Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VIII Read OP For Mod Warnings

SnuggyBear · 05-02-2021 10:20AM

landofthetree wrote: »

The UK arent going to open anything up till April at the earliest bar schools. (Construction wasn't shut down).

So that means here we will be closed till June or July with our slow vaccine roll out and the new variant spreading so fast.

If we got it down to 200 cases a day and went to level 4 we would be back up to 1000 cases a day with 10 days.

I think the best way to gauge how early we could open up is to look at when pup ends. Someone was saying on here Leo was talking about extending it until the end June so that will be the earliest we will get any kind of real reduction of restrictions.

BTownB · 05-02-2021 10:23AM

Kunta Kinte wrote: »

That`s your theory.

Nope that's the science. Can't believe at this stage people are still questioning this.

Kunta Kinte · 05-02-2021 10:24AM

Graham wrote: »

I do indeed.

Not sure what posts you're reading "where people are mocked for not enjoying being forced to cover their faces in public".

The imaginary posts in his own head.

landofthetree · 05-02-2021 10:39AM

There are no plans to buy Covid-19 vaccines outside the EU process, the Department of Health has confirmed, while it remains unclear if surplus UK doses could be imported into the State.

Although health authorities here are administering vaccines as quickly as supplies arrive, the Department of Health says it does not intend to seek additional supplies from outside the EU framework. The department also confirmed that it is not prevented by EU rules from seeking supplies from companies outside the EU portfolio
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https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/government-has-no-plans-to-buy-surplus-covid-19-vaccines-outside-eu-process-1.4476496?mode=amp&__twitter_impression=true

Wtf are they thinking?

If you can source extra vaccines you should take them.

Vaccines are cheap compared to lockdowns and they save lives.

LuckyLloyd · 05-02-2021 10:40AM

They’re thinking they don’t need any additional vaccines over the EU programme, that’s all.

walus · 05-02-2021 10:43AM

Kunta Kinte wrote: »

That`s your theory.

What is 'my theory'? Is it that is how Multipass perceives the risk and why he is against wearing masks? Or that covid causes only mild sickness in the vast majority of the population?

Boggles · 05-02-2021 10:44AM

landofthetree wrote: »

Wtf are they thinking?

If you can source extra vaccines you should take them.

You want to buy in vaccines that have not been approved for use here?

05-02-2021 10:50AM

Just on the masks... we’ve been wearing them for over a half a year now and have been in lockdown most of that time.

And we still have thousands of new cases everyday.

Wearing a piece of cloth on your face does very little.

Boggles · 05-02-2021 10:56AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Just on the masks... we’ve been wearing them for over a half a year now and have been in lockdown most of that time.

And we still have thousands of new cases everyday.

Wearing a piece of cloth on your face does very little.

You have a controlled parallel study in Ireland to call on to make that assertion?

walus · 05-02-2021 10:56AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Just on the masks... we’ve been wearing them for over a half a year now and have been in lockdown most of that time.

And we still have thousands of new cases everyday.

Wearing a piece of cloth on your face does very little.

There is a lot of info for and against the efficacy of wearing masks. I would imagine that they can help, but they need to be of a proper quality, must be worn appropriately and replaced often. None of those three things I can actually see happening out there.

05-02-2021 11:00AM

Boggles wrote: »

You have a controlled parallel study in Ireland to call on to make that assertion?

Don’t need one, I have my own two eyes.

Numbers dropped to almost 0 without masks. With masks we’ve thousands of cases a day and endless lockdowns.

Seasonality seems to be more of a factor than the piece of cloth.

Great visual though. Really adds to the fear and misery of it all.

Boggles · 05-02-2021 11:01AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Don’t need one, I have my own two eyes.

That will be a challenge to peer review.

Again, there is no such thing as anti restrictions as a basis, it's just anti science.

I imagine you are not fond of vaccines or high speed broadband either, are you?

SnuggyBear · 05-02-2021 11:09AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Don’t need one, I have my own two eyes.

Numbers dropped to almost 0 without masks. With masks we’ve thousands of cases a day and endless lockdowns.

Seasonality seems to be more of a factor than the piece of cloth.

Great visual though. Really adds to the fear and misery of it all.

Masks are amazing, so amazing we need to have everything closed down for most of the year.

dalyboy · 05-02-2021 11:09AM

Boggles wrote: »

That will be a challenge to peer review.

Again, there is no such thing as anti restrictions as a basis, it's just anti science.

I imagine you are not fond of vaccines or high speed broadband either, are you?

Requirements for Science = observable, testable, repeatable, and falsifiable experimentation.

Please explain when masks went through the above requirements.

ps little cartoon drawings/videos do not qualify the requirements

Kunta Kinte · 05-02-2021 11:10AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Don’t need one, I have my own two eyes.

Numbers dropped to almost 0 last summer without masks.due to the vast majority of people following the restrictions rules last year.

.

FYP

Boggles · 05-02-2021 11:11AM

dalyboy wrote: »

Requirements for Science = observable, testable, repeatable, and falsifiable experimentation.

Please explain when masks went through the above requirements.

Roughly a 100 years ago was the start of it.

There is a mask thread, reams of info and studies since.

Very informative, fill your boots.

dalyboy · 05-02-2021 11:19AM

Boggles wrote: »

Roughly a 100 years ago was the start of it.

There is a mask thread, reams of info and studies since.

Very informative, fill your boots.

Oh well then there must be one scientifically adhered example you can cite.

