Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VIII Read OP For Mod Warnings

31-01-2021 02:24PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

I’m quoting what he said

So you can finally admit he did not in fact say the current level of restrictions will remain until September?

31-01-2021 02:25PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

No non essential travel and lessons learned from reopening last Summer?

What way would you interpret that Graham?

Some of the lessons learned he talked about were some reopenings not stopping the falling rates once we got to a certain point

Gael23 · 31-01-2021 02:28PM

If restrictions need to stay to keep out new variants how are we getting out of this mess?

Penfailed · 31-01-2021 02:29PM

Lundstram wrote: »

I'd urge anyone who gets fined NOT to pay it, let it go to court, they will be all thrown out eventually. There's so many loopholes in the laws they rushed in. I still can't get my head around a man all on his own out walking on a beach was handed a €100 fine. Sickening.

He was found on one beach, informed of the restrictions and advised to go back within his 5km. He decided not to take that advice and went to another beach. The guards had no choice really. He was taking the piss.

Kunta Kinte · 31-01-2021 02:30PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

People will still follow the rules.

They will be fined otherwise

If people flout rules in any walk of life then they may expect to be fined or prosecuted. That`s the way it works old buddy even though a few here seem to believe otherwise.

Malcomex · 31-01-2021 02:32PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

What are you on about?

Havent u previously posted the exact same inflammatory statement about people doing what they are told or being fined

Its clearly designed to bait

ypres5 · 31-01-2021 02:34PM

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Some time yet is not 9 months

We're only one month into this level 5 with at least 6 more weeks to go

That's 10 weeks of level 5 without the government tacking on any additional time

Businesses definitely won't survive 9 months of lockdown and I don't think the government could afford it either

The 6 weeks lockdown before December cost €1.5 billion

These level 5 has more shut so will be more expensive again

i think one thing one thing has been shown throughout this is that the government don't seem to give a flying **** about businesses and care more about covid than anything else

cityboyjim · 31-01-2021 02:35PM

If the cases continue to go down and the vaccine roll out stay on target should hospitality not open by Easter .I mean all hospitality, in order to stop the crowds gathering at food only outlets .In regions with high covid rates stay closed and keep the 5k travel limit.That will allow people to meet in limited numbers .Another way would be for people who have the vaccine got to be issued with a vaccination card and be allowed to socialise in some format .I am sure nobody would begrudge anybody over 70 with the vaccine got going to the local to chat and have a few drinks .Another way would be for Pubicans to be allowed to serve locals only in areas with no cases .One of the big issues with this is people being afraid to say they have it .We could have it next door and not know it .

Kunta Kinte · 31-01-2021 02:40PM

Denny61 wrote: »

Not so ..the three arena telling us to buy tickets now as acts are,rolling in from April on ..ive counted about ten music acts coming involving over a hundred thousand people mixing . Plus Ryan Air telling us to pack our suitcases as its VAX OR JAB AND GO !!!SO ALL WILL BE GREAT BY APRIL..PANADEMIC WILL BE A DISTANT MEMORY

ABSOLUTELY WRONG... FANTASY:rolleyes:

FintanMcluskey · 31-01-2021 02:47PM

Malcomex wrote: »

Havent u previously posted the exact same inflammatory statement about people doing what they are told or being fined

Its clearly designed to bait

It’s not designed to bait, it’s what’s happening.

If people travel for non-essential reasons they can be fined?

Have you been following the news?

Malcomex · 31-01-2021 02:57PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

It’s not designed to bait, it’s what’s happening.

If people travel for non-essential reasons they can be fined?

Have you been following the news?

Ya I follow the news ...

Aside from the inflammatory nature of your statement

I'm loathe to debate with posters like you however it's an assumption that people will do what they are told because" they will be fined"

1. They may not do what they are told regardless of fines

2. They may not be fined at all if not intercepted by Gardai

Ray Donovan · 31-01-2021 03:00PM

https://www.newstalk.com/news/sunlit-uplands-of-zero-covid-approach-in-ireland-not-realistic-philip-nolan-1143300

Utterly depressing stuff from Philip Nolan. Won’t be a pint to be had in 2021.

