Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VIII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

Boggles

Seweryn wrote: »

Hard to tell, but maybe they are afraid of taking it? It is their choice, there are many injuries and deaths being recorded as side effects (in the UK over 100 deaths and 49k injuries just in the first 6 weeks from the Pfizer one). So let them take their own decision.

Sorry, the Pfizer vaccine caused over a 100 deaths and 49,000 injuries in the UK?

I must have missed that, have you link to the report / data?

walus

What bugs me is the wide spread belief that deficit spending of any quantity and at any time produces more growth than the actual amount spent. Politicians call this “stimulus” but is is nothing of the sort, it is a false belief.

They all picked Keynes theory and apply it as an all-purpose solution to promote growth. Most of this “stimulus” is spent unproductively i.e. pup payments. It only allows to keep the lights on..

Boggles

walus wrote: »

It only allows to keep the lights on..

Pandemic Management 101, keep the lights on.

Tenzor07

Gradius wrote: »

The only thing it will expedite is the collapse of the economy.
There's a monster coming over the hill

Very true, those who are both happy with the Level 5 restriction and would also welcome even harsher restrictions well in towards 2022 seem to forget one thing....This all has to be paid for!
The parts of the real economy that generate taxation revenue are in suspended animation... It can't continue indefinitely..there's no Government plan for Level 0, and what is "Level 1 or 2" like...I can't remember?

https://www.rte.ie/news/politics/2021/0208/1195763-politics-economy/

Seweryn

Boggles wrote: »

Sorry, the Pfizer vaccine caused over a 100 deaths and 49,000 injuries in the UK?

I must have missed that, have you link to the report / data?

It is very easy to miss, I don't believe you are the only one. The media are not going to shout about it.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/958616/COVID-19_mRNA_Pfizer-_BioNTech_Vaccine_Analysis_Print.pdf

(Some of the deaths and injuries include: strokes, heart attacks, miscarriages, facial paralysis, nervous system disorders, immune system disorders, psychiatric disorders and blindness...).

Seweryn

Seweryn wrote: »

It is very easy to miss, I don't believe you are the only one. The media are not going to shout about it.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/958616/COVID-19_mRNA_Pfizer-_BioNTech_Vaccine_Analysis_Print.pdf

(Some of the deaths and injuries include: strokes, heart attacks, miscarriages, facial paralysis, nervous system disorders, immune system disorders, psychiatric disorders and blindness...).

The blatant misrepresentation is worse than outright lying.

Boggles

Seweryn wrote: »

It is very easy to miss, I don't believe you are the only one. The media are not going to shout about it.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/958616/COVID-19_mRNA_Pfizer-_BioNTech_Vaccine_Analysis_Print.pdf

(Some of the deaths and injuries include: strokes, heart attacks, miscarriages, facial paralysis, nervous system disorders, immune system disorders, psychiatric disorders and blindness...).

Oh for God sake.

Seriously?

Boggles

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Very true, those who are both happy with the Level 5 restriction and would also welcome even harsher restrictions well in towards 2022 seem to forget one thing...

Who are these people?

I want names.

Spanish Eyes

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Very true, those who are both happy with the Level 5 restriction and would also welcome even harsher restrictions well in towards 2022 seem to forget one thing....This all has to be paid for!
The parts of the real economy that generate taxation revenue are in suspended animation... It can't continue indefinitely..there's no Government plan for Level 0, and what is "Level 1 or 2" like...I can't remember?

https://www.rte.ie/news/politics/2021/0208/1195763-politics-economy/

Who cares?

There is so much money sloshing around now at minimum or negative interest.

It is the least of our worries, unlike 2008 and IMF. It is global now and not just country specific. Good that we are still a member of EU.

They may have FKd up the vaccine rollout, but they will take care of the 27 that are left in the fold.

ArthurDayne

Windmill100000 wrote: »

I suppose ultimately for many it comes down to what matters: more life and death, or the economy.

Should we lock down every winter then?

FintanMcluskey

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Who cares?

There is so much money sloshing around now at minimum or negative interest.

Yeah I think we need to start using money as toilet roll to save the trees.

It’s not like obscene national debt and unemployment will ever effect our access to credit in future to fund our health service or other basic infrastructure

Tenzor07

Boggles wrote: »

Who are these people? I want names.

Hang around here long enough and you'll see for yourself, plus checkout the comments section/Polls on the Journal and on social media...

FintanMcluskey

ArthurDayne wrote: »

Should we lock down every winter then?

A question I’ve often posed.

With the current metrics used to implement business closures and stay at home measures in Ireland, they will be required for 6 months every year from now on.

Tenzor07

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Who cares?
There is so much money sloshing around now at minimum or negative interest.
It is the least of our worries, unlike 2008 and IMF. It is global now and not just country specific. Good that we are still a member of EU.
They may have FKd up the vaccine rollout, but they will take care of the 27 that are left in the fold.

Who cares? Not that many right now...
....maybe your children, your grandkids, and their kids will care though?

Everything has limits, money just can't keep flowing out of the ECB, the revenue generating economy has to come back or it will cancel out the last 10+ years of progress since the crash of 2008...

