Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VIII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

Boggles

OwenM wrote: »

Too late, the WSJ and WHO beat me to it.

The wall street journal?

Okay, link it up please.

OwenM

Boggles wrote: »

The wall street journal?

Okay, link it up please.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/as-vaccines-raise-hope-cold-reality-dawns-covid-19-is-likely-here-to-stay-11612693803

Boggles

OwenM wrote: »

https://www.wsj.com/articles/as-vaccines-raise-hope-cold-reality-dawns-covid-19-is-likely-here-to-stay-11612693803

OwenM wrote: »

Covid is endemic.

The ease with which the coronavirus spreads, the emergence of new strains and poor access to vaccines in large parts of the world mean Covid-19 could shift from a pandemic disease to an endemic one

Nope.

Anything else?

polesheep

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

Because those patients were in imminent danger of dying, in a way that most cancer sufferers aren't.

Not screening for cancer in time can turn a treatable cancer into a terminal cancer. Plus, being hospitalised with Covid doesn't necessarily mean being in imminent danger of dying. Many hospitalised Covid patients could have been treated at home by their GP.

OwenM

Boggles wrote: »

Nope.

Anything else?

Chair of WHO’s Strategic and Technical Advisory Group for Infectious Hazards states: "It appears at present that the destiny of SARS-CoV-2 is to become endemic, as have four other human coronaviruses, and that it will continue to mutate as it reproduces in human cells, especially in areas of more intense transmission"

https://www.healio.com/news/infectious-disease/20210104/qa-will-covid19-become-endemic#

Boggles

OwenM wrote: »

Chair of WHO’s Strategic and Technical Advisory Group for Infectious Hazards states: "It appears at present that the destiny of SARS-CoV-2 is to become endemic,

OwenM wrote: »

Covid is endemic.

Nope, he isn't backing up your claim either Owen.

We will leave it there so.

lalababa

Why is the vaccine roll out so opaque, msm(rte etc.) are very quiet.
Saw some BS today on the news ....all healthcare staff to be vaccinated by next Monday and then we start on the over 70's. I thought it was supposed to be the over 85's first.
Like wtf is going on? Seems as slow as f##k.

Boggles

Boggles wrote: »

Nope.

Anything else?

What are you looking for here? It wouldn't be declared endemic yet, but there is widespread agreement that it will be an endemic disease like the other 4 human coronaviruses. The best-case scenario would be that it will mutate as the others have to become a highly infectious virus with low virility that causes a common cold type disease with rare complications.

I've seen no credible suggestion that virologists or epidemiologists expect SARS-CoV-2 to be eradicated the way SARS-CoV-1 was.

lalababa

lalababa wrote: »

Why is the vaccine roll out so opaque, msm(rte etc.) are very quiet.
Saw some BS today on the news ....all healthcare staff to be vaccinated by next Monday and then we start on the over 70's. I thought it was supposed to be the over 85's first.
Like wtf is going on? Seems as slow as f##k.

Lets roll out those imaginary vaccines then

francogarbanzo

"It's immoral to keep people contained in their homes for months on end."

"Do you have a peer-reviewed source for that?"

Boggles

Deleted User wrote: »

What are you looking for here? It wouldn't be declared endemic yet,

Owen has declared it.

tesla1989

lalababa wrote: »

Why is the vaccine roll out so opaque, msm(rte etc.) are very quiet.
Saw some BS today on the news ....all healthcare staff to be vaccinated by next Monday and then we start on the over 70's. I thought it was supposed to be the over 85's first.
Like wtf is going on? Seems as slow as f##k.

1 year to approve vaccines
1 year to roll out to adults
1 more year for kids and pregnant women, immune compromised/allergies to get it?

We will be well into 2022 before all men, women and children get it here, virus will be going on 3 years old

All while geniuses that invented the vaccine had it ready in a lab 6 weeks after China shared the viral genome

FintanMcluskey

Some healthcare workers are not taking the vaccine

Ailesbury nursing home had to introduce a raffle to encourage staff to get the vaccine according to Newstalk

Alison Woods said 36 of the staff refused the vaccine

suicide_circus

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Some healthcare workers are not taking the vaccine

Ailesbury nursing home had to introduce a raffle to encourage staff to get the vaccine according to Newstalk

Alison Woods said 36 of the staff refused the vaccine

Do we know why theyre refusing it?

tesla1989

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Some healthcare workers are not taking the vaccine

Ailesbury nursing home had to introduce a raffle to encourage staff to get the vaccine according to Newstalk

Alison Woods said 36 of the staff refused the vaccine

Perfectly fine

Just get them to sign the waiver that you will pay for your own treatment if you catch covid and need hospital treatment

After 54+ year olds are vaccinated, I would gladly sign if they got rid of lockdowns

polesheep

suicide_circus wrote: »

Do we know why theyre refusing it?