TobyHolmes · 31-01-2021 03:09PM

Ray Donovan wrote: »

https://www.newstalk.com/news/sunlit-uplands-of-zero-covid-approach-in-ireland-not-realistic-philip-nolan-1143300

Utterly depressing stuff from Philip Nolan. Won’t be a pint to be had in 2021.

EU really made a big mistake and Ireland now has to calm down the situation with the Border. Like doesnt our government have enough to worry about and now EU has left us in a precarious situation and played into the hands of many who would love to see Article 16 removed.

A big fan here of EU but this goes to show how little power we do have if they decide to play games and they are playing games with our countries sensitivities here.

I really dont blame MM for this nor our EU Commissioner - although isnt it it the EU Commissioners job to know whats going on.

Maybe we should all now be wary of what the EU has in store

Graham · 31-01-2021 03:10PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

No non essential travel and lessons learned from reopening last Summer?

What way would you interpret that Graham?

Differently to "restrictions until September"

If you wan't to play stupid we can all do it;

there are almost no restrictions at the moment, you can leave your house, go shopping, exercise, travel, visit friends & family.

All completely true but misleading without context.

hynesie08 · 31-01-2021 03:10PM

Ray Donovan wrote: »

https://www.newstalk.com/news/sunlit-uplands-of-zero-covid-approach-in-ireland-not-realistic-philip-nolan-1143300

Utterly depressing stuff from Philip Nolan. Won’t be a pint to be had in 2021.

Yeah, he never actually says that though does he?

FintanMcluskey · 31-01-2021 03:10PM

Malcomex wrote: »

Ya I follow the news ...

Aside from the inflammatory nature of your statement

I'm loathe to debate with posters like you however it's an assumption that people will do what they are told because" they will be fined"

1. They may not do what they are told regardless of fines

2. They may not be fined at all if not intercepted by Gardai

Perhaps you do follow Current affairs it’s not evident in your posts however.

The sum total of your argument is based upon “may not”?

The adherence to Europe’s longest lockdown was incredibly high last year with no fines in place.

You somehow believe the adherence to the guidelines will suddenly drop because it going on to long?

The Irish attitude of public shaming coupled with fines will ensure whatever advice is in place is followed.

The only way out is for the people who construct those guidelines to change them

Malcomex · 31-01-2021 03:17PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Perhaps you do follow Current affairs it’s not evident in your posts however.

The sum total of your argument is based upon “may not”?

The adherence to Europe’s longest lockdown was incredibly high last year with no fines in place.

You somehow believe the adherence to the guidelines will suddenly drop because it going on to long?

The Irish attitude of public shaming coupled with fines will ensure whatever advice is in place is followed.

The only way out is for the people who construct those guidelines to change them

Ok last time

People may or may not follow guidelines

People won't necessarily do what they are told because they may be fined

Those are all assumptions on your part , that's if you actually believe what you are writing

FintanMcluskey · 31-01-2021 03:19PM

dalyboy wrote: »

Once the aged and vulnerable are vaccinated by right should spell the end however look at what’s running the country . I wouldn’t trust them to run a bath and they’d just blame someone else for f€uking that up too.

I expect a media campaign (propaganda campaign) over the next couple of months that will shift the narrative fully to “previous long covid” and “fear of new strains from abroad” or “historical under 50 year old deaths” etc with a view to smoke and mirrors our lack of cases or deaths that’ll remain low in the months approaching summer.

It’ll be the only way they’ll placate our itchy feet for foreign holidays and less life restrictions.
Also expect their fantastic “genuine” polls to fully support this existence instead of life and the Sinn Fein etc to constantly demand more and more tyranny.

