Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VIII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

Whatsisname

ypres5 wrote: »

sky news we're borderline farcical last night hammering home the 100k figure, they started going on about how it's the same population as the city of bath and what'd be like if everyone in the city died of covid. then it finished with a photoshopped image of bath lying in ruins. I burst out laughing at that point

Never forget Sky News had Kate Winslett on in March to tell us how to deal with a pandemic because she starred in a movie about one. I was sad she was never on the following night to tell me how to survive a cruise ship sinking.

uli84

Boggles wrote: »

It terrifies me that 10 months in, you think this is still a disease that only effects the "over 80s".

77% of people admitted to ICU in the last 2 weeks have published data have been 74 or younger.

33% are 25 to 54.

Was talking about deaths there, i well know whom covid can affect as numerous people I know already had it by now.

pjohnson

[Deleted User] wrote: »

It’s strange how badly people want this to effect young people when every stat and every shred of evidence shows otherwise.

Thats very true. There was someone a few days ago (Jacmaniel maybe? can't remember) who said that home schooling/online learning was causing kids to suffer and fall behind. Thankfully someone who knows whats ACTUALLY happening was able to correct him.

Boggles

uli84 wrote: »

Was talking about deaths there

You don't judge the overall harm of a pandemic solely by deaths.

But, 50 people who died in those 2 weeks were between 35 and 74.

Restrictions prevent scale.

That figure is not static.

Captain_Crash

pjohnson wrote: »

Thats very true. There was someone a few days ago (Jacmaniel maybe? can't remember) who said that home schooling/online learning was causing kids to suffer and fall behind. Thankfully someone who knows whats ACTUALLY happening was able to correct him.

That discussion was schools being closed which the poster discussed how online learning works. In fact the poster acknowledged that what’s happening now is not perfect! I can speak from experience with my own son that he’s falling behind despite everyone from his teacher to myself and his mother doing our best, or do you not think that parents at home with the kids all day don’t know what’s ACTUALLY happening??

pjohnson

pjohnson wrote: »

Thats very true. There was someone a few days ago (Jacmaniel maybe? can't remember) who said that home schooling/online learning was causing kids to suffer and fall behind. Thankfully someone who knows whats ACTUALLY happening was able to correct him.

A lot of kids are suffering and falling behind...
There is a group of about 20 teens out on the green in front of my house right now playing football.

Maybe the teacher told them it’s PE time?

Boggles

Boggles wrote: »

You don't judge the overall harm of a pandemic solely by deaths.

But, 50 people who died in those 2 weeks were between 35 and 74.

Restrictions prevent scale.

That figure is not static.

Between 35 and 74 lol!
Can you be more specific?
How many were less than 40?

You’re getting close to breaking out the long Covid card.

Ginger n Lemon

I have a 15 year old niece.

She hates remote working. says its very boring. there is borderline 0 social interaction with other classmates as all on mute. Literally might as well just watch recorded lecturers. interaction is non existent



Nobody can correct me on this lol. Its a fact.

PS when children are bored..... its very naive to think productivity is high.



PPS guess what she does after 5 pm? goes and meets classmates and hangs out .... shocking stuff isnt it?

froog

Lundstram wrote: »

Under 1000 cases today, over 8,000 not two weeks ago. More restrictions and extended lockdown needed was the decision on foot of that massive effort and improvement.

Very demotivating. Why would you bother locking yourself away if that’s the reward you get?

Go out and enjoy your life. You only get one.

the "reward" is less people dying. if that doesn't "motivate" you i am at a loss for words to be honest. would you like a good boy sticker maybe? a little covid warrior pin?

FintanMcluskey

beauf wrote: »

They can't think of the bigger picture here. That if they fall off their high horse and need a ICU bed there isn't any. It's full of people who said to hell with washing their hands while off for a pint in a shebeen.

Didn’t 800 people in hospital this month contract the disease in hospital? Or other reports suggest 50% of those in hospital contracted the disease in hospital?

So with 90,000 cases this month we are not far off a 1% community transmission hospitalisation rate.

Not forgetting the close contacts not tested for weeks this pushing the positive case figure likely much higher.

