Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VIII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

Multipass

BellaBella wrote: »

Why not?

Joke. To illustrate that I am not going to think or worry in the slightest about catching covid

Boggles

The kids are suffering, open the pubs.

beauf

[Deleted User] wrote: »

100%. Front page of RTE News has a picture of candles beside the current death numbers. Where were the candles pre-Covid when similar amounts of old people of the same age were dying anyway? Crazy stuff.

Sad to think this type of emotional manipulation actually works on some people.

Well you're all saying this doesn't work on you, and you don't care about the deaths side of this. So that in effect is therefore irrelevant in this discussion. Not that deaths is the sole medical issue here. But you so can't see past the death issue. So those other issues are also irrelevant in this thread.

This is purely about how this effects you as an individual. So this thread is primarily about how people are effected economically. The mistake is thinking everyone is worse off. They aren't.

beauf

tdf7187 wrote: »

This is virtue-signalling, combined with the now common, but still appalling, assignation of base motives to challengers of the current policy.

The point the OP is making is that the lockdown is causing immense hardship, INCLUDING AS A RESULT OF UNTREATED HEALTH CONDITIONS OTHER THAN COVID. You can opt out of the debate, and choose to ignore the direct and indirect costs associated with the current strategy of dealing with the pandemic, but accusing others of not caring and being motivated simply by a selfish desire to go on holidays because they just want the issues debated is simply beneath contempt.

Maybe if you don't agree with the current policy's and are found to be breaking then. Then you should be put on a list, so be given lowest priority in a hospital if you need to use one. Regardless of why. Same with business's. If they are ignoring restrictions. They should be highlighted to the general public that this business is ignoring restrictions. If you think the majority will support you in your actions.

completedit

beauf wrote: »

Well you're all saying this doesn't work on you, and you don't care about the deaths side of this. So that in effect is therefore irrelevant in this discussion. Not that deaths is the sole medical issue here. But you so can't see past the death issue. So those other issues are also irrelevant in this thread.

This is purely about how this effects you as an individual. So this thread is primarily about how people are effected economically. The mistake is thinking everyone is worse off. They aren't.

We know that, and as soon as Covid start to affect them, I. e, parents, they were up in arms about the whole situation and acting like nobody has been put out at all over the past year.

agoodpunt

gradually ignoring vaccinations linking ease on restrictions just more and more harsher lockdown planning for the future society is finely broken "that what you got for opening at xmas" for two week this year it will be 2 days next, if anything especially if the vac's are not working.
Increasing fines for going outside with shorter distances mobile tracking and media reporting any voilations.
People need to voice there opposition to this blattant attack on liberties

Kunta Kinte

Penfailed wrote: »

Mandatory mask wearing is a restriction, social distancing is a restriction, nightclubs closed is a restriction, large scale events not happening is a restriction. Does this really still need spelled out at this stage?

It would seem that it does to quite a few here.

Wanderer78

Nothing stopping the government from borrowing, in order to support people's needs, until the virus moves on, they just won't

uli84

wakka12 wrote: »

Well only 0.5-1% of people who get it die so chances are it's unlikely most people would know anyone who died of it seeing as most of us probably know less than 100-200 who have had COVID

Right so, very small number, add to it the “over 80” age factor and it’s clear that such harsh restrictions are not well justified. It’s unbelievable that country development, its future, its economy, children’s education and well being is crippled and in fact lives of working age people is put on hold due to that. It terrifies me. I have over 20 years of type 1 diabetes on me but would never even think of this being the right thing to do.

weldoninhio

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Youve asked for it. :mad::mad::mad: HOW DARE YOU

You really think that having a good time while millions of people live like hermits -is a fair idea?

You need to stay at home, eat dominos, exercise outdoors, watch netflix. Until Leo or Dr Tony say otherwise.




on a more serious note - ofcourse bloody go. I hear Portugal has made these WFH zones with all the amenities and great great views of the sea + weather, minimum stay 1 month.

+1, A friend moved to Portugal when this was all starting to get away from Ireland's nonsense. His girls school only closed on Friday, so he had a great run at it. He reckons he'll stay there until Covid passes. Although he was in a restaurant in Madrid when he was texting us.

darconio

Penfailed wrote: »

Mandatory mask wearing is a restriction, social distancing is a restriction, nightclubs closed is a restriction, large scale events not happening is a restriction. Does this really still need spelled out at this stage?

And you are fine with that? Because if you tell me that in 12 months we are still at the stage that we need to wear masks, close pub and nightclubs, cancel concerts and events I will rest my case

agoodpunt

by borrowing does imply paying it back? who? when? with what?

mikekerry

Penfailed wrote: »

They had the 'Roaring Twenties' after the 1918 pandemic.