Negative view admittedly however based on the last 11 months it’s realistic.

It may be negative but it’s completely accurate.

We can only base our expectations on what we have seen previously and what we are hearing this week from those in charge.

I don’t know how Ireland gets itself out of this from what I’ve heard from Leo, Donnelly and Nolan this week

Windmill100000 · 31-01-2021 03:28PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

It may be negative but it’s completely accurate.

We can only base our expectations on what we have seen previously and what we are hearing this week from those in charge.

I don’t know how Ireland gets itself out of this from what I’ve heard from Leo, Donnelly and Nolan this week

I think the problem is some have unrealistic expectations. For example, if we get to March 5 and we are still hitting over 1000 cases a day, why would we open up? Would that only not get us back to square one?

It seems that some take the dates as the end of restrictions. It has always been made clear that the situation is being assessed on an ongoing basis. I hope by March 5 numbers will be significantly down and structured reopening of services will begin.

FintanMcluskey · 31-01-2021 03:29PM

Malcomex wrote: »

Ok last time

People may or may not follow guidelines

People won't necessarily do what they are told because they may be fined

Those are all assumptions on your part , that's if you actually believe what you are writing

Sounds like you don’t have an issue with fines as people will just ignore them.

I don’t believe that’s the case for most civilised people and it’s perhaps the most unsettling part of the slow release of restrictions we are hearing about from various sources this week.

We have seen last year how Ireland’s lockdown was Europe’s longest and they have now the option to support that this year with fines, in place for a likely unknown amount of time.

People caught trying to leave the State to go on holiday will face €500 fines from Monday under regulations signed last night.

Idbatterim · 31-01-2021 03:30PM

hynesie08 wrote: »

I've been laid off since March, still support restrictions. I'm sure someone will come along in a minute to call me a liar.

assuming you are better off or its more worth your while being on PUP than now working though? Why work for E400 a week , when you can sit at home on E350?

FintanMcluskey · 31-01-2021 03:34PM

Windmill100000 wrote: »

I think the problem is some have unrealistic expectations. For example, if we get to March 5 and we are still hitting over 1000 cases a day, why would we open up? Would that only not get us back to square one?

It seems that some take the dates as the end of restrictions. It has always been made clear that the situation is being assessed on an ongoing basis. I hope by March 5 numbers will be significantly down and structured reopening of services will begin.

But the low case numbers didn’t have cause for restrictions to be released last year?

Ireland didn’t reopen barbers in late June early July, despite having low case numbers in May?

Boggles · 31-01-2021 03:35PM

Is "barbers" the code word for "pubs"?

FintanMcluskey · 31-01-2021 03:37PM

Idbatterim wrote: »

assuming you are better off or its more worth your while being on PUP than now working though? Why work for E400 a week , when you can sit at home on E350?

This is likely a cause for a lot of support of restrictions at present.

While I have no issue with the PUP support it is a necessary measure to keep people from starving, it’s a false economy.

Realistically people are saving money in many different ways due to not actually having to drive to work etc, but when that PUP stops and a few hundred thousand people still don’t have jobs, the penny will drop.

Windmill100000 · 31-01-2021 03:41PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

But the low case numbers didn’t have cause for restrictions to be released last year?

Ireland didn’t reopen barbers in late June early July, despite having low case numbers in May?

I think last year there was a lot of precaution, it's not like we had a great deal of information about how things would unfold. I personally do understand this, although I am aware many don't see it that way.

Kunta Kinte · 31-01-2021 03:45PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

But the low case numbers didn’t have cause for restrictions to be released last year?

Ireland didn’t reopen barbers in late June early July, despite having low case numbers in May?

Yes we did. I got my hair cut 1st week of July last year and it wasn`t on the sly either.

FintanMcluskey · 31-01-2021 03:46PM

Windmill100000 wrote: »

I think last year there was a lot of precaution, it's not like we had a great deal of information about how things would unfold. I personally do understand this, although I am aware many don't see it that way.