Remember. observable, testable, repeatable, and falsifiable experimentation.

Waiting ......

05-02-2021 11:25AM

Boggles wrote: »

That will be a challenge to peer review.

Again, there is no such thing as anti restrictions as a basis, it's just anti science.

I imagine you are not fond of vaccines or high speed broadband either, are you?

To implement things such as lockdown or masks, there should already be peer reviewed scientific studies proving their benefit. This hasn’t happened yet.

Boggles · 05-02-2021 11:31AM

Deleted User wrote: »

To implement things such as lockdown or masks, there should already be peer reviewed scientific studies proving their benefit. This hasn’t happened yet.

dalyboy wrote: »

Oh well then there must be one scientifically adhered example you can cite.

Remember. observable, testable, repeatable, and falsifiable experimentation.

Waiting ......

The latest one.

There is many.

https://www.pnas.org/content/118/4/e2014564118

Fill your boots.

Again there is a whole thread dedicated to it.

Knowledge is power.

dalyboy · 05-02-2021 11:55AM

Boggles wrote: »

The latest one.

There is many.

https://www.pnas.org/content/118/4/e2014564118

Fill your boots.

Again there is a whole thread dedicated to it.

Knowledge is power.

Thanks for the link.

Sadly it’s merely a hypothesis on the usefulness of society wearing masks.

Nothing was conclusive (strange that) apart from literature suggests further study.

So nothing observable, testable, repeatable, and falsifiable.

Anyway , I’ll leave it that as there is a separate thread for this topic and don’t want to derail restrictions focus.

Russman · 05-02-2021 12:00PM

Deleted User wrote: »

To implement things such as lockdown or masks, there should already be peer reviewed scientific studies proving their benefit. This hasn’t happened yet.

Mother Nature "lads I'm throwing a pandemic, brand new virus gonna be unleashed on ye"

The world "ahh jaysus no, hold on, will you not wait til we have some studies done proving what measures we'll take will work ?"

Graham · 05-02-2021 12:03PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Just on the masks... we’ve been wearing them for over a half a year now and have been in lockdown most of that time.

And we still have thousands of new cases everyday.

Wearing a piece of cloth on your face does very little.

:rolleyes:

Masks have been used to prevent/limit infection since the 1800s

Pretending they suddenly have no impact on the spread of infection is patently absurd.

SnuggyBear · 05-02-2021 12:04PM

Russman wrote: »

Mother Nature "lads I'm throwing a pandemic, brand new virus gonna be unleashed on ye"

The world "ahh jaysus no, hold on, will you not wait til we have some studies done proving what measures we'll take will work ?"

Infairness they told us it was not advised to wear masks well into the summer. So what changed?

Kunta Kinte · 05-02-2021 12:05PM

Russman wrote: »

Mother Nature "lads I'm throwing a pandemic, brand new virus gonna be unleashed on ye"

The world "ahh jaysus no, hold on, will you not wait til we have some studies done proving what measures we'll take will work ?"

In reality it`s only a tiny minority of delusional people who believe that should happen. Thankully they have been largely ignored.

Boggles · 05-02-2021 12:11PM

dalyboy wrote: »

Thanks for the link.

Sadly it’s merely a hypothesis on the usefulness of society wearing masks.

Nothing was conclusive (strange that) apart from literature suggests further study.

So nothing observable, testable, repeatable, and falsifiable.

Anyway , I’ll leave it that as there is a separate thread for this topic and don’t want to derail restrictions focus.

So you didn't understand it, fair enough.

walus · 05-02-2021 12:17PM

In places where social distancing cannot be achieved I can see why the use of masks can be beneficial:
https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1316404648392056832

Those masks need to be however worn properly, be of adequate quality and replaced often.

Boggles · 05-02-2021 12:20PM

Graham wrote: »

:rolleyes:

Masks have been used to prevent/limit infection since the 1800s

Pretending they suddenly have no impact on the spread of infection is patently absurd.

Longer than that. It was in the link.

Wu Lien Teh’s work to control the 1910 Manchurian Plague has been acclaimed as “a milestone in the systematic practice of epidemiological principles in disease control” (3), in which Wu identified the cloth mask as “the principal means of personal protection.” Although Wu designed the cloth mask that was used through most of the world in the early 20th century, he pointed out that the airborne transmission of plague was known since the 13th century, and face coverings were recommended for protection from respiratory pandemics since the 14th century

Boggles · 05-02-2021 12:24PM

walus wrote: »

In places where social distancing cannot be achieved I can see why the use of masks can be beneficial:
https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1316404648392056832

Those masks need to be however worn properly, be of adequate quality and replaced often.

Not acceptable I'm afraid.

dalyboy wrote: »

ps little cartoon drawings/videos do not qualify the requirements

Neither are peer review'd studies or 700 years of scientific history.

2 eyeballs only.

dalyboy · 05-02-2021 12:24PM

Boggles wrote: »

So you didn't understand it, fair enough.

Tut tut .

Ad hominem attacks are ultimately self-defeating. They are equivalent to admitting that you have lost the argument.

Have a nice day

Boggles · 05-02-2021 12:27PM

dalyboy wrote: »

Tut tut .

Ad hominem attacks are ultimately self-defeating. They are equivalent to admitting that you have lost the argument.

Have a nice day

Attack?

You either clearly didn't read it or clearly didn't understand it.

Which isn't great faith posting considering you demanded it.

But indeed have a great day.

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