Problem with this compared to then is there will be no pubs/restaurants /events for people to go to by time things open up most will have shut for good!
There is very little chance non pub food pubs will be open this year NPHET will not allow that to happen.

completedit

agoodpunt wrote: »

by borrowing does imply paying it back? who? when? with what?

I don't see how we can come out or this. The IMF have come out and said austerity as a policy is done for. The alternative is to invest our way out of our financial hole and hope that inflation and economic growth combine to service the debt in the long run.

It's essentially a international system of interconnected creditors and debtors. Someone else's debt is someone else's credit. Eventually though the idea of debt will surely just become meaningless. What happens if we don't experience significant inflation levels? Do we essentially have a magic money tree or do they have to play pretend prudence?

Beasty

Threads merged[/B

Edit

Just to add, starting a new thread to evade threadbans is not a good idea

All those threadbanned from the Restrictions thread who posted in the new thread can no longer join that discussion

The_Brood

Agree with the OP. But what is extremely ironic and frustrating with the way the population has handled it is that:

A) They, as in the needed majority, have not actually abided by the social distancing restrictions, and the proof is in the numbers. The moment government relaxes anything and Dublin city center, parks, everything jammed like you are in a rock concert. 0 hope with all of that.

Yet at the same time we also haven't held the government accountable and demanded they be thrown out (and into prison if you ask me) and get someone new in with an actual plan that is willing to make good decisions, such as a zero covid strategy so that we can get back to life quicker.

So it's like....population is sheep enough to bow our collective heads and not object to Meehoe and Leo and Tony and all those headless fools... yet not at all compliant enough to actually go the distance and make the restrictions work.

It's the worst of both worlds, obedience yet sabotage at the same time. Everyone is failing everyone else.

beauf

mikekerry wrote: »

Problem with this compared to then is there will be no pubs/restaurants /events for people to go to by time things open up most will have shut for good!
There is very little chance non pub food pubs will be open this year NPHET will not allow that to happen.

Your theory being that once it's over and there is flood of spending. No one will open a pub, to rake it in.

Non food pubs have been in trouble for years long before Covid.

Boggles

uli84 wrote: »

Right so, very small number, add to it the “over 80” age factor and it’s clear that such harsh restrictions are not well justified. It’s unbelievable that country development, its future, its economy, children’s education and well being is crippled and in fact lives of working age people is put on hold due to that. It terrifies me. I have over 20 years of type 1 diabetes on me but would never even think of this being the right thing to do.

It terrifies me that 10 months in, you think this is still a disease that only effects the "over 80s".

77% of people admitted to ICU in the last 2 weeks have published data have been 74 or younger.

33% are 25 to 54.

beauf

The_Brood wrote: »

Agree with the OP. But what is extremely ironic and frustrating with the way the population has handled it is that:

A) They, as in the needed majority, have not actually abided by the social distancing restrictions, and the proof is in the numbers. The moment government relaxes anything and Dublin city center, parks, everything jammed like you are in a rock concert. 0 hope with all of that.

Yet at the same time we also haven't held the government accountable and demanded they be thrown out (and into prison if you ask me) and get someone new in with an actual plan that is willing to make good decisions, such as a zero covid strategy so that we can get back to life quicker.

So it's like....population is sheep enough to bow our collective heads and not object to Meehoe and Leo and Tony and all those headless fools... yet not at all compliant enough to actually go the distance and make the restrictions work.

It's the worst of both worlds, obedience yet sabotage at the same time. Everyone is failing everyone else.

I guess if you are in the minority the lesson in this thread is tough luck.

There's an irony in writing off the minority when it's not you, but complaining about it when it is you.

Penfailed

darconio wrote: »

And you are fine with that? Because if you tell me that in 12 months we are still at the stage that we need to wear masks, close pub and nightclubs, cancel concerts and events I will rest my case

Where did I say I was fine with it? Getting back to my original point, has anyone that posted last night saying we'll be locked down until Christmas and beyond got any evidence of that? I use the term lockdown, as that's what they've used. Restrictions such as mask wearing/social distancing/closed nightclubs/no large scale events, are not comparable to lockdown. Lockdown is a restriction of movement such as the 5km rule.

What case are you resting?

weldoninhio

Deleted User wrote: »

100%. Front page of RTE News has a picture of candles beside the current death numbers. Where were the candles pre-Covid when similar amounts of old people of the same age were dying anyway? Crazy stuff.

Sad to think this type of emotional manipulation actually works on some people.

UK is the same. Caught the beginning of Newsnight last night. The presenter, had a big 100,162 behind her and her first question was "Who would have thought that a year on we'd have so many deaths?".

