Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VIII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

PTH2009

People swear that Hospitality was fully open in December but in fact the drink pubs were closed and you had to buy a meal with the time limits etc

It's a sad state of affairs because NPHET will keep giving the strict advice and MM/Leo will not disobey it. We need strong leadership and were not going to get it, we will be watching the rest of Europe in envy

Silentcorner

That was an extremely abnormal Christmas...

A winter surge was heading to us...by being so strict from Oct/Nov all we did was delay the inevitable, but of course, NPHET will never accept anything other than hard lockdown so the figures are presented to us as if it was our fault.

We are being scolded by NPHET (Tony) since last March and our politicians and media are all on board with this ridiculous pantomime...

Boggles

Silentcorner wrote: »

A winter surge was heading to us...by being so strict from Oct/Nov all we did was delay the inevitable, but of course, NPHET will never accept anything other than hard lockdown so the figures are presented to us as if it was our fault.
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We also delayed the UK strain taking more of a hold earlier - Which would have undoubtedly lead to our leadership telling people not to mingle during Christmas, which would have been widely ignored.

It's one of the reasons now we are suppressing this wave faster than any other country in Europe.

FintanMcluskey

PTH2009 wrote: »

It's a sad state of affairs because NPHET will keep giving the strict advice and MM/Leo will not disobey it. We need strong leadership and were not going to get it, we will be watching the rest of Europe in envy

I have accepted that Ireland will follow the path it did last year.

May and June will see single digit case numbers, with the country still shut, and NPHET will continue to reference the R number as they did last Summer.

A long slow reopening, justified by the fact NPHET are concerned that cases may rise upon reopening.

The same posters will still be here in Summer trying to justify NPHET at all costs, the only saving grace this year is that they can’t keep referencing Lombardy and it’s similarities to Ireland.

hynesie08

PTH2009 wrote: »

People swear that Hospitality was fully open in December but in fact the drink pubs were closed and you had to buy a meal with the time limits etc

Nobody has been saying that, you're making it up

It's a sad state of affairs because NPHET will keep giving the strict advice and MM/Leo will not disobey it. We need strong leadership and were not going to get it, we will be watching the rest of Europe in envy

Another made up scenario.

Boggles

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

I have accepted that Ireland will follow the path it did last year.

Why?

We didn't go into "lockdown" until late March last year, we also didn't have 3 vaccines with more on the way and ability to test 20,000 people a day if needs be.

The Doom Mongering is prolific.

FintanMcluskey

Boggles wrote: »

Why?

Why?

It’s what they have done in the past, that’s why.

The more infectious UK variant of Covid-19 now accounts for two-thirds of cases, amid little hope of any significant easing of restrictions early next month.

Professor Philip Nolan of the National Public Health Emergency Team (Nphet) indicated this lockdown needs to drive down cases to very low levels.

hynesie08

Boggles wrote: »

Why?

We didn't go into "lockdown" until late March last year, we also didn't have 3 vaccines with more on the way and ability to test 20,000 people a day if needs be.

The Doom Mongering is prolific.

It's kind of clever, claim the worst possible outcome and then anything less you get to talk about "pushback" and "weak politicians" and not have to admit you're wrong.

Boggles

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Why?

It’s what they have done in the past, that’s why.

With a surge 3 months later, with no vaccines or testing and tracing ability.

Jaysus lad seriously, the contents of the glass can be looked at from a different perspective at least once.

You'll drive yourself mad with the negativity and doom mongering.

The majority of things will be open in May, decent few weeks of weather after Paddy's day - as seems to be the norm the past few years, we will be grand.

Graham

Silentcorner wrote: »

That was an extremely abnormal Christmas...

A winter surge was heading to us...by being so strict from Oct/Nov all we did was delay the inevitable

There's nothing inevitable about it.

The virus doesn't move around on its own, people move it.

More people moving / mixing. More cases.

FintanMcluskey

Boggles wrote: »

The majority of things will be open in May, decent few weeks of weather after Paddy's day - as seems to be the norm the past few years, we will be grand.

Read this to yourself a few times?

Perhaps it’s a coping mechanism for yourself to predict the weather in March/April

Either way Leo and Donnelly both recently said the restrictions will follow the same timelines as last year.

Boggles

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Either way Leo and Donnelly both recently said the restrictions will follow the same timelines as last year.

Link?

Kids will start going back to school in the next weeks, so how that is the same timeline as last year is utterly bizarre.

Windmill100000

PTH2009 wrote: »

People swear that Hospitality was fully open in December but in fact the drink pubs were closed and you had to buy a meal with the time limits etc

It's a sad state of affairs because NPHET will keep giving the strict advice and MM/Leo will not disobey it. We need strong leadership and were not going to get it, we will be watching the rest of Europe in envy

Restaurants were very busy in the lead up to Christmas. I was trying to organise a meal with friends and it was a nightmare trying to get a small group booking for dinner anywhere decent. I suppose just like any week before Christmas really.

hynesie08

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Read this to yourself a few times?

Perhaps it’s a coping mechanism for yourself to predict the weather in March/April

Either way Leo and Donnelly both recently said the restrictions will follow the same timelines as last year.

Did they? Or was that your interpretation?

Windmill100000

Boggles wrote: »

Link?

Kids will start going back to school in the next weeks, so how that is the same timeline as last year is utterly bizarre.

