Building a shed

Reggie.

Right you clever lot.

If you were to bolt a shed to the ground how deep do the concrete pads have to be?

Say a 40 x 40 A frame shed

Cavanjack

Reggie. wrote: »

Right you clever lot.

If you were to bolt a shed to the ground how deep do the concrete pads have to be?

Say a 40 x 40 A frame shed

I’d go grant spec so 600x600x600

Tonynewholland

Reggie. wrote: »

Right you clever lot.

If you were to bolt a shed to the ground how deep do the concrete pads have to be?

Say a 40 x 40 A frame shed

If there’s a wall going in just run the foundation. I only ever went 300 deep but on shale here

Reggie.

Tonynewholland wrote: »

If there’s a wall going in just run the foundation. I only ever went 300 deep but on shale here

Not sure how I'm building it yet tbh. Just checking my options.

Thinking of just a machinery shed so might just sheet it to the bottom.

Thinking of buying the steel frame now as there is a price increase threatened

Reggie.

Reggie. wrote: »

Not sure how I'm building it yet tbh. Just checking my options.

Thinking of just a machinery shed so might just sheet it to the bottom.

Thinking of buying the steel frame now as there is a price increase threatened

If your putting any sort of tools/lighter machinery/spares/diesel tanks etc in it.....id be only sheeting down to 6ft

,lads around here are known to screw out sheeting and carry off stuff,a wall they'll have to lift over......plus its a personal preference for me aswel,think it adds a nice finish to a shed vs sheeting to ground

davidk1394

If it was me I'd go 3ft wide by 1ft deep bolt the pillars to it and a 6ft wall around the pillars then.

Dunedin

Reggie. wrote: »

Not sure how I'm building it yet tbh. Just checking my options.

Thinking of just a machinery shed so might just sheet it to the bottom.

Thinking of buying the steel frame now as there is a price increase threatened

Wouldn’t consider for a second sheeting to ground. 6 foot block or mass concrete is the best job and bolt to foundation. It’ll go no where.

Over time sheeting will get hit with machinery and be knocked out here and there. Not secure either to unwanted visitors. Wall better all round job.

SuperTortoise

Reggie. wrote: »

Not sure how I'm building it yet tbh. Just checking my options.

Thinking of just a machinery shed so might just sheet it to the bottom.

Thinking of buying the steel frame now as there is a price increase threatened

I was told it had gone up 90euro/ton lately.

Good loser

Dunedin wrote: »

Wouldn’t consider for a second sheeting to ground. 6 foot block or mass concrete is the best job and bolt to foundation. It’ll go no where.

Over time sheeting will get hit with machinery and be knocked out here and there. Not secure either to unwanted visitors. Wall better all round job.

I'd favour mass concrete over a block wall.

DBK1

Cavanjack wrote: »

I’d go grant spec so 600x600x600

If you’re not going to be putting walls or concrete floors in it straight after building I’d be doing it this way as well.

If walls and floor are going in then as Davidk1394 said will be perfect.

Some lads put the foundation in a bit lower than finished floor level, maybe 200mm or so. When walls are poured and floor in then the pillars are bolted down 200mm in the ground. Super job and never moving anywhere then.

DBK1

Good loser wrote: »

I'd favour mass concrete over a block wall.

Definitely, very little difference in cost and no comparison when it comes to strength. I wouldn’t even consider a block wall, mass concrete all the way.

mengele

davidk1394 wrote: »

If it was me I'd go 3ft wide by 1ft deep bolt the pillars to it and a 6ft wall around the pillars then.

Would one foot deep be enough? What steel would you be putting in the concrete?

The Rabbi

The last shed built here they dug 3ft X 3ft and 2ft deep,poured 1ft of concrete in and two weeks later they bolted the pillars in.Then the pads were topped up as the floor was poured.

davidk1394

mengele wrote: »

Would one foot deep be enough? What steel would you be putting in the concrete?

That's what was done here for the parlor. Rebar went into the foundations. It's built on solid ground so theres no worry of it sinking.

_Brian

I appreciate the advice above is good, but on a 40,40 shed like Reggie suggested, how much additional cost are mass concrete walls up to 6ft going to add.

mengele

Just for arguement sake. With a 40ft x 40ft machinery shed- what should you expect to fit in? Would it be full with 3 tractors attached to a 18ft silage trailer parked side by side. WOuld you have any space in front of each tractor lets say if you wanted to park a fert spinner or a mounted sprayer etc?

Dunedin

_Brian wrote: »

I appreciate the advice above is good, but on a 40,40 shed like Reggie suggested, how much additional cost are mass concrete walls up to 6ft going to add.

Not an awful lot but it’s ‘do it right do it once’ scenario.

_Brian

Dunedin wrote: »

Not an awful lot but it’s ‘do it right do it once’ scenario.

Interesting, I’d have thought it would add significantly to the cost.

Tonynewholland

Dunedin wrote: »

Not an awful lot but it’s ‘do it right do it once’ scenario.

I’ve seen precast walls going in too where it’s hard to get shuttering work done.

lakill Farm

Reggie. wrote: »

Right you clever lot.

If you were to bolt a shed to the ground how deep do the concrete pads have to be?

Say a 40 x 40 A frame shed

€3200 for a 48x40x14ft frame only the other day when I ordered

mengele

lakill Farm wrote: »

€3200 for a 48x40x14ft frame only the other day when I ordered

Thats not too bad. Do you know what rsj sizes are being used? Are they cross bracing?

lakill Farm

mengele wrote: »

Thats not too bad. Do you know what rsj sizes are being used? Are they cross bracing?

8x4 and cross bracing in 1 bay

that's plus vat and collection

Going to do the foundations and use 17ft 9 not 15ft 9 timbers and rejog the X brace so 2 items can be parked in the 1 bay as most trailers are 8ft or less and a 15ft 9 can be tight

Tonynewholland

lakill Farm wrote: »

8x4 and cross bracing in 1 bay

that's plus vat and collection

Going to do the foundations and use 17ft 9 not 15ft 9 timbers and rejog the X brace so 2 items can be parked in the 1 bay as most trailers are 8ft or less and a 15ft 9 can be tight

You should use 7” timber if you going over the 15ft 9

Cavanjack

Tonynewholland wrote: »

You should use 7” timber if you going over the 15ft 9

What about using steel purlins and go with a 20’ bay when you are at it?

The Nutty M

_Brian wrote: »

I appreciate the advice above is good, but on a 40,40 shed like Reggie suggested, how much additional cost are mass concrete walls up to 6ft going to add.

1 cube of concrete will go around 2.7metres in length for an 1800mm x 200mm wall.
So Reggies 40x40 shed would take roughly 16 cubes of concrete to do the walls if 5.4metres is taken out for a roller door and pedestrian door.

Readymix per cube I'm gonna take €75 inc VAT as another rough figure.
16 cubes is €1200 plus forms and men,I'd take a stab at €2200.

What the price against blocks would be i don't know but I'd suspect it'll be dearer overall when you flatten the block wall with the weights you forgot were on. And then have to rebuild.


I bought two sheds just before Christmas,one kit form shed and the other one is steel only. The price went up by nearly 6% just before the new year. I'm interested to see which will be the cheapest when everything is added together.

Tonynewholland

Cavanjack wrote: »

What about using steel purlins and go with a 20’ bay when you are at it?

I’ve never priced them myself so don’t know how they compare but for a machinery shed I’d say they are a great job

dzer2

Tonynewholland wrote: »

I’ve never priced them myself so don’t know how they compare but for a machinery shed I’d say they are a great job

Brilliant for Machinery shed.

Just if you a doing a 20ft spam you need to weld on the lug for the support brace that will be required

Dunedin

Cavanjack wrote: »

What about using steel purlins and go with a 20’ bay when you are at it?

I have steel purlins on a 22’ span in shed here. Done about 13 years and still standing anyways!!

lab man

Tonynewholland wrote: »

I’ve never priced them myself so don’t know how they compare but for a machinery shed I’d say they are a great job

Done a shed here 28 ft purlins rsj

Good loser

I would expect a 225mm cavity wall plastered to cost more than a 200mm mass concrete. Faster too.

mengele

lakill Farm wrote: »

€3200 for a 48x40x14ft frame only the other day when I ordered

Have you any idea on what your expecting the timber purlins and sheeting to be costing you? Is it a 3 bay it is? Will the door be located at the 40ft side?

lakill Farm

Cavanjack wrote: »

What about using steel purlins and go with a 20’ bay when you are at it?

I don't have the 60ft unfortunately

lakill Farm

mengele wrote: »

Have you any idea on what your expecting the timber purlins and sheeting to be costing you? Is it a 3 bay it is? Will the door be located at the 40ft side?

No im going to sheet it to 6ft walls approx. on the back and 2 gables. Leaving the 48 or 54ft open and sometime put up sliding doors or roller door so suit

mythos110

lakill Farm wrote: »

8x4 and cross bracing in 1 bay

that's plus vat and collection

Going to do the foundations and use 17ft 9 not 15ft 9 timbers and rejog the X brace so 2 items can be parked in the 1 bay as most trailers are 8ft or less and a 15ft 9 can be tight

I just finished a 66 x 30 ft lean to with an additional 6ft canopy at the front (long side). Its for machinery only with 22ft bays so steel purlins. Honestly the thoughts of trying to squeeze stuff into 15ft9 or 17ft9 just doesnt make sense. I can throw the low loader/cattle trailer etc in side by side and can walk around to check tyres etc before use. One mistake by rubbing machines off each other over the life of the shed would easily pay for the wider bays if you can afford to give it the space.

My shed has concrete floor and 5ft walls. Total cost was €22,824 incl vat which includes a few sockets and 4x LED twin flourescents.

lakill Farm

I would be thinking the likes of a 8ft wide agri trailer etc and beside it the likes of an ifor Williams trailer of the digger or something like post driver or stuff like that

Im only bringing air and power to one point in the centre of the middle bay and putting it on a rewind dispenser. and a stip LED in each bay

I hope to do foundations (not a floor yet) , walls , shed up without doors and power and air and hire a teleporter for under 12k incl vat

mythos110 wrote: »

I just finished a 66 x 30 ft lean to with an additional 6ft canopy at the front (long side). Its for machinery only with 22ft bays so steel purlins. Honestly the thoughts of trying to squeeze stuff into 15ft9 or 17ft9 just doesnt make sense. I can through the low loader/cattle trailer etc in side by side and can walk around to check tyres etc before use. One mistake by rubbing machines off each other over the life of the shed would easily pay for the wider bays if you can afford to give it the space.

My shed has concrete floor and 5ft walls. Total cost was €22,824 incl vat which includes a few sockets and 4x LED twin flourescents.

mythos110

Should also mention my shed was about 13ft at the low side of the lean-to to allow silage trailers to the back wall. I think you might do well to get it all done at that price to be honest but more power to you if you do. Any shed is a good investment in my book

lakill Farm

mythos110 wrote: »

Should also mention my shed was about 13ft at the low side of the lean-to to allow silage trailers to the back wall. I think you might do well to get it all done at that price to be honest but more power to you if you do. Any shed is a good investment in my book

im going 14ft pillars

floor and doors will add another 6-10k easy and plaster the walls sometime

we will see what happens sure

mythos110

Thats it. Easy to sort out after. I went with shuttered walls in case someone gets over zealous with reversing in a trailer. I have an existing A-frame shed for machinery and its a pain in the ass having to move everything out to get at something towards the back. That said its great for locking up the tools etc. The new shed is purely for the longer stuff and tractors/digger etc that each has its own spot it backs into and can be easily moved without having to spend half the day moving things around. Best of luck with it anyway.

lakill Farm

mythos110 wrote: »

Thats it. Easy to sort out after. I went with shuttered walls in case someone gets over zealous with reversing in a trailer. I have an existing A-frame shed for machinery and its a pain in the ass having to move everything out to get at something towards the back. That said its great for locking up the tools etc. The new shed is purely for the longer stuff and tractors/digger etc that each has its own spot it backs into and can be easily moved without having to spend half the day moving things around. Best of luck with it anyway.

you also

Stick up pictures when you get a chance please

Reggie.

Got a price today on a shed.

33ft x 35ft shed. 12ft to the eaves
8 x 4 steel.
Primed and painted
All steel purlins for roof and one row on the side.

€4500 including vat.

No sheet work.

Thought it wasnt a bad price.

mengele

Reggie. wrote: »

Got a price today on a shed.

33ft x 35ft shed. 12ft to the eaves
8 x 4 steel.
Primed and painted
All steel purlins for roof and one row on the side.

€4500 including vat.

No sheet work.

Thought it wasnt a bad price.

Would you not go a bit longer? Doubt with that length you could fit a tractor attached to a slurry tank into it without the bum of the slurry tank being outside?

Reggie.

mengele wrote: »

Would you not go a bit longer? Doubt with that length you could fit a tractor attached to a slurry tank into it without the bum of the slurry tank being outside?

I'm at my limit at that. Literally using every square inch of the area I have left to git that in

ADKELMAC

Looking at building a shed at the moment.
Level site, good access.
47’x 30’. 12’ to the eaves

Option 1:
Price :€17,000 + vat
Contractor doing all the work.
Foundations
8 x 4 steel
8’ shuttered walls down the two 47’ sides
8’ shuttered wall on one gable.
Vented sheeting to the walls
One gable open.
Shed floor poured (unsure of depth, assuming 6”)

Option 2:
Same shed size
€9,000 + vat

I prepare the foundations
Contractor supplies and stands shed, sheeting included
No walls
No floor

Reggie.

ADKELMAC wrote: »

Looking at building a shed at the moment.
Level site, good access.
47’x 30’. 12’ to the eaves

Option 1:
Price :€17,000 + vat
Contractor doing all the work.
Foundations
8 x 4 steel
8’ shuttered walls down the two 47’ sides
8’ shuttered wall on one gable.
Vented sheeting to the walls
One gable open.
Shed floor poured (unsure of depth, assuming 6”)

Option 2:
Same shed size
€9,000 + vat

I prepare the foundations
Contractor supplies and stands shed, sheeting included
No walls
No floor

Nearly double the price for the concrete

ADKELMAC

Reggie. wrote: »

Nearly double the price for the concrete

47 cubic meters I estimate.

7 for foundations
20 ish for walls
20 ish for the floor

ADKELMAC

ADKELMAC wrote: »

47 cubic meters I estimate.

7 for foundations
20 ish for walls
20 ish for the floor

Maybe a bit more,1-2 cubes

Grueller

ADKELMAC wrote: »

Maybe a bit more,1-2 cubes

€8k extra for the concrete. Say 50 metres for talks sake. 50 x €75 = €3750. Hire of shutters for the job plus striking oil, ties etc say €1000. Digger to level and dig foundations say €500.

That is €5250. I am estimating slightly high everywhere. Saving of €2750 for not massive work, IF you have help at home and a good tractor loader combo or a telehandler to move shutters and fill them. If not the contractor is the way to go.

have2flushtwice

I havent built a shed but following this thread as I intend in a lean to for some small machines.
I don't doubt the prices given but it's a lot of money.

Anyone care to put up pictures of a shed they have built that didn't cost a fortune?

in my example I've a few girders around the yard. I intend to use a corner b3tween a wall and an existing shed.door, if it's lucky will be a gate with galvanize ten screwed. the yard is secure but nothing is guaranteed....

Stihl waters

Steel prices are expected to rise by 25 percent in next few weeks due to shortages, that's coming from a welder I know in galway area, I've a shed to build myself and he'll be doing it for me so he told me order the steel asap

Vittu

Stainless steel already increased by 20%.

enricoh

Bought steel today n nearly got a heart attack. All steel up 30-40% since the new year , cladding up 50%. Any time in the last year or two I bought timber it had taken a hike too, big shortage of it here.
U'd want to be sitting down pricing sheds now I'd say!