Also remember seeing last year the survival rate for nursing home patients is over 70%.

I just still struggle to be convinced to see the cost effectiveness of long term stay at home orders and business closures.

froog

froog wrote: »

the "reward" is less people dying. if that doesn't "motivate" you i am at a loss for words to be honest. would you like a good boy sticker maybe? a little covid warrior pin?

Slightly less people dying with Covid perhaps.

Still lots of people dying each day.

Boggles

Deleted User wrote: »

Between 35 and 74 lol!
Can you be more specific?
How many were less than 40?

You’re getting close to breaking out the long Covid card.

Again, pretty telling. I guess you are younger than 40?

Pandemic Denial is usually from fear, ignorance or selfishness.

Sometimes all 3.

francogarbanzo

froog wrote: »

the "reward" is less people dying. if that doesn't "motivate" you i am at a loss for words to be honest. would you like a good boy sticker maybe? a little covid warrior pin?

Wasn't the whole point of lockdown to not prevent cases and deaths? But simply to spread them out so that health services don't completely collapse?

At some point we went from "flatten the curve!" to "completely eliminate the curve!" and I don't think that's a realistic aim.

FintanMcluskey

Boggles wrote: »

Pandemic Denial is usually from fear, ignorance or selfishness.

Sometimes all 3.

Denial of the sunk costs of severe mitigation measures can be attributed to the exact same causes.

Usually more so personal fear of the virus dressed up as concern for others

Boggles

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Denial of the sunk costs of severe mitigation measures can be attributed to the exact same causes.

Usually more so personal fear of the virus dressed up as concern for others

Again, a remedial view, the alternative will have a greater cost and less value.

Value is more important than cost.

Lundstram

froog wrote: »

the "reward" is less people dying. if that doesn't "motivate" you i am at a loss for words to be honest. would you like a good boy sticker maybe? a little covid warrior pin?

Sure I’ll sell the car today in case I or someone might die in a crash.

Give up the job aswell in case I pass on a flu to someone and it eventually kills someone.

No more holidays either, always a threat of a plane plunging to the ground killing hundreds.

Bad food too, booze, the odd fag in case the second hand smoke causes cancer.

Giving up the football too, can’t be too careful of hurting someone or myself. Could have a heart attack on the pitch too or someone else might. Just cancel all sport forever to be ultra safe.

All public transport must cease now. Always a threat of buses or trains crashing and killing everyone.

No more sex either, might catch an sti or worse, HIV and die.

Farming must stop now. Most dangerous occupation in the country. Let’s eat grass and water instead.

Gotta save all those lives.

*boards up front door*

Boggles

Boggles wrote: »

Again, pretty telling. I guess you are younger than 40?

Pandemic Denial is usually from fear, ignorance or selfishness.

Sometimes all 3.

Nobody denies the pandemic but show me evidence that there is a strong chance of death or serious illness for those under 50?

And I want to see figures. Not percentages of tiny numbers.

Ginger n Lemon

Boggles wrote: »

Again, a remedial view, the alternative will have a greater cost and less value.

Value is more important than cost.

How can you say that given that cost benefit analysis of our lockdown has not been conducted by the govt, let alone presented to the public?

froog

Lundstram wrote: »

Sure I’ll sell the car today in case I or someone might die in a crash.

Give up the job aswell in case I pass on a flu to someone and it eventually kills someone.

No more holidays either, always a threat of a plane plunging to the ground killing hundreds.

Bad food too, booze, the odd fag in case the second hand smoke causes cancer.

Giving up the football too, can’t be too careful of hurting someone or myself. Could have a heart attack on the pitch too or someone else might. Just cancel all sport forever to be ultra safe.

All public transport must cease now. Always a threat of buses or trains crashing and killing everyone.

No more sex either, might catch an sti or worse, HIV and die.

Farming must stop now. Most dangerous occupation in the country. Let’s eat grass and water instead.

Gotta save all those lives.

*boards up front door*

what a hard man you are. i'm sure you'd be fine if you got covid. others? not so much. i know that concept is completely lost on you though so carry on.

SheepsClothing

francogarbanzo wrote: »

Wasn't the whole point of lockdown to not prevent cases and deaths? But simply to spread them out so that health services don't completely collapse?