Well everyone love, we were told millions were going to die from Covid.

beauf

Boggles wrote: »

It terrifies me that 10 months in, you think this is still a disease that only effects the "over 80s".

77% of people admitted to ICU in the last 2 weeks have published data have been 74 or younger.

33% are 25 to 54.

They can't think of the bigger picture here. That if they fall off their high horse and need a ICU bed there isn't any. It's full of people who said to hell with washing their hands while off for a pint in a shebeen.

beauf

weldoninhio wrote: »

UK is the same. Caught the beginning of Newsnight last night. The presenter, had a big 100,162 behind her and her first question was "Who would have thought that a year on we'd have so many deaths?".

Well everyone love, we were told millions were going to die from Covid.

We were told lots of things...

https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/18768112.donald-trump-coronavirus-trumps-notable-quotes-covid-19/

I thought the message in this thread was not to believe the media. It's being over hyped, under hyped. So really we are all ignoring the media are we not....

ypres5

weldoninhio wrote: »

UK is the same. Caught the beginning of Newsnight last night. The presenter, had a big 100,162 behind her and her first question was "Who would have thought that a year on we'd have so many deaths?".

Well everyone love, we were told millions were going to die from Covid.

sky news were borderline farcical last night hammering home the 100k figure, they started going on about how it's the same population as the city of bath and what'd be like if everyone in the city died of covid. then it finished with a photoshopped image of bath lying in ruins. I burst out laughing at that point

Malcomex

mikekerry wrote: »

Problem with this compared to then is there will be no pubs/restaurants /events for people to go to by time things open up most will have shut for good!
There is very little chance non pub food pubs will be open this year NPHET will not allow that to happen.

Nightclubs and pubs will open if the demand is there

weldoninhio

beauf wrote: »

We were told lots of things...

https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/18768112.donald-trump-coronavirus-trumps-notable-quotes-covid-19/

I thought the message in this thread was not to believe the media. It's being over hyped, under hyped. So really we are all ignoring the media are we not....

I don't take my "messages" from threads.

darconio

Penfailed wrote: »

Where did I say I was fine with it? Getting back to my original point, has anyone that posted last night saying we'll be locked down until Christmas and beyond got any evidence of that? I use the term lockdown, as that's what they've used. Restrictions such as mask wearing/social distancing/closed nightclubs/no large scale events, are not comparable to lockdown. Lockdown is a restriction of movement such as the 5km rule.

What case are you resting?

When Leo is proclaiming that we won't be able to travel for another year what does that sound to you if not like a forced lockdown on our existence?

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/health/tanaiste-mandatory-quarantine-not-ruled-out-but-if-brought-in-will-probably-be-for-a-year-40010937.html

Well it seems that the majority wouldn't be bothered and for that I rest my case about trying to reason a viable compromise.

Not being able to go were I want when I want is comparable to being locked in a cage: sometimes they let the door open but we are on a very short leash. I regret I didn't fly to visit my family when I had the opportunity because I wanted to be compliant: as a token of appreciation we are now told that I won't be able to do so probably for another 12 months.

pjohnson

beauf wrote: »

We were told lots of things...

https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/18768112.donald-trump-coronavirus-trumps-notable-quotes-covid-19/

I thought the message in this thread was not to believe the media. It's being over hyped, under hyped. So really we are all ignoring the media are we not....

Well last night this thread was writing off 2021 AND 2022, is insistent that the young are doomed and have definitely had their futures destroyed, this thread would be far more damaging to mental health than anything the media has offered if it was taken seriously.

WicklaBlaa

Boggles wrote: »

It terrifies me that 10 months in, you think this is still a disease that only effects the "over 80s".

77% of people admitted to ICU in the last 2 weeks have published data have been 74 or younger.

33% are 25 to 54.

These are very low numbers population wise.
Risk is miniscule for young people. This is a fact

95% of deaths are from the 70+ age group who don't make it to ICU.

Boggles

Boggles wrote: »

It terrifies me that 10 months in, you think this is still a disease that only effects the "over 80s".

77% of people admitted to ICU in the last 2 weeks have published data have been 74 or younger.

33% are 25 to 54.

Have a look at the death stats. How many under 50 have died since this started?

A percentage like 33% might look like a large enough percentage. But we are dealing with small numbers. What does 33% actually mean? 50 to 60 people?

And let me guess, 90% of those are actually 50+...

It’s strange how badly people want this to effect young people when every stat and every shred of evidence shows otherwise.

Some days we have reported 90 deaths. Every wonder why ICU doesn’t drop by 90. Or even 20?