Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VIII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

Boggles

SusieBlue wrote: »

Good morning Boggles, happy Friday to you. Colour me stunned to see you partially quoting a post to make a passive aggressive dig at me.

I have obeyed all current guidelines since they were introduced, so nope, you are completely wrong on that front. You won’t catch me meeting up with multiple people while crying for the need for level 5 online.

That's exactly what my post said.

FintanMcluskey

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Paschal Donohue has finally admitted “ there will be a reckoning”

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/donohoe-sees-political-trap-amid-rising-debts-1.4470468?mode=amp

Great to finally see this! For awhile now, some people have been acting like there is no cost.

So our options are essentially more tax or spending cuts. And realistically, probably both.

And based on comments from government and the vaccine situation, this will go on longer than Pascal wants.

Bad times ahead. It will be austerity whether they call it that or not.

weldoninhio

Deleted User wrote: »

Comprehensive list of what is deemed essential

https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/60ecc-essential-retail-outlets-for-level-5/

Homestore and More are closed as far as I am aware and according to their website. Argos are open for click and collect on essential items

Must tell my friend that works for them to stop going into work as they are closed. :rolleyes:

Boggles

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Paschal Donohue has finally admitted “ there will be a reckoning”

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/donohoe-sees-political-trap-amid-rising-debts-1.4470468?mode=amp

Pat Leahy said that, not Paschal.

weldoninhio

weldoninhio wrote: »

Third surge bagan 22/11/2020. Not after lockdown was lifted. As per HSPC.

https://www.hpsc.ie/a-z/respiratory/coronavirus/novelcoronavirus/surveillance/covid-19outbreaksclustersinireland/COVID-19%20Weekly%20Outbreak%20Report_Week032021_25012021_WebVersion_final.pdf

Oh FFS, that was just an arbitrary date chosen to group data, basically because they judged that was when wave 2 finished

weldoninhio

Deleted User wrote: »

I missed this. have you a link?

https://www.hpsc.ie/a-z/respiratory/coronavirus/novelcoronavirus/surveillance/covid-19outbreaksclustersinireland/COVID-19%20Weekly%20Outbreak%20Report_Week032021_25012021_WebVersion_final.pdf

weldoninhio

weldoninhio wrote: »

Must tell my friend that works for them to stop going into work as they are closed. :rolleyes:

Actually - here is what homestore and more say

In line with the government guidelines
our stores are only selling products necessary for the essential upkeep and functioning of places of residence,
but our full range is available online

Responder XY

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Prof McConkey, the head of the department of international health and tropical medicine at the Royal College of Surgeons in Ireland, told RTɒs This Week programme on Sunday that coronavirus “could be like the Spanish flu, the Irish Civil War and the 1929 stock market crash all at once”.

He predicted that in the worst case scenario 80 per cent of the population or four million people in the Republic could get the disease with a death rate of between 2 and 3 per cent (80,000 to 120,000).

Lols.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/simon-harris-this-could-go-well-beyond-the-health-service-1.4197351

Thats how this hysteria started really. Its just obvious it hasnt ended

That's a bit frightening how wrong the naysayers were. The reaction in March was justified - because the above was a very realistic possibility given the information we knew. We now know that it's an impossibility, but our reaction remains unchanged! the narrative needs to move on!

froog

[Deleted User] wrote: »

The attempts of some posters on here to desperately try to convince themselves that this is a minority view is pathetic but understandable.

You’ve spent far too long listening to government, watching the late late, watching RTÉ news and soaking up the Irish media in general. Probably looking at polls to make yourself feel more reassured.

I’m no Sinn Fein fan. But it’s clear as day they would’ve romped the last election had they ran more candidates. The amount of people who try to deny that is equally pathetic.

You have to be very insecure to come onto a thread and desperately try to make people feel like they are a minority.

lol who mentioned Sinn Fein??

average_runner

And SF are very quiet throughout this pandemic.

I hope SF does get into power next, as then ye will see what they are like.

Windmill100000

Deleted User wrote: »

The saddest things about this are that people will try to make out that they were in big trouble anyways and lockdown had no impact. And people will still believe that everyone on PUP has a job to just go back to when restrictions lift.

Who said everyone on pup will go back to a job? It's a ridiculous statement. We all know some jobs are going to be lost. Again you are not stating the facts of the general sentiment at all.

Windmill100000

Deleted User wrote: »

Great to finally see this! For awhile now, some people have been acting like there is no cost.

So our options are essentially more tax or spending cuts. And realistically, probably both.

And based on comments from government and the vaccine situation, this will go on longer than Pascal wants.

Bad times ahead. It will be austerity whether they call it that or not.

Who said there is no cost? Any post at all, where someone said that. Total misrepresentation yet again.

Captain_Crash

average_runner wrote: »

And SF are very quiet throughout this pandemic.

Never interrupt your enemy when they’re making mistakes

Windmill100000

Windmill100000 wrote: »

Who said there is no cost? Any post at all, where someone said that. Total misrepresentation yet again.

Lol, you’re so triggered.

Have a look at some of the posts talking about restrictions until late 2022, 2023, 2024 etc.

If you don’t think those posters understand nothing about the cost, then I can’t help you.

Have a read through the previous 8 or so threads.

Windmill100000

Deleted User wrote: »

Lol, you’re so triggered.

Have a look at some of the posts talking about restrictions until late 2022, 2023, 2024 etc.