At some point we went from "flatten the curve!" to "completely eliminate the curve!" and I don't think that's a realistic aim.

They figured out that if you flatten the curve insufficiently, when you open up, your curve quickly goes to **** again, leaving you back where you started. You have to crush it.

Responder XY

SheepsClothing wrote: »

They figured out that if you flatten the curve insufficiently, when you open up, your curve quickly goes to **** again, leaving you back where you started. You have to crush it.

They'll figure out next that it can't be crushed without intolerable conditions. Then we'll also be back to square 1. Learning to live with this is the only way. Vaccine can assist, but we still need to learn to live with it.

Boggles

Deleted User wrote: »

Nobody denies the pandemic .

In private probably not. On the self imposed echo chambers of social media, certainly.

The truth is I imagine restrictions have very little if any tangible effect on their lives, the majority having checked out some time ago.

If they weren't ranting and raving about "Casedemics", it would be Refugees or "uppity bitches" who dared share an opinion.

I use to think education and debate was the way forward with those types, but I learned I might as well be trying to fúck a door knob.

BENDYBINN

Lundstram wrote: »

Sure I’ll sell the car today in case I or someone might die in a crash.

Give up the job aswell in case I pass on a flu to someone and it eventually kills someone.

No more holidays either, always a threat of a plane plunging to the ground killing hundreds.

Bad food too, booze, the odd fag in case the second hand smoke causes cancer.

Giving up the football too, can’t be too careful of hurting someone or myself. Could have a heart attack on the pitch too or someone else might. Just cancel all sport forever to be ultra safe.

All public transport must cease now. Always a threat of buses or trains crashing and killing everyone.

No more sex either, might catch an sti or worse, HIV and die.

Farming must stop now. Most dangerous occupation in the country. Let’s eat grass and water instead.

Gotta save all those lives.

*boards up front door*

Motor cars or sex didn’t kill 1000 Irish citizens this January ....grow up amaceen....

Responder XY

Responder XY wrote: »

They'll figure out next that it can't be crushed without intolerable conditions. Then we'll also be back to square 1. Learning to live with this is the only way. Vaccine can assist, but we still need to learn to live with it.

An adult conversation around death needs to take place soon or else we’ll always have posters like Froog suggesting that if we stop living we will be rewarded with less people dying.

Most people’s parents explain the concept of death to them at a young age. But 2020 was the year that lots forgot the lesson.

And now we have MM in the news giving out about social media pressure. Deep down he knows that this is b*llox.

Ginger n Lemon

SheepsClothing wrote: »

They figured out that if you flatten the curve insufficiently, when you open up, your curve quickly goes to **** again, leaving you back where you started. You have to crush it.

What will we crush it with? Hammer? :rolleyes:

froog

Deleted User wrote: »

An adult conversation around death needs to take place soon or else we’ll always have posters like Froog suggesting that if we stop living we will be rewarded with less people dying.

Most people’s parents explain the concept of death to them at a young age. But 2020 was the year that lots forgot the lesson.

And now we have MM in the news giving out about social media pressure. Deep down he knows that this is b*llox.

to be fair, you don't even understand how this virus is transmitted on a basic level. the idea that people staying away from each other will lead to less cases and hence less deaths seems completely beyond your comprehension.

francogarbanzo

Boggles wrote: »

The truth is I imagine restrictions have very little if any tangible effect on their lives, the majority having checked out some time ago.

I imagine that keeping an entire country confined to their homes for most of a year with no clear path forward is a good policy.

FintanMcluskey

BENDYBINN wrote: »

Motor cars or sex didn’t kill 1000 Irish citizens this January ....grow up amaceen....

Neither did Covid . . amaceen

Boggles

francogarbanzo wrote: »

I imagine that keeping an entire country confined to their homes for most of a year with no clear path forward is a good policy.

If you have been confined to your home for most of a year that is a personal choice.

Again it comes back to the point I made.

TomSweeney

Deleted User wrote: »

Slightly less people dying with Covid perhaps.

Still lots of people dying each day.

Exactly it's all about balance and trade offs, something the lockdown larrys and bunker bernies don't seem to get...