That’s good you understand exactly why they it.

Now what doesn’t correlate to your understanding is whats being said and done at present by those currently implementing those guidelines.

Necro · 31-01-2021 03:46PM

Lundstram wrote: »

Restrictions running 'til September won't be decided by what happens or what anyone says on this island. Summer will be a whole different ball game, the UK will be lightyears ahead of us, they will have a near normal summer. There's no way in hell the Irish are going to be locked down while those across the water and the few up the road in the North are enjoying life. Phillip Nolan can talk all the nonsense he wants. He, NPHET or the government will not be the ones who decide we put up with these restrictions across summer. The Irish people will.

I'd urge anyone who gets fined NOT to pay it, let it go to court, they will be all thrown out eventually. There's so many loopholes in the laws they rushed in. I still can't get my head around a man all on his own out walking on a beach was handed a €100 fine. Sickening.

We will have endured 14/15 months of this nonsnse by the time summer rolls around, that's more than enough time wasted from our lives for the government and Paul Reid to get their house in order. The EU have made a complete balls of procuring vaccines and are more interested in arguing the toss with suppliers than fixing this mess.

Come summer, businesses need to get together and open up.

Enough is enough.

Mod:

Agreed, enough is enough with the soapboxing - you know damn well advocating that advice is not permitted on Boards.

Do not post in this thread again

growleaves · 31-01-2021 03:47PM

ypres5 wrote: »

i think one thing one thing has been shown throughout this is that the government don't seem to give a flying **** about businesses and care more about covid than anything else

A friend of mine tells me "Fine Gael don't want to hurt the economy" and that they're going against their own inclination in locking down.

I don't agree.

First of all 'the economy' is a pure abstraction. If ordinary people go out of business and are impoverished their market share and income-generating assets don't disappear, they get gobbled up by big corporations at rock-bottom prices. This process of corporate consolidation was already well underway since the 1990s and especially since 2008.

It happened in US agriculture where large corporate farms managed to underbid ordinary farmers with price maniulation then bought out their farmland.

The way our monetary system operates, from 2008 onwards, is that European Central Bank policy guarantees asset inflation through asset purchases. This also true in the United States and other places. It is more or less worldwide.

Consequently asset-grabs are part of the reason why you're seeing articles about how billionaries have increased their wealth by 40%. Sure a lot of it is due to booms in healthcare and technology. Some of the technology boom is itself due to mega-corp consolidation - Amazon has cornered markets from which their competitiors have been literally embargoed.

The NASDAQ (the tech stock market index) doubled from March 16th 2020 to January 25th 2021. Zoom and Netlfix especially have been the beneficiaries of a 'virtuality bubble', where the masses have been encouraged to replace real life with virtual life. Well if you do that you drive a boom for the providers of virtual technology.

Every small business that goes belly-up is being cannablised. There's even some new Sky documentary where James May buys a pub. He says (paraphrasing) "It may seem silly buying a pub during covid restrictions". In fact there's never been a better time to buy a pub - assuming you aren't over-leveraged, and can bide your time in cash - since you can get it for peanuts.

Asset inflation will also drive the price of housing (rent and ownership), education and health insurance upwards, while productive wage-earners will spend more of their output on debt servicing.

This forebodes a slow slide into poverty, taking place over the next two decades, for the average wage-earner.

If you think Fine Gael/Fianna Fail are crying tears about it fair enough. I don't. Even if it affected their electoral viability, which it doesn't because no one makes the connection, the individual politicians involved can go on to EU jobs or retire in comfort. Many more people will switch to Sinn Fein in the years ahead in desperation though social spending will only increase the deficit even more.

Boggles · 31-01-2021 03:50PM

growleaves wrote: »

Every small business that goes belly-up is being cannablised. There's even some new Sky documentary where James May buys a pub.

Really? Has it started yet?

I love James May.

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