What does the future hold for Donald Trump? - threadbans in OP

briany

Overheal wrote: »

Taken over. A party with compromised morals, by someone even more Machiavellian

The funny thing is that people like Ted Cruz and Josh Hawley are lining up to run on the Trump ticket, but neither are a 1/10th of what makes Trump Trump. They can sing the greatest hits, but they don't have that unique chimera of characteristics, the bullish ignorance, the ability to riff, the long, long history of being a kind of cultural icon. Hawley's a stuffed suit. A pencil neck. Cruz was completely emasculated by Trump in the 2016 primary in a notably brutal way. There's no way he can ever be a strongman to the Republican base, because they know that he's far too spineless. Doesn't matter how big a beard he grows.

But they see the potential for power, and it must be unbelievably enticing. It would absolutely kill the both of them to have to row in behind Trump once again for 2024, but it's a complete catch-22. Democratically-speaking, they're screwed with or without Trump because with Trump, you have a very tough ask to get him re-elected, given how he's carried on the last 4 years. That's easy fodder for the Democrats to energise their own base and all the neutrals. Without him, you're looking at a damaging political schism. So, in the short term, I don't know how the Republicans go about getting the presidency back, other than facilitating a better-organised version of what went on during January 6th.

Billy Mays

I see there's a video has emerged of Taylor Greene harrassing one of the Parkland school shooting survivors as he's walking on the street

A real piece of human garbage that woman

Professor Moriarty

Billy Mays wrote: »

I see there's a video has emerged of Taylor Greene harrassing one of the Parkland school shooting survivors as he's walking on the street

A real piece of human garbage that woman

Here it is. Even worse than you'd expect.

David Hogg is the person she is talking to. Here is his experience of school shootings:

On February 14, 2018, Hogg was a senior at Stoneman Douglas and on campus when a 19-year-old former student of the school entered Building 12 and started shooting with a semi-automatic rifle after pulling the fire alarm. Hogg, who was in his AP environmental science class, told the teacher that the repeated "pop" sounds the class heard sounded like gunshots. Hogg and other students made an attempt to exit the building, but a janitor instructed the students to go back into the classroom. Hogg credits the janitor for saving them, as the group of students were inadvertently heading towards the shooter. A culinary arts teacher pulled Hogg and others inside her classroom and they hid in a closet

Hogg checked social media and discovered that the shooting was occurring at his high school in real time. He used his cell phone to record the scene, to interview the other students hiding in the closet, and to leave a record in the event that they did not survive the shooting. Hogg's sister, Lauren Hogg, who was a freshman student at the time, corresponded with her brother via text message while the shooting was taking place. After about an hour, SWAT team police officers came into the classroom and escorted them out. Hogg reunited with his sister and father later that day.

Billy Mays

I remember that Ingraham one off Fox revelling in the fact that young Hogg didn't get the grades he needed to go to his preferred university

These people are sick

Professor Moriarty

Billy Mays wrote: »

I remember that Ingraham one off Fox revelling in the fact that young Hogg didn't get the grades he needed to go to his preferred university

These people are sick

That ilk are incapable of decency. Just shrill hyperbole. Gotta keep the viewing numbers up.

Hogg is regularly targeted by both the GOP, Fox and other right wing outlets. It's particularly nasty abuse too.

Tony EH

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

Here it is. Even worse than you'd expect.

What an absolute cunt.

Where would you get off in harassing a young lad, who was nearly wasted by some psycho, like that.

SMH.


That young fella did the right thing. Don't even engage with someone like that.

everlast75

Billy Mays wrote: »

I see there's a video has emerged of Taylor Greene harrassing one of the Parkland school shooting survivors as he's walking on the street

A real piece of human garbage that woman

This is the politician a certain poster was defending earlier...

extra gravy

everlast75 wrote: »

This is the politician a certain poster was defending earlier...

https://twitter.com/HillaryClinton/status/1354461476451463175?s=19

Billy Mays

everlast75 wrote: »

This is the politician a certain poster was defending earlier...

Wanting stricter gun control after watching your mates being slaughtered in their classroom is simply the opposite side of the same coin as the QAnon crowd

briany

extra gravy wrote: »

https://twitter.com/HillaryClinton/status/1354461476451463175?s=19

Predictable replies to this, and probably to anything Hillary posts, i.e.

"Well, YOU should be in jail!"

:rolleyes:

everlast75

everlast75 wrote: »

This is the politician a certain poster was defending earlier...

If this is aimed at me you obviously lack basic enough comprehension skills..I disregarded CNN as a news source..I didn't defend anyone..I have never heard of this woman.. You were trying to put words in my mouth..I just refused to accept CNN as a reasonable news source..

Tell me how

Deleted User wrote: »

If this is aimed at me you obviously lack basic enough comprehension skills..I disregarded CNN as a news source..I didn't defend anyone..I have never heard of this woman.. You were trying to put words in my mouth..I just refused to accept CNN as a reasonable news source..

You suggested CNN is comparable to Qanon which is simply and completely false.