If you don’t think those posters understand nothing about the cost, then I can’t help you.

Have a read through the previous 8 or so threads.

Of course there are going to be costs. Suggesting that there isnt is ridiculous. We all know that.

FintanMcluskey

Windmill100000 wrote: »

Of course there are going to be costs. Suggesting that there isnt is ridiculous. We all know that.

The question is how much greater will those costs be than Covid itself.

The cure is worse than the disease

Elmer Blooker

average_runner wrote: »

And SF are very quiet throughout this pandemic.

Populist SF are aware of the current mood of the nation and how the majority are happy with the handouts which means they want more restrictions but when the **** hits the fan they'll back to mouthing about 'the people'.

Boggles

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

The question is how much greater will those costs be than Covid itself.

The cure is worse than the disease

Donald?

FintanMcluskey

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

The question is how much greater will those costs be than Covid itself.

The cure is worse than the disease

With all the calls on here for scientific studies that lockdowns wor, which was provided, surely there are studies to show that the cure is worse than the disease?

Lundstram

pjohnson wrote: »

They are very skilled at denying all reality at this point. Its impressive

As skilled as you are at jumping into this thread every so often to skit and try to be funny. You contribute nothing to this thread.

If I said what I really thought you were doing, I’d be banned for back seat modding.

If you’re going to dismiss posters with some witty retort, at least add a contribution yourself.

Otherwise you’ve zero credibility.

Windmill100000

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

The question is how much greater will those costs be than Covid itself.

The cure is worse than the disease

I suppose it depends who you ask. Someone who lost a family member will say they paid the ultimate price and it is unlikely someone out of work will remain that way indefinitely.

Someone out of work may think the cost is great and they are paying more than anyone.

I think we can accept we are not all going to agree.

The general consensus among elderly is we must stay in lockdown because the risk is greater to them. Among the young it is we are the future and we need jobs to keep the economy going.

Both are valid opinions I think.

froog

Captain_Crash wrote: »

Never interrupt your enemy when they’re making mistakes

Or when you've no idea what you're talking about.

FintanMcluskey

Deleted User wrote: »

With all the calls on here for scientific studies that lockdowns wor, which was provided, surely there are studies to show that the cure is worse than the disease?

The peer reviewed study into the cost effectiveness of stay at home orders and business closures has been posted in here many times.

FintanMcluskey

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

The peer reviewed study into the cost effectiveness of stay at home orders and business closures has been posted in here many times.

No is your answer then

FintanMcluskey

Windmill100000 wrote: »

I suppose it depends who you ask. Someone who lost a family member will say they paid the ultimate price and it is unlikely someone out of work will remain that way indefinitely.

Someone out of work may think the cost is great and they are paying more than anyone.

I think we can accept we are not all going to agree.

The general consensus among elderly is we must stay in lockdown because the risk is greater to them. Among the young it is we are the future and we need jobs to keep the economy going.

Both are valid opinions I think.

To be fair those elderly today, did, in the 1950’s isolate for over a year to protect their neighbours from TB. They shut all the dance hall and pubs to prevent the spread of that disease.

Or did they?


https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/culture/heritage/when-the-church-blamed-dances-for-the-spread-of-tuberculosis-in-ireland-1.4161415%3fmode=amp

Archbishop D’Alton wrote, “In regard to the moral issues involved in dancing, I will say nothing except this. If a dance or a dance hall in a particular case is really a proximate occasion of sin, you are bound under pain of sin to avoid it.”

Russman

Windmill100000 wrote: »

I suppose it depends who you ask. Someone who lost a family member will say they paid the ultimate price and it is unlikely someone out of work will remain that way indefinitely.

Someone out of work may think the cost is great and they are paying more than anyone.

I think we can accept we are not all going to agree.

The general consensus among elderly is we must stay in lockdown because the risk is greater to them. Among the young it is we are the future and we need jobs to keep the economy going.

Both are valid opinions I think.

I appreciate there are different points of view, but how does the economy keep going when vast swathes of people are off work sick and the hospital system collapses - both of which are pretty undeniable if things were opened up ?

ypres5

Boggles wrote: »

Donald?

Duck? Sutherland? Tusk?

Windmill100000

Russman wrote: »

I appreciate there are different points of view, but how does the economy keep going when vast swathes of people are off work sick and the hospital system collapses - both of which are pretty undeniable if things were opened up ?

The economy is still going. Yes it's difficult and there are costs, as to be expected. I honestly cant see how anyone can deny that but like recessions when unemployment was high, people did get back on track. It will be interesting to see the unemployment rate when the services industry reopens.

Hopefully that will be soon enough

suicide_circus

Captain_Crash wrote: »

Never interrupt your enemy when they’re making mistakes

Still, probably for the best they're not running the show during this

Russman

Windmill100000 wrote: »

The economy is still going. Yes it's difficult and there are costs, as to be expected. I honestly cant see how anyone can deny that but like recessions when unemployment was high, people did get back on track. It will be interesting to see the unemployment rate when the services industry reopens.

Hopefully that will be soon enough

No, I get what you're saying, I mean if we opened up properly. I mean the health service is on a knife edge even with L5 (or whatever level we're at), if we dropped to L2 it would be carnage.
I know the economy would continue, but even if you had 20% of teachers out sick and/or 20% of doctors & nurses out too, with the knock on effect of that I think you're looking at much worse than we have now where its at least semi-planned.