Buddy Bubs

Seweryn wrote: »

It is very easy to miss, I don't believe you are the only one. The media are not going to shout about it.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/958616/COVID-19_mRNA_Pfizer-_BioNTech_Vaccine_Analysis_Print.pdf

(Some of the deaths and injuries include: strokes, heart attacks, miscarriages, facial paralysis, nervous system disorders, immune system disorders, psychiatric disorders and blindness...).

Who is responsible for creating that report?

Tenzor07

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

A question I’ve often posed.
With the current metrics used to implement business closures and stay at home measures in Ireland, they will be required for 6 months every year from now on.

Hope not! But I can see your point...seems like it doesn't it?

Never in modern history have we locked up the healthy, the mobile, the economically active/productive, cancelled kids education....giving people extra months of life... maybe years ... then making them suffer through many other issues... just isn't sustainable...

Penfailed

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Because the economy has been shut for almost twice as long as the rest of Europe up to that point.

You're going to have to back up this statement.

Boggles

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Hang around here long enough and you'll see for yourself, plus checkout the comments section/Polls on the Journal and on social media...

So you can't name anyone?

Tenzor07

Boggles wrote: »

So you can't name anyone?

No names and numbers no, GDPR..

Penfailed

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Because the economy has been shut for almost twice as long as the rest of Europe up to that point.

You're going to have to back up this statement.

FintanMcluskey

Penfailed wrote: »

You're going to have to back up this statement.

I’ve done so multiple times for you via the ESRI link.

Boggles

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

I’ve done so multiple times for you via the ESRI link.

I haven't seen it, would you be so kind as to link it again please.

Tenzor07

Tenzor07 wrote: »

No names and numbers no, GDPR..

I don’t think GDPR applies to data published freely on a message board.

And not buying the horsesh*t that a great portion here engage in does not equal enjoyment of level 5

Hmob

Seweryn wrote: »

It is very easy to miss, I don't believe you are the only one. The media are not going to shout about it.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/958616/COVID-19_mRNA_Pfizer-_BioNTech_Vaccine_Analysis_Print.pdf

(Some of the deaths and injuries include: strokes, heart attacks, miscarriages, facial paralysis, nervous system disorders, immune system disorders, psychiatric disorders and blindness...).

You'll have Mossad round your place tonite

Buddy Bubs

Buddy Bubs wrote: »

Who is responsible for creating that report?

It’s a list of all reported side effects following vaccination in a certain time period. Now most of it is the likes of sore arm and mild fatigue, however there are more serious reports. Now what the anti vaccers well understand but choose to misrepresent is that every event post a medical treatment of any sort must be reported as such until proven otherwise. A heart attack, stroke, whatever, irrespective of cause.

Penfailed

francogarbanzo wrote: »

"It's immoral to keep people contained in their homes for months on end."

"Do you have a peer-reviewed source for that?"

Have you been contained in your home for months on end? You're doing it wrong.

FintanMcluskey

Boggles wrote: »

I haven't seen it, would you be so kind as to link it again please.

You have but you will see it again and ignore it just like the other chap.

And I will be repeatedly asked to prove it and it’s rather simple to do so

Here is the link

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/ireland-had-longest-lockdown-for-pubs-and-restaurants-in-europe-report-1.4414028?mode=amp

Here is the summary

Ireland’s first lockdown was by far the longest in Europe for bars, restaurants, cinemas and non-essential shops, according to a new report.

The Organisation for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD) health system policy tracker states that public spaces defined as parks, restaurants, bars, cinemas, non-essential shops and services were closed in Ireland for 120 days from March 12th.

The country with the next highest number of days where public spaces were shut was Finland (74 days) followed by Slovakia (66 days) and Bulgaria and Estonia (both 65 days).

It’s crucial to remember that’s the 1st lockdown. It doesn’t include the other business closures NPHET indulged in last Summer and Autumn

We closed businesses in our capital for months after that, but the rest of Europe did not.

We have witnessed economic suicide in Ireland in 2020

We are now the only country to close construction

How ye are still defending those measures is beyond belief tbh

It’s not like being the strictest nation in Europe reduced our death rate in Spring 2020

Ireland had the second highest level of expenditure on health spending as a result of Covid-19 at €274 per capita followed by Germany (€302) and the United Kingdom (€446) but the Irish figures were only up to May 12th.

Deaths in Ireland among the over-65s were the third highest in Europe relative to population. The rate to early October in Ireland was 2,359 deaths per million. Only Belgium and England/Wales had higher rates of deaths.

But we will still be in this thread next July waiting for the barbers to open while the usual suspect will say we are just like Europe or some other voice will say people moving about spread cases

I can post the figures, you can ignore them.

But the day of reckoning will be brutal for Ireland

walus

Hmob wrote: »

You'll have Mossad round your place tonite

My bet is that it is going to be Torquemada with a couple of his buddies.

TobyHolmes

when are we likely to move to Level 3?

walus

TobyHolmes wrote: »

when are we likely to move to Level 3?

2022