wall. I like to be able to put things on the top of the wall along the boundary such as paint cans or whatever. Any down side with just going 5ft?

The Rabbi

mengele wrote: »

A question for us. Most are recommending an 8ft wall for a machinery shed. I'm thinking of just putting a 5ft wall. I like to be able to put things on the top of the wall along the boundary such as paint cans or whatever. Any down side with just going 5ft?

The downside is that you put a heap of sh!t there and can't put any paint cans on the top of the wall. Worse still you can't put a shelf at 6ft to store your paint cans.

Grueller

Reggie. wrote: »

The steel purlins would nearly be the same weight as timber maybe even lighter

Not the weight of the timbers, but the weight of snow. The timbers break leaving the steel frame standing perfect and only needing re sheeting. The steel outlines bend and twist and pull the stanchions down with them and twist them out of shape rendering them useless for repair.

AntrimGlens

Reggie. wrote: »

Any reason you went for timber purlins over steel

Not really, just never even considered steel purlins. It won't get heavy snow as we're at sea level and there would be very few sheds done here with steel purlins. Maybe only the rich dairy men!!
Had I the money I may have gone galvanised on the steels and maybe considered steel purlins then.
I think by the time the cladding needs replaced the timbers should still be good.

satstheway

AntrimGlens wrote: »

Settled the bill for this yesterday.
£14,250 for all Steel,(9x6) sheeting, bolts, doors etc.
£3,000 for putting it up
£5,250 for the concrete panels
approx £2K for ground works, digging, stone etc.
£1K for all sparking work

I was damn glad of it last week in the gutters and rain. I'll make no excuses, the shed was put up for the comfort of the shepherd as much as the comfort of the sheep.

Who supplied the shed frame?

AntrimGlens

satstheway wrote: »

Who supplied the shed frame?

David Hamilton - you'll not find him on the internet or on Facebook or anywhere. but 99% of the sheds put up round here are supplied by him. He's got it down to a fine art, there's not too many bolts or nails left over by the time they've been erected.
Pm if you want his details.

lakill Farm

The concrete panels are a great job except the fitting of them on site

AntrimGlens wrote: »

Settled the bill for this yesterday.
£14,250 for all Steel,(9x6) sheeting, bolts, doors etc.
£3,000 for putting it up
£5,250 for the concrete panels
approx £2K for ground works, digging, stone etc.
£1K for all sparking work

I was damn glad of it last week in the gutters and rain. I'll make no excuses, the shed was put up for the comfort of the shepherd as much as the comfort of the sheep.

AntrimGlens

lakill Farm wrote: »

The concrete panels are a great job except the fitting of them on site

Lakill, don't even go there. The crowd I bought them off were about £500 cheaper for the same panel, but they stopped installing them last year. I wasn't notified about that until after I had ordered them.
There are 4 panels along the back wall that are 17'9 long and 4 ft high that weight 2.75 T each.
Lets just say the digger was on her toes lifting them into place. If I had ordered off Moore Concrete they install them for you, which would have saved my heart from near stopping a few times.

lakill Farm

Local lad has a massive mother fxuker of a hiab on a scania tractor unit here for lifting in pre-stressed floors in houses. massive lifting capacity and reach

He would lift them in but its a Saturday evening as he is always off doing floors in houses. but that doesn't always suit. 2.75t is a little over a m3 of concrete. seen a 130 hitachi struggle with a 12ft 6 slat and they are 1.2/1.3ton but he had the job stretched out

AntrimGlens wrote: »

Lakill, don't even go there. The crowd I bought them off were about £500 cheaper for the same panel, but they stopped installing them last year. I wasn't notified about that until after I had ordered them.
There are 4 panels along the back wall that are 17'9 long and 4 ft high that weight 2.75 T each.
Lets just say the digger was on her toes lifting them into place. If I had ordered off Moore Concrete they install them for you, which would have saved my heart from near stopping a few times.

Good loser

I put up a 4 bay double slatted house in 1988 approx. With a 1 m overhang each side.
A month ago half of a fish plate fell to the ground on one side (facing west) which caused me to examine the point plus the other 4 that side and the 5 on other side. All 5 on the west needed replacing while those on the east were okay. It was where the 33 ft 12 x 3's were attached to the bull rails.
On exam the 4 remaining fish plates were not rusted through though they had thinned significantly but the bolts had more or less disintegrated so that I could hammer the bolts back the way they came iykwim - effectively the nuts had 'gone' 5/8" thro rail and 1/2" thro timber. If the fish plates had been galvanised this would not have happened; replacements are.

Also two of those brackets where 6 x 3s are joined to 12 x 3 s had eaten through so replaced all five - with the 'twisty' ones.

The scale build at the top of the bull rails for top 30mm was very big - up to about 10 mm. equal to the thickness of the nose.

Track9

Can anyone help, please?
I'm close to starting building a ( Dry Storage Shed 40 x 20 ) &
Step 2 will be a 2/3 Bay Slatted House.
The Dry Shed looks like a Ready Mix of circa 20 m cubed. ( Probably 30 N ) No grant.
Can someone please give me an idea as to what might be the best price for Concrete Readymix per cubic meter excluding the Vat?
If any recommendations on steel Suppliers I would be grateful as it's a big undertaking for a Suckler Farm.

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Thanks to Super Tortoise for giving me an Indicative Price of Concrete.

Can anyone give a guesstimate on the Steel? ( Supply Steel Framing & Steel Purloins )
On the Labour, as in Put up & Take down Shutterting Pans? Put in all rebars, foundation & Walls ............ Stand all the Steel.
Pour Foundations, Pour Walls & Floor.
Put up all Cladding.
Hang Sliding Door etc.

Rough Pricing, Steel Suppliers, etc would be helpful.
Many thanks.
Pat H

Track9

The Dry Shed we needed to build is.
40 x 20 Feet.
21 feet to the top of A Roof. ( need to store round bales hay/straw )
19 ft approx to the eaves.

All concrete 30 Newtons. ( trying to keep it simple )
Walls 8 inches 4 feet high mass concrete.
Floors 4 or 6 inches deep.
Standard Re-Bar on everything.
1 x 10/12 ft Sliding Door.

Would appreciate someone's help in getting some guesstimates.
Many Thanks.

have2flushtwice

as good a place as any to ask this question...
1 metre cube of readymix, at 4 inches or 100mm deep, will cover 10 metres square. does that sound right?

Thanks