Of the HCWs I know who have taken it, they have done so out of a duty of care to their patients rather than for themselves. I don't know of any that have refused it.

FintanMcluskey

suicide_circus wrote: »

Do we know why theyre refusing it?

She didn’t say.

She didn’t do her staff any favours broadcasting the fact on national radio

hynesie08

tesla1989 wrote: »

1 year to approve vaccines
1 year to roll out to adults
1 more year for kids and pregnant women, immune compromised/allergies to get it?

We will be well into 2022 before all men, women and children get it here, virus will be going on 3 years old

All while geniuses that invented the vaccine had it ready in a lab 6 weeks after China shared the viral genome

Are you ignorant or **** stirring? Just wondering if I should correct your maths or point you towards the conspiracy theory forum?

tesla1989

hynesie08 wrote: »

Are you ignorant or **** stirring? Just wondering if I should correct your maths or point you towards the conspiracy theory forum?

What wrong with the timelines?

Discovered in 2019 in the city of Wuhan
Genome sequenced in Jan 2020
Vaccines produced in labs March 2020
Vaccines approved for use late 2020
Rollout to adults in 2021
Rollout to kids/pregnant women etc 2022
Going on 3 years from discovery of Sars Cov 2 to vaccination of all humans

Boggles

Boggles wrote: »

Owen has declared it.

Oh, right. You were playing BS semantic games. I thought you were making a point.

noserider

Don’t know if this has been posted before.
If reports are true that the Government’s COVID fund is dwindling faster than expected, might that expediate the lifting of restrictions?
Also won’t insurance companies be in for a roasting from pubs winning their court cases last week. They are a major lobby group who won’t want a continuation of restrictions if it means more payouts.
Money talks

Captain_Crash

noserider wrote: »

They are a major lobby group who won’t want a continuation of restrictions if it means more payouts.
Money talks

This was one of the big reasons last weeks judgement was a bad one for government. Insurance companies have threatened in the past to just up and leave and will do it again if it suits them! There is a reason there has never been reform in the insurance industry despite it being a blatant racket (much like there has never been an appetite for law reform)

Necro

OwenM wrote: »

There's a pathological obsession with the 'new strain', there are several new strains and if a strain is more infectious then it's on the way here and everywhere else eventually.

Zero-Covid proponents might stick their heads up now and go "We'll actually.." but were tired of those arguments, Zero-Covid is a busted flush, Perth locked 2 million people down last week because of 1 (one) case and there wasn't a several day debate and lead in like you get here. Covid is endemic.

Boggles wrote: »

You should publish.

Boggles wrote: »

Nope.

Anything else?

Boggles wrote: »

Owen has declared it.

Deleted User wrote: »

Oh, right. You were playing BS semantic games. I thought you were making a point.

Mod:

Cut out the back and forth sniping at each other

Graham

noserider wrote: »

Don’t know if this has been posted before.
If reports are true that the Government’s COVID fund is dwindling faster than expected, might that expediate the lifting of restrictions?
Also won’t insurance companies be in for a roasting from pubs winning their court cases last week. They are a major lobby group who won’t want a continuation of restrictions if it means more payouts.
Money talks

I don't see either having any significant influence over the restrictions.

Gradius

noserider wrote: »

Don’t know if this has been posted before.
If reports are true that the Government’s COVID fund is dwindling faster than expected, might that expediate the lifting of restrictions?
Also won’t insurance companies be in for a roasting from pubs winning their court cases last week. They are a major lobby group who won’t want a continuation of restrictions if it means more payouts.
Money talks

The only thing it will expedite is the collapse of the economy.

There's a monster coming over the hill

Hmob

Insurance cos are not our problem

They took the premium for the risk, let them pay

walus

Gradius wrote: »

The only thing it will expedite is the collapse of the economy.

There's a monster coming over the hill

I cannot see how this will end without inter-generational consequences. Forget recession, we are in depression.

Hmob

walus wrote: »

I cannot see how this will end without inter-generational consequences. Forget recession, we are in depression.

There's a bigger picture than Ireland and what happens here

What happens on mainland europe and whether they accept continuing restrictions will impact us here.
I expect unrest there if restrictions continue.

Rodin

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Some healthcare workers are not taking the vaccine

Ailesbury nursing home had to introduce a raffle to encourage staff to get the vaccine according to Newstalk

Alison Woods said 36 of the staff refused the vaccine

Well we all know those in the nursing homes did not do their utmost for their residents...

Seweryn

suicide_circus wrote: »

Do we know why theyre refusing it?

Hard to tell, but maybe they are afraid of taking it? It is their choice, there are many injuries and deaths being recorded as side effects (in the UK over 100 deaths and 49k injuries just in the first 6 weeks from the Pfizer one). So let them take their own decision.