Looks like early March.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/news/education/q-a-when-are-schools-set-to-fully-reopen-1.4474251%3fmode=amp

Boggles

Windmill100000 wrote: »

Looks like early March.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/news/education/q-a-when-are-schools-set-to-fully-reopen-1.4474251%3fmode=amp

It's pay walled, but AFAIK Special Ed classes are going back soon, probably LC then primary.

Either way Feb/March is not September, so how any one can claim with a straight face that we are on the same timeline as last year is bizarre.

Add to that officially of 30% construction workers are on site (more like 70% given the state of the traffic in the morning and how busy the sites are the past couple of weeks).

suicide_circus

Boggles wrote: »

Add to that officially of 30% construction workers are on site (more like 70% given the state of the traffic in the morning and how busy the sites are the past couple of weeks).

Official numbers are often wrong

Boggles

suicide_circus wrote: »

Official numbers are often wrong

That's my point.

suicide_circus

Boggles wrote: »

That's my point.

Could they also be wrong in relation to various Covid stats?

Boggles

suicide_circus wrote: »

Could they also be wrong in relation to various Covid stats?

The 30% came from the head of the Construction Industry Federation.

I don't think he has any input into "Covid Stats".

CruelSummer

https://m.independent.ie/news/coronavirus-ireland-further-12-deaths-and-1024-confirmed-cases-of-covid-19-40062576.html

I do believe there was a poster on this thread earlier looking for proof that there would be a delay in the vaccination programme for the over 70s as a result of decisions taken last week. The above article confirms the delay & reasons why.

“The original plans were based on three vaccines being used. However the decision was made last Thursday to make the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines the preferential jabs for the over-70s because there is still not enough evidence to show how much protection the AstraZeneca vaccine gives to older people.”

Windmill100000

Boggles wrote: »

It's pay walled, but AFAIK Special Ed classes are going back soon, probably LC then primary.

Either way Feb/March is not September, so how any one can claim with a straight face that we are on the same timeline as last year is bizarre.

Add to that officially of 30% construction workers are on site (more like 70% given the state of the traffic in the morning and how busy the sites are the past couple of weeks).

"Special education is due to partially reopen to thousands of children from February 11th following agreement with school staff unions.

The revised plan will see special schools open on Thursday of next week with 50 per cent student attendance.

Special classes in mainstream primary schools are due to reopen fully to all pupils from February 22nd.

However, the plan does not provide in-school teaching for thousands of children with additional needs in mainstream primary classes.

When are mainstream primary classes due to reopen?

Sources involved in discussions say they believe primary schools will be in a position to reopen from early March, possibly Monday, March 1st."

FintanMcluskey

Boggles wrote: »

It's pay walled, but AFAIK Special Ed classes are going back soon, probably LC then primary.

Either way Feb/March is not September, so how any one can claim with a straight face that we are on the same timeline as last year is bizarre.

Add to that officially of 30% construction workers are on site (more like 70% given the state of the traffic in the morning and how busy the sites are the past couple of weeks).

Coming from a poster who bases the credibility of their argument on what they see while out walking

You must of covered some ground to make up your 70% statistic

Either way Ireland is still the only country in the world to ban construction this lockdown

franciscanpunk

Opposition parties: the government have failed the people by not listening to the public health experts at NPHET and doing exactly as they advise to eliminate the virus. They are the experts

NPHET: zero covid strategy just isn't something that's realistically possible.

Opposition parties: What do NPHET know anyway

Windmill100000

Our construction ban was in response to us having the highest rate of spread in Europe of covid after Christmas. It's why we locked down most construction but kept some going. It was discussed on here days ago.

You know this.

FintanMcluskey

CruelSummer wrote: »

https://m.independent.ie/news/coronavirus-ireland-further-12-deaths-and-1024-confirmed-cases-of-covid-19-40062576.html

I do believe there was a poster on this thread earlier looking for proof that there would be a delay in the vaccination programme for the over 70s as a result of decisions taken last week. The above article confirms the delay & reasons why.

“The original plans were based on three vaccines being used. However the decision was made last Thursday to make the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines the preferential jabs for the over-70s because there is still not enough evidence to show how much protection the AstraZeneca vaccine gives to older people.”

Earlier today, HSE Chief Executive Paul Reid revealed it could be mid-May before the vaccination of over-70s will be completed.

Isn’t the age group in ICU younger than 70?

suicide_circus

CruelSummer wrote: »

https://m.independent.ie/news/coronavirus-ireland-further-12-deaths-and-1024-confirmed-cases-of-covid-19-40062576.html

"Earlier today, HSE Chief Executive Paul Reid revealed it could be mid-May before the vaccination of over-70s will be completed."

I'll be delighted if i get it this year at this rate

Boggles

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Either way Ireland is still the only country in the world to ban construction this lockdown

Construction isn't banned.

Again repeating something over and over again will never make it a fact Fintan.

ypres5

suicide_circus wrote: »

"Earlier today, HSE Chief Executive Paul Reid revealed it could be mid-May before the vaccination of over-70s will be completed."

I'll be delighted if i get it this year at this rate

pauls really earning that 300k a year. what a useless little man

suicide_circus

ypres5 wrote: »

pauls really earning that 300k a year. what a useless little man

The HSE is just doing what the HSE does.

The chief of the NHS is on £195,000 btw