But, leaving that aside, given you so vehemently disregard them, who do you respect and value as an good source of news?

briany

Tell me how wrote: »

You suggested CNN is comparable to Qanon which is simply and completely false.

But, leaving that aside, given you so vehemently disregard them, who do you respect and value as an good source of news?

Let's break this down as succinctly as possible.

People say that CNN et al are fake news.

Same people say their Facebook pages and Twitter feeds are giving them facts.

This is despite the above having no standards to adhere to factual reporting. No real accountability for spreading complete misinformation.

Have they considered that what they consider facts is simply the information, or misinformation, that they want to hear?

Tell me how

Tell me how wrote: »

You suggested CNN is comparable to Qanon which is simply and completely false.

But, leaving that aside, given you so vehemently disregard them, who do you respect and value as an good source of news?

I said they were both irrational to the point of comedy..

CNN literally stood in front of a burning building and said it was mostly peaceful..

Infowars..

That was a joke obviously before ye all melt down..

Professor Moriarty

Deleted User wrote: »

I said they were both irrational to the point of comedy..

CNN literally stood in front of a burning building and said it was mostly peaceful..

Infowars..

You also believe that the election was a farce and that Biden didn't win the election......so your news sources might be a little off the beaten track.

briany

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

You also believe that the election was a farce and that Biden didn't win the election......so your news sources might be a little off the beaten track.

On The Donald Trump Show on the BBC, a friend of Trump's claimed that Trump said to him, "I can stand to lose when I know I've left it all on the field. What I cannot stand is to be cheated."

The problem with this is that Trump routinely claims to have been cheated whenever he loses. Has he ever actually held his hands up and gone, "Well, the better man won, there!"?

It's like a perfectly elegant narcissistic mechanism. You can claim to be a good loser, so you're seen a decent person. But (in your own mind) you never actually have to test this because whenever you do lose, you can claim you were cheated, which gives you a coping strategy.

And Trump's followers have swallowed this line of thinking, hook, line & sinker.

No amount of being humiliated in court will convince them otherwise. Sad.

Professor Moriarty

briany wrote: »

On The Donald Trump Show on the BBC, a friend of Trump's claimed that Trump said to him, "I can stand to lose when I know I've left it all on the field. What I cannot stand is to be cheated."

The problem with this is that Trump routinely claims to have been cheated whenever he loses. Has he ever actually held his hands up and gone, "Well, the better man won, there!"?

It's like a perfectly elegant narcissistic mechanism. You can claim to be a good loser, so you're seen a decent person. But (in your own mind) you never actually have to test this because whenever you do lose, you can claim you were cheated, which gives you a coping strategy.

And Trump's followers have swallowed this line of thinking, hook, line & sinker.

No amount of being humiliated in court will convince them otherwise. Sad.

Well, when you consider that 56% of Republicans believe that QAnon theories are partly true (23%) or mostly true (33%) then you are fighting a losing battle with over a quarter of American voters. The ones who think Trump is a force for good.

duploelabs

[Deleted User] wrote: »

That was a joke obviously before ye all melt down..

So jokes aside, who would you consider to be a trustworthy source?

duploelabs

duploelabs wrote: »

So jokes aside, who would you consider to be a trustworthy source?

Honestly, you just have to be aware of their biases when watching any news..

You have to be aware of what is being said, what is not being said..how things are being framed..

StupidLikeAFox

Tbf CNN isn't fake news but it does have a bias, the same way fox isn't fake news but still report news/stories from a Conservative point of view

ohnonotgmail

StupidLikeAFox wrote: »

Tbf CNN isn't fake news but it does have a bias, the same way fox isn't fake news but still report news/stories from a Conservative point of view

Fox News maybe their opinion shows are thrash

MadYaker

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Honestly, you just have to be aware of their biases when watching any news..

You have to be aware of what is being said, what is not being said..how things are being framed..

Yet you said a few posts earlier that you disregard CNN just because they’re CNN.

briany

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

Well, when you consider that 56% of Republicans believe that QAnon theories are partly true (23%) or mostly true (33%) then you are fighting a losing battle with over a quarter of American voters. The ones who think Trump is a force for good.

When you start off with the basic assumption that Trump is good, then it follows that anything which challenges this assumption must be a lie.

MadYaker

MadYaker wrote: »

Yet you said a few posts earlier that you disregard CNN just because they’re CNN.

I do at this stage, yeah..

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Deleted User wrote: »

Honestly, you just have to be aware of their biases when watching any news..

You have to be aware of what is being said, what is not being said..how things are being framed..

The fact that you;ve now dodged the question twice tells me you don't really want to say.

Professor Moriarty

briany wrote: »

When you start off with the basic assumption that Trump is good, then it follows that anything which challenges this assumption must be a lie.

Yes, this is core to cult psychology. Blind faith and belief.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

The fact that you;ve now dodged the question twice tells me you don't really want to say.

??..I don't really completely trust any news..

Except OAN maybe..or the daily sport..

Tony EH

Deleted User wrote: »

Honestly, you just have to be aware of their biases when watching any news..

You have to be aware of what is being said, what is not being said..how things are being framed..

Maybe you'd be better off being aware of your own bias and how you're